2017 Draft thread

[a mayes ing]

Maybe we see them playing midfield long term.

It's possible but with Rayner's bad endurance I see it unlikely he is a midfielder. Maybe part time. Forgarty is 180cms isnt he? Would be a small midfielder especially when clubs are looking to the more modern prototypes that are 190 or above

 

[SizeMatters]

It's possible but with Rayner's bad endurance I see it unlikely he is a midfielder. Maybe part time. Forgarty is 180cms isnt he? Would be a small midfielder especially when clubs are looking to the more modern prototypes that are 190 or above

Fogarty will play midfield minutes next year with what ever cub he goes to. Rayner probably not right away... what I'm saying is that they are both suited very much so to midfield roles. We have to think long term not next year.

 

[jackess]

It's possible but with Rayner's bad endurance I see it unlikely he is a midfielder. Maybe part time. Forgarty is 180cms isnt he? Would be a small midfielder especially when clubs are looking to the more modern prototypes that are 190 or above

I think they've given up on this. You need a balance and there aren't Nat Fyfe's coming through the draft every year. Fogarty is taller than the midfielder who has the last 3 best and fairests at our club.

Maybe the professionals at the club believe they can get Rayner to the level of endurance required to play midfield.

 

[jjami15]

The problem l have with grabbing Rayner and his mate Fogarty is that they are both forwards. We need midfielders.

Fogarty plays as a midfielder for Western Jets and actually is a better player for the Jets than Rayner is but I agree with you in that we need mids, mids and more mids.

 

[a mayes ing]

I think they've given up on this. You need a balance and there aren't Nat Fyfe's coming through the draft every year. Fogarty is taller than the midfielder who has the last 3 best and fairests at our club.

Maybe the professionals at the club believe they can get Rayner to the level of endurance required to play midfield.

If they believe he can, then absolutly l would like them to pick him as long as they also think they have no concerns with him leaving after 2 years.

 

[cotter101]

Whilst I'm not on the Rayner bandwagon for a few reasons(mind you, things may have changed and I hope they have), I'll back the club in if they go down that path.

The personnel we have off field is the best we've had in a long time. Keep the faith.

 

[lionshine]

The problem l have with grabbing Rayner and his mate Fogarty is that they are both forwards. We need midfielders.

Lachlan Fogarty is a midfielder with an almost identical body to Zac Merrett's. I actually think Lachie Fogarty will end up being a gun midfielder at AFL level whichever club he ends up at. Underrated big time.

 

[SizeMatters]

Whilst I'm not on the Rayner bandwagon for a few reasons(mind you, things may have changed and I hope they have), I'll back the club in if they go down that path.

I reckon we will take the bloke who likes to enjoy himself out with mates than a bloke who enjoys himself staring up at the ceiling.

 

[bungalow_bill]

The problem l have with grabbing Rayner and his mate Fogarty is that they are both forwards. We need midfielders.

All starts with quality f50 entries. Otherwise as someone else put it the forwards are expensive ornaments

 

[Lions Lions]

The problem l have with grabbing Rayner and his mate Fogarty is that they are both forwards. We need midfielders.

Fogarty and Rayner play midfield and forward, exactly what we need. Players who can seriously play too. I'd be ecstatic if we get both of them and an outside runner with great skill and penetrating accurate kick like O'Brien. ATM I think it's Rayner or Brayshaw at 1. I don't know why people believe you can't build a tank on Rayner, ever heard of a blokes named josh Kennedy or Jobe Watson??? They couldn't run out of sight on a dark night their first two years of AFL, they have had pretty good careers. Total garbage Rayner wouldn't play midfield minutes next year. All the true experts say he will and I believe he'll be a true midfielder by 21. And as for Fogarty he is a ball magnet in the middle. And even if he plays forward, he'll be great rotation in bursts in the middle early on. We need small forwards who lay tackles too and both of those guys are willing and able in that area.

As another poster said , we are not drafting for next year specifically we are drafting for beyond that. We need high quality skilled, tough, fast footballers, who are adaptable
And not just pigeon holed as just on ballers.

 

[carnthemlions]

Fogarty and Rayner play midfield and forward, exactly what we need. Players who can seriously play too. I'd be ecstatic if we get both of them and an outside runner with great skill and penetrating accurate kick like O'Brien. ATM I think it's Rayner or Brayshaw at 1. I don't know why people believe you can't build a tank on Rayner, ever heard of a blokes named josh Kennedy or Jobe Watson??? They couldn't run out of sight on a dark night their first two years of AFL, they have had pretty good careers. Total garbage Rayner wouldn't play midfield minutes next year. All the true experts say he will and I believe he'll be a true midfielder by 21. And as for Fogarty he is a ball magnet in the middle. And even if he plays forward, he'll be great rotation in bursts in the middle early on. We need small forwards who lay tackles too and both of those guys are willing and able in that area.

As another poster said , we are not drafting for next year specifically we are drafting for beyond that. We need high quality skilled, tough, fast footballers, who are adaptable
And not just pigeon holed as just on ballers.

Kennedy and Watson were father/sons drafted in the 3rd round, I doubt many expected them to have great careers at the time. For every player who improves their endurance to the standard required to play midfield, there will always be plenty more who don't.

 

[jackess]

Kennedy and Watson were father/sons drafted in the 3rd round, I doubt many expected them to have great careers at the time. For every player who improves their endurance to the standard required to play midfield, there will always be plenty more who don't.

IIRC Green and Harwood were midfielders when drafted but couldn't get their endurance to anyway near the standard required. Might of been a tassie thing though.

 

[carnthemlions]

IIRC Green and Harwood were midfielders when drafted but couldn't get their endurance to anyway near the standard required. Might of been a tassie thing though.

I like Quigley's assessment of Rayner, especially the last part.

Rayner is the big upside pick. Dusty has been thrown around as the comparison but personally I see a lot of GAJ in his game. He has a low centre of gravity and is powerful through the hips that allows him to keep his feet and get through a contest and tackles with good balance. He reads the contest exceptionally well and moves early to receive and as a consequence is in the right spot at the right time more than others on the ground. Skills are good but not great but he does take good options and so he has hurt factor. He will start up forward and will kick goals. Like GAJ though I think it will be a few years before he makes it in the midfield if he can at all. As has been widely reported he has very poor endurance numbers and at the moment he is an impact player only through the middle of the ground. Can he build his tank to a sufficient level to be a full time AFL midfielder? That is the $64,000,000 question (an allowance for inflation has been thrown in there). There is a very real risk that Rayner ends up being a career small forward like a LeCras who always looks good enough to run through the midfield but just not the capacity to carry it off

 

[jackess]

I like Quigley's assessment of Rayner, especially the last part.

Could well happen. But I'll assume if we draft him it's because we're expecting him to be a midfielder long term.

 

[Comeback Lions]

I wonder how much of Cam Rayner's reputation as the standout number one player in this draft is a result of the media just running the same story over and over again. It's a bit like the group think we occasionally see on this board. Rayner played in a Vic metro team that had 3 easy wins (by 38 pts, 22pts and 67 pts) and a 3 point loss to the Allies. He kicked bags of 1, 3, 5 and 3 for a total of 12 goals and was named in the best players 3 out of 4 times. (To put this in some context Josh Schache kicked 23 goals in the championships a few years earlier). I've watched the game v Vic Country and although he marks well and converts 3 times, he gets excellent delivery from the midfield and fades after half time. A solid rather than a sensational performance.

I realise there's also his TAC cup form, but I'm not convinced that he's miles ahead of the rest of the draft class. He doesn't have the midfield record that others demonstrated at the champs (Brayshaw, Cerra and Higgins have better midfield records in the same team) and as a medium forward his output strikes me as good or very good, but not sensational. Happy for others to disagree with me, but I really hope we don't draft him at 1. I'm not convinced he will become an A grade AFL player that you would want with pick one. He'll be a good forward probably, but a good midfielder is only a maybe IMO.

 

[Berrygood]

Should we take brayshaw at 1, and the more i read the more i like the idea, id be inclined to take his brother hamish as well if he is still available later in the draft. Hamish has overcome the injuries that cursed his draft year last year when highly rated and could really be a gem. Oldest brother Will is based in brisbane with the army so they would be comfortable up here. With andrew and hamish brayshaw, both midfielders, ballenden and payne boosting our tall stocks front and back, we could the look at something different with picks 15 and 18. A small fwd/mid or half fwd, higgins, miers, bonar, fogarty, whoever. It certainly opens up our options.

 

[bungalow_bill]

What time does the draft start?

 

[pulpdriver]

What time does the draft start?

7pm EDST, tv coverage due to stat at 6:30.

 

[jackess]

I'm starting to feel pretty pessimistic about picks 15 and 18. LFogarty seems really handy and a hard worker but not a first rounder in a decent draft. Constable looks pretty average. Like Jansen or Lester.

Hoping pick 1 hangs around and Ballenden and Payne can develop well

 

[jjami15]

I'm starting to feel pretty pessimistic about picks 15 and 18. LFogarty seems really handy and a hard worker but not a first rounder in a decent draft. Constable looks pretty average. Like Jansen or Lester.

Hoping pick 1 hangs around and Ballenden and Payne can develop well

Mate, their just numbers at the moment. At least wait until afterwards to be on a downer.........maybe!

 

[Comeback Lions]

I'm starting to feel pretty pessimistic about picks 15 and 18. LFogarty seems really handy and a hard worker but not a first rounder in a decent draft. Constable looks pretty average. Like Jansen or Lester.

Hoping pick 1 hangs around and Ballenden and Payne can develop well

I don't get Constable... doesn't have the tank to play midfield (7.58 for 2kms) and we really shouldn't take him and Rayner in the same draft. Would much prefer the 2 best midfielders with 1 and 15, then a reach for someone like Griers at 18, who kicked 7 in the TAC cup grand final. Or Worpel or Bailey who have the midfield form. Hopefully the no of people linking us to Constable are wrong.

 

[Crusha]

Should we take brayshaw at 1, and the more i read the more i like the idea, id be inclined to take his brother hamish as well if he is still available later in the draft. Hamish has overcome the injuries that cursed his draft year last year when highly rated and could really be a gem. Oldest brother Will is based in brisbane with the army so they would be comfortable up here. With andrew and hamish brayshaw.......................

Not to mention the extra media coverage the club would get, with the media being unable to avoid continual referencing to the Hamish & Andy Show at Brisbane.

 

[carnthemlions]

I don't get Constable... doesn't have the tank to play midfield (7.58 for 2kms) and we really shouldn't take him and Rayner in the same draft. Would much prefer the 2 best midfielders with 1 and 15, then a reach for someone like Griers at 18, who kicked 7 in the TAC cup grand final. Or Worpel or Bailey who have the midfield form. Hopefully the no of people linking us to Constable are wrong.

I wonder how he'll compare with Patrick Cripps. Cripps dropped for very similar reasons in 2013, but is clearly in the top 5 players from that draft now.

 

[Comeback Lions]

I wonder how he'll compare with Patrick Cripps. Cripps dropped for very similar reasons in 2013, but is clearly in the top 5 players from that draft now.

Interesting. Why did Cripps drop? Perceived tank? Running ability? Speed? Cripps went at 13 from memory and I agree with you about him being top 5 from that draft.

 

[POBT]

My recollection is that Cripps rose in the rankings as the draft got closer, rather than dropped.