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Review 2017 Expectations - Time to reflect

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Mid-year review, where do we expect to be at the end of the H&A season?

  • Top 4

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • Top 8 - Make finals

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • Between 9th and 12th

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • Between 13th and 15th

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Between 16th and 18th

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    16
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JayJ20

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The real stuff starts now that we know who of the banned players remain.

2016 was surprisingly a fun year with just about zero expectations, but 2017 will have to have some expectations. We can finally become a normal club again with real expectations. No threats of suspension. No slagging it out in court. That being said, we cannot afford to have another "settling in" year. It has to be back to normal with expectations. 2016 was the honeymoon (if you can call it that) free hit period, but 2017 has to be the serious discussion back to building for a flag.

So what is realistic? What is a pass and what is a fail?

Looking back, 2015 was really not a representation of where the list actually is. It is very evident that the players just mentally collapsed after the WADA Appeal. People seem to forget that in 2015, the banned players had no preseason. That, coupled with the WADA Appeal and a load of injuries meant that we finished the year off on a massive slide after a promising start. Had a bunch of first year and second year kids playing for us that year, with players like Hooker playing out of position. Still finished 15th. 2014 is probably a better representation of where our list was at.

So now on to 2017, with many of those kids being in their 3rd/4th year and the banned players having a year off (which for some will freshen their bodies up), where should we finish?

To be honest, I would be disappointed if we don't at least give the top 8 a run. We really should be making the 8 if I'm honest. I feel that we've been making too much excuses before the season has even started. Our backline is solid. Our midfield, though with plenty of inexperienced players, is very talented and should be at the very least, serviceable with our hardened bodies to come back and help some of the kids out. Our forward line is obviously our biggest weakness, with the biggest hole in our list being that tall to help take the pressure off Daniher. We've also been by far the most inaccurate side of the competition this year, especially set shots, so we should really be working hard on that all off season. The discovery of Fantasia and the continued improvement of Daniher, Langford and Laverde should increase our potency up forward. Francis can also start showing what he can do.

To me, I really don't see why we cannot at least give it a run, if not make it. Only big concern for me is injuries given that the banned players have had the year off.

Am I being overly optimistic or is this realistic? I have us in the middle bracket, from 7-12. Probably won't be able to compete with the likes of Sydney, GWS and Bulldogs, but can compete with the middle sides in St Kilda, Collingwood, West Coast and Melbourne. The soft draw may even give us the advantage over those sides. We've seen many sides jump from the bottom 4 to the 8, with this year's grand finalist in Bulldogs doing it last year, and West Coast under Worsfold even jumping from wooden spooners to the top 4.

To me, it seems like the next couple of years are the perfect years to capitalise, with Hawthorn, North Melbourne and West Coast looking like sliding out, and teams in a similar stage of development as us in Melbourne and St Kilda looking to come in. The competition is looking even and I think we can use the soft draw to our advantage.
 
It's a tough one. As a list on the whole we're possibly top 8, but there are too many holes to be considered top 4. We have one of the best coaches in the AFL which helps.

I want to say top 8 but realistically it's 9-12
 

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Will be interesting. 15 wins to finish 7th this year so that is a big jump up. No injuries to key players and i would be thinking 12 to 15 wins. A few injuries and it could be a few less and miss the 8.
 
Next year will be as fascinating as this year, given it is effectively Pt. II of an unprecedented situation...with some nice high picks to go with it ;)

Finals would be great, but not 100% we'll get there. Time will tell.
 
We really should have won 5-6 this year. Should have beaten Tigers and Saints ...even Giants, but poor kicking killed us.

When I look at how many we may win next year, you got to ask yourself which other teams are that far in front of us. I mean you would have to give us a pretty good chance against 10-12 teams at least. Is North that scary? Even the Cats...I see absolutely no reason why we can't match it with them. Seriously there are a lot of ordinary teams around.

Natural development in Daniher, Francis, Parish...that's some high end talent. Zaka and even Stanton will no longer have to worry about tags, which they both have struggled with. The suspended players playing with no mental burden of the last four years. Final eight surely has to be our goal. 10 wins minimum.
 
We'll struggle to get out of the bottom 6 unless we have some unbelievable improvement from a few kids and we can get a ready made star from the draft that has a Heppell type year.

You look at the top 8 this year and the only team we can possibly overtake is North. The others look to like they'll be thereabout again.

Out of the 8 you have an improving St Kilda + Carlisle. Melbourne have been steadily improving and could win a few more games. Collingwood have re-invigorated their list over the last 3 years with kids and they may top up looking for Bucks to make finals.

Gold Coast had a horrid injury run and could improve out of sight.

Richmond will add Prestia to the midfield and aren't rebuilding so they'll be no easy kill unless it all collapses early in the year.

Port won 10 games, get Ryder back in and may surprise.

Freo get Fyfe back, Bennell, Sandilands, trade in Mcarthy and they could bounce back up quickly.

Only Brisbane and Carlton will be easy beats and it'll be a dogfight for the rest.
 

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I'm quietly confident we can play finals next year, but won't be shattered if we don't.
So much depends on how the 10 players go with a year out. No doubt some will fair better than others.
I tend to think it will take a little while for the group to gel.
What I really want to see is the players enjoying footy again.
 

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There is a lot of unknowns about next season so I'll be just happy to be able to go into most matches thinking we are some chance of winning if we play well enough.

The soft draw for finishing bottom 6 might not be as soft as people think either, 3 of the other 5 are interstate teams, any interstate game is hard to win no matter who against and the other two are Carlton and Richmond who's matches can throw up suprise results against us.

Hoping we can be in the fight for the 8 come August but who really knows?
 
In a way, I feel like the 2017 season may be a bit like the 2014 season.

There will be an adjustment period for the banned players coming back as they work to a new game plan along with a few positional shifts - much like 2014 where Bomber switched a few players around and went with his high possession game style.

If everything clicks perfectly, I'd expect us to finish in a similar spot to 2014 (i.e. around 7th). However, the realist in me sees us around 9-12th.
 
Who knows? It's pretty much unprecedented in the AFL to have 10 players return from a year off, many of them best 22 and some of them All Australian.

Yes, having the players back gives us a boost, but how well do they come back from their time off? It doesn't even compare especially well with a player missing a year through an ACL injury because that player is still at the club building their understanding of the gameplan.
 

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