Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion Part II

[katmanblue]

15 will go if they can replace them, it's not as clear cut as you think it is.

Finding competent replacements is the issue.

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[Metalcrusher]

i am well aware we have many other tall defenders, but i am sure white plays more a 4th tall, he is a nice size and very good defensively, where as most of our defenders are very attacking, i think if we are talking balance white stays
and if you take a look white is right up there with his efficiency this year, been more efficient than simpson, and i know simmo has been slightly off this year but you cant tell me hes been poor by foot.. i do know what you mean by he does make some poor choices, but i think youll find out of all the boys who are on the cusp of being delisted, white almost is the best of those decision makers, particularly this year

Shit disposal ... has brain fades that cost goals. Other than that, I agree with your post.

 

[Arr0w]

*Hopper should be significantly better than Steele.

At this stage they've shown roughly the same

Hopper has been injured, but is tougher, quicker and a better user of the pill than Steele, would be a bargain for a late first rounder

 

[Metalcrusher]

Hopper, Whitfield and Griffin for pick 3.

 

[Funk]

I would trade between pick 8-12 in this draft for Hopper and 14-18 for Smith. However, not all of Hopper, Smith, Kelly and Whitfield will be leaving the giants and even if they did we are not getting all four. That is just so silly. Can you justify it?

Don't be so dismissive of other posters.

I think most posters here are looking through "blue goggles'" and taking a simplistic view of what players may cost.

SOS's genius is to take the time to understand other clubs desires/problems/contract issues/TPP problems and then come up with a solution that is in our best interest but also solves other clubs problems.

I suspect that Dusty may end up in Sydney.

Both clubs are "in the window" and would love to get a player of Dusty's ilk free of cost re picks/trades.

However both clubs are up to their gills re TPP.

So how can we relieve their TPP problems and get some players bundled for a discount in return.

It seems to me the obvious problems up there are Griffen and Tippett. There are probably others.

If you were Sydney and could get Tippett off your books so you could free up $ to get Dusty for nothing (as FA) would you do it?

In the blink of an eye!!!

So say we take Tippett and Zac Jones for pick 35 - sounds stupid initially but Sydney may be very happy with this.

Or maybe Griffen/Hopper for pick 30 so GWS can get Dusty for free.

SOS will not be doing straight forward deals - he will be most definitely be scheming up a plan!!!!!

 

[Funk]

Hopper, Whitfield and Griffin for pick 3.

Looks more like pick 2 after NM winning today.

Will be (pleasantly) surprised if we win another game.

 

[Soapy V]

Last year we made 13 list changes in the middle of a rebuild and we were able to replace them and most would agree we have a much improved list.

The Grand Finalists in Sydney & Western Bulldogs made 9 and 7 and these were the top 2 sides. Hawks made 11, Geelong 13 and GWS made 10. All finalists

We are still a bottom 2 or 3 side with some exciting young talent but still carry a lot of players that simply aren't going to help us or make us better. Still a lot of changes to go. 15 changes may be a stretch but 10-12 would not surprise at all. Actually think it's reality

 

[Iamcarlton]

Looks more like pick 2 after NM winning today.

Will be (pleasantly) surprised if we win another game.

Unfortunately pick 1 is looming for us

 

[Jimmae]

Hopper is significantly better than Steele

Saints overpaid for Steele, and we'll be doing them favours as part of any trade, so it should still be around a 2nd rounder in net value.

 

[Arr0w]

Saints overpaid for Steele, and we'll be doing them favours as part of any trade, so it should still be around a 2nd rounder in net value.

Not sure about that Jim, I rate Hopper better than Mills as a midfielder, so personally, I still rate him as a late ish 1st rounder.

 

[Foucault1989]

Don't be so dismissive of other posters.

I think most posters here are looking through "blue goggles'" and taking a simplistic view of what players may cost.

SOS's genius is to take the time to understand other clubs desires/problems/contract issues/TPP problems and then come up with a solution that is in our best interest but also solves other clubs problems.

I suspect that Dusty may end up in Sydney.

Both clubs are "in the window" and would love to get a player of Dusty's ilk free of cost re picks/trades.

However both clubs are up to their gills re TPP.

So how can we relieve their TPP problems and get some players bundled for a discount in return.

It seems to me the obvious problems up there are Griffen and Tippett. There are probably others.

If you were Sydney and could get Tippett off your books so you could free up $ to get Dusty for nothing (as FA) would you do it?

In the blink of an eye!!!

So say we take Tippett and Zac Jones for pick 35 - sounds stupid initially but Sydney may be very happy with this.

Or maybe Griffen/Hopper for pick 30 so GWS can get Dusty for free.

SOS will not be doing straight forward deals - he will be most definitely be scheming up a plan!!!!!

I read the north board and laugh at how unrealistic and ridiculous their hypothetical trade scenarios are and then you read this. I'm sorry but what that poster was putting forward was beyond a joke.

Certainly we can be better than this

 

[Zlatan]

i agree, he has been very solid in almost every game he has played, a steady head in the defence, very good depth player, can see another 1-3 years in him, alot of others to delist before white, rare he does much wrong

Another 1-3 years of what he's dishing up right now? Steady head? Good depth player?

Hahahahhaaahahahahahahahahh

 

[BlueJet]

*Hopper should be significantly better than Steele.

At this stage they've shown roughly the same

Not really, Hopper despite being younger and having been injured has still played more quality games of senior footy than Steele.
Your trade isn't that bad but doesn't account for the fact that Hopper comes with big wraps, as such a second rounder in a reportedly poor draft wouldn't be sufficient imo.

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[NumberEight]

Honestly hope we stick with the plan and keep all our draft picks. Bugger trading for high price guns. We are miles off it still.

 

[reubsblues]

Honestly hope we stick with the plan and keep all our draft picks. Bugger trading for high price guns. We are miles off it still.

I think so as good as kelly is we hav to keep our picks and if gibbs and Casboult go we keep those picks

 

[Red Bull]

Well , I'd say there's a good chance we will lose the remaining 4 games and quite possibly by heavy margins .
That would put us right in the frame for the wooden spoon .
History tells us that the 1st pick in the draft has only been traded once so , if we take it to the draft who do we select ?

 

[G-TRAIN07]

Well , I'd say there's a good chance we will lose the remaining 4 games and quite possibly by heavy margins .
That would put us right in the frame for the wooden spoon .
History tells us that the 1st pick in the draft has only been traded once so , if we take it to the draft who do we select ?

Cameron Rayner

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Brett Anderson (SEN draft analyst) stated that as a junior Charlie reminded him of Roughie

Me too
But more X factor

 

[Arr0w]

Cameron Rayner

Huge x-factor, but if we are screaming for midfielders, he is not it

 

[My name geoff]

PSD looms large.. extra leverage in potential Kelly trade

Pick 1 > GWS (Kelly)
Gibbs > pick 16, pick 34 > Hopper, Balic
Casboult > Castagna
Byrne > Bris 2nd rnd pick> Redpath
2018 1st + 2017 3rd > Whitfield + 2017 2nd

FA > Dureya

Out: 2017 Pick 1, Gibbs, Casboult, Byrne, 2018 1st, 2017 3rd

In: Hopper, Balic, Castagna, Redpath, Kelly, Whitfield, Dureya, 2017 2nd

Dureya Jones Plowman
Docherty Marchbank Simpson
Murphy Cripps Whitfield
SPS Redpath Curnow
Silvagni McKay Castagna

Kruezer Kelly Hopper

Ed Cuningham Weitering Wright

Northern:

Silvagni Rowe Williamson
Smedts Macreadie Penrith
Pickett Balic Thomas
Lamb Kerr Sumner
Polson Jacksh Graham

Phillips Fisher Kerridge

Korchek JGM Hickott

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I have it on good authority we're going to be recruiting a couple of tall defenders and a couple of small mids
Plus a deal for a gws 'almost', but must take another with a salary dump also

 

[Arr0w]

I have it on good authority we're going to be recruiting a couple of tall defenders and a couple of small mids
Plus a deal for a gws 'almost', but must take another with a salary dump also

First 2 sounds bewildering given we have more than enough tallish options and I would have thought we have enough smalls on the list already

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Kidding

 

[Mr_Plow]

Don't worry THS.
SOS knows what he has to do this off-season, he's known all along.

Quality talls are a rare and priceless commodity in this game, Collingwood supporters know this, they are extremely jealous of us having Curnow and McKay for the next 12 years, to go with Weitering and Marchbank at the other end.

It's population dynamics, there are relatively less people 195cm+, hence there are less talented athletes 195cm+ and obviously less elite AFL-level footballers 195cm+.

First you get the KPPs, then you get the mids, then you get the premierships.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I doubt SOS will part with our 1st pick this year or next

Im certain he will for kelly