2017 trade/draft thread

[Miguel Sanchez]

Then you spin it: approach st kilda and say, listen gaff isnt on the market, but........you give us pick 7 and your next pick after pick 8 and we would think seriously about it

I think you've completely missed my point.

I can't recall any club in the last decade or more doing well out of a trade where they initiated it by actively shopping a quality player.

Your solution to that is to nudge St Kilda in the ribs and wink and say "We're not actively shopping Gaff, but..."

 

[Bender_]

Trade Naitanui, Shuey, McGovern, Yeo, Kennedy and Gaff for all the first rounders. Then keep the new first rounders on the list for 3 years, then trade them for all the first rounders again.

We might never challenge, but we will look proactive at hunting talent.

 

[Godfather32]

I think you've completely missed my point.

I can't recall any club in the last decade or more doing well out of a trade where they initiated it by actively shopping a quality player.

Your solution to that is to nudge St Kilda in the ribs and wink and say "We're not actively shopping Gaff, but..."

This, if we're the ones doing the asking we're not going to get good value for Gaff. If someone was actively chasing him and were keen enough to offer up something decent then it might have been worth considering.

 

[Godfather32]

Trade Naitanui, Shuey, McGovern, Yeo, Kennedy and Gaff for all the first rounders. Then keep the new first rounders on the list for 3 years, then trade them for all the first rounders again.

We might never challenge, but we will look proactive at hunting talent.

If we did that who would we play though? We wouldn't have enough over-25s to maintain our lists average age.

 

[Bender_]

If we did that who would we play though? We wouldn't have enough over-25s to maintain our lists average age.

FIRST ROUNDERS!!!1!1!!

 

[Godfather32]

FIRST ROUNDERS!!!1!1!!

Oh well why didn't you just say so?
Also we should trade Lycett for Cameron.

 

[The wily weagle]

I think you've completely missed my point.

I can't recall any club in the last decade or more doing well out of a trade where they initiated it by actively shopping a quality player.

Your solution to that is to nudge St Kilda in the ribs and wink and say "We're not actively shopping Gaff, but..."

The alternative is to sit on our hands and do nothing.

And the only possible outcome from doing nothing, is nothing happening.

Sure, it mighy not work shopping gaff, but could it hurt to try? Hes still contracted so worst case scenario we have him next season. Hell, the st kilda list manager actually made enquiries to the club about gaff, so It really should be an easy sell.

It all comes down to are we as a club content to take a single pick in the top 30 in this years draft, or do we seriously want to rejuvenate our list via the draft?

Personally, i think we would be better putting him on the table "unofficially"

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The alternative is to sit on our hands and do nothing.

And the only possible outcome from doing nothing, is nothing happening.

Sure, it mighy not work shopping gaff, but could it hurt to try? Hes still contracted so worst case scenario we have him next season. Hell, the st kilda list manager actually made enquiries to the club about gaff, so It really should be an easy sell.

It all comes down to are we as a club content to take a single pick in the top 30 in this years draft, or do we seriously want to rejuvenate our list via the draft?

Personally, i think we would be better putting him on the table "unofficially"

Yes, it could hurt. There's plenty of examples of teams shopping players who've then become disgruntled and left, and the team then getting bugger all value for them. Bradshaw and Rischitelli at Brisbane, Lewis last year, now Stringer.

What there aren't any examples of, and I've now said this at least three times without you countering with one, are examples of clubs shopping qualiity players and doing well out of it.

I'm all for trading up in the draft, even though it's reportedly pretty weak, but not by pushing players out the door when they don't want to go. Officially or unofficially.

 

[Godfather32]

The alternative is to sit on our hands and do nothing.

And the only possible outcome from doing nothing, is nothing happening.

Sure, it mighy not work shopping gaff, but could it hurt to try? Hes still contracted so worst case scenario we have him next season. Hell, the st kilda list manager actually made enquiries to the club about gaff, so It really should be an easy sell.

It all comes down to are we as a club content to take a single pick in the top 30 in this years draft, or do we seriously want to rejuvenate our list via the draft?

Personally, i think we would be better putting him on the table "unofficially"

I'm not against trading Gaff as long as we get something decent out of it.
That being said we haven't exactly sat around doing nothing, we've moved on two of the slowest midfielders in the league, I think people are seriously underestimating how much that will change our team. There's no point trading out Gaff for unders, it won't improve our team and is just change for the sake of change. Other teams are well aware of Gaff's contract status, if they want him they'll ask and put the feelers out to his manager.

 

[mezaire]

So just watched Kelly's highlights, seems bloody amazing. Is he as good as his highlights seem?
If so how great an addition to our midfield goung fwd would he and Hunter Clark be??!!

 

[Biggie]

FIRST ROUNDERS!!!1!1!!

I remember last draft season it was all about SECOND ROUNDERS!!

Those were the days.

 

[tigger_ferret]

The alternative is to sit on our hands and do nothing.

And the only possible outcome from doing nothing, is nothing happening.

Sure, it mighy not work shopping gaff, but could it hurt to try? Hes still contracted so worst case scenario we have him next season. Hell, the st kilda list manager actually made enquiries to the club about gaff, so It really should be an easy sell.

It all comes down to are we as a club content to take a single pick in the top 30 in this years draft, or do we seriously want to rejuvenate our list via the draft?

Personally, i think we would be better putting him on the table "unofficially"

This is possibly even worse than "officially" saying you are open to trades. Creates rumours and bullshit poor culture, that no amount of high draft picks fixes.

In more interesting news than anything that has happened this trade period. I had subway for lunch today

 

[new breed]

So just watched Kelly's highlights, seems bloody amazing. Is he as good as his highlights seem?
If so how great an addition to our midfield goung fwd would he and Hunter Clark be??!!

In comparison I think Kelly is a better player then our fringe Eagles at EP by a fair margin ATM .

I believe Mutimer Snadden Partington Nelson Cole can play AFL but Kelly looks a step up in standard whether that transfers to AFL is the question maybe our fringe Eagle players suffer in playing for a lower ranked team compared to Kelly at SF where Kelly has plenty of good players around him . Would Kelly look as good at EP im not sure he would .

 

[Carbine Chaos]

In comparison I think Kelly is a better player then our fringe Eagles at EP by a fair margin ATM .

I believe Mutimer Snadden Partington Nelson Cole can play AFL but Kelly looks a step up in standard whether that transfers to AFL is the question maybe our fringe Eagle players suffer in playing for a lower ranked team compared to Kelly at SF where Kelly has plenty of good players around him . Would Kelly look as good at EP im not sure he would .

How many EP players have the weapons in their game Kelly has? Maybe Venables, that's about it. Kelly easily a better prospect than Mutimer, Snadden, Partington, Nelson...Cole is the one of that group I think could be quite good.

 

[Godfather32]

How many EP players have the weapons in their game Kelly has? Maybe Venables, that's about it. Kelly easily a better prospect than Mutimer, Snadden, Partington, Nelson...Cole is the one of that group I think could be quite good.

I really hope we don't waste him playing on a HBF in the WAFL for most of next year

 

[Dark Sharks]

Would McGovern and our first be enough for Ryan Griffen?

Discuss.

 

[Nev57]

What would Adelaide want for Cameron? Would a second rounder get it done?

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[Godfather32]

Would McGovern and our first be enough for Ryan Griffen?

Discuss.

I would do that if we could add Coniglio and Kelly. And then drop Griffen.

 

[new breed]

Would McGovern and our first be enough for Ryan Griffen?

Discuss.

Jonathon Griffin god no ....

 

[Mulldogg]

People havent actually taken this seriously have they?

Exactly, sounds like one of the biggest gee ups of all time...

 

[Mulldogg]

http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2017-10-12/eagles-poised-for-midfield-reboot



Great stuff to hear from our list manager.

Would it be possible to pick up all 3? Kelly looks like he won't last until the third round, so we'll have to use our second, while I wouldn't bank on Ryan being there in the rookie draft.

I guess it could be a choice between Schloithe and Ryan at our fourth.

Zero interest in Schloithe. Limited interest in Ryan given the number of baths Nyhuis has given him; will be found out against AFL quality defenders.


Tim Kelly though definitely should be brought into the club. Has all the right tools and could pretty much walk into our 18 in round 1 next year.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Trade Naitanui, Shuey, McGovern, Yeo, Kennedy and Gaff for all the first rounders. Then keep the new first rounders on the list for 3 years, then trade them for all the first rounders again.

We might never challenge, but we will look proactive at hunting talent.

So just copy GWS??

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Zero interest in Schloithe. Limited interest in Ryan given the number of baths Nyhuis has given him; will be found out against AFL quality defenders.


Tim Kelly though definitely should be brought into the club. Has all the right tools and could pretty much walk into our 18 in round 1 next year.

Would be interested in hearing why you (and others, tbf) immediately dismiss Schloithe as an option. Yes, a bit of a ducker, but I rate his mongrel, can kick a goal and seems pretty decent by foot whenever I watch him.

Also re: Ryan I feel he would benefit from an AFL standard forward line around him, as the Peel defenders (rightly) often double teamed him. He wouldn't get that treatment at AFL level.

 

[sey666]

Thats precisely what i mean, there are none. We should be trading gaff to get into this draft, immediately. If he decides to depart next year to victoria as a free agent we are screwed

I see - when you said we have to start trading players with currency I thought we had a few. BTW we won't be screwed if Gaff leaves as a RFA. Didn't we get a second round pick for Scot Selwood? As a RFA Gaff would get a big enough contract which should ensure us a first round compo pick next year - I guess you would have to wait another year to get two first round picks. BTW only Brisbane, St Kilda, Adelaide and Richmond have 2 first round picks, the other 13 are in the same boat as us.

 

[Obeanie1]

What is interesting is comparing the Eagles to the Crows.

It has become quite the talking point how for some reason the Crows continue to lose top end talent. The other side to this is they seem to end up with multiple 1st round picks and replenish via the draft.

We seem to be the opposite. We really dont lose top talent back to Victoria and seem able to hold onto our interstate recruits.

So who would you rather be?