2018 Draft thread

[KissKiss]

While I understand they may loss Lynch - it blows my mind that May would walk as well. To lose both captains in one go is just a disaster

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I did the ladder predictor and had us finishing 16th a game below the Saints. I don't think the Suns will win another game. I tipped Carlton to beat the Suns and no other games and we beat the Suns and Carlton. We could jump the Saints if we win another upset.

Doing the ladder predictor myself, I ended up with what I expected - Carlton 16th, us 17th, Gold Coast last. Carlton have really impressed me the last few weeks, and I think they're set for a strong end to the year with that fixture. They are a year ahead of us in terms of their rebuild and I expect that to start to show.

Ultimately I think the QClash in a month's time may well decide the wooden spoon.

 

[jackess]

Doing the ladder predictor myself, I ended up with what I expected - Carlton 16th, us 17th, Gold Coast last. Carlton have really impressed me the last few weeks, and I think they're set for a strong end to the year with that fixture. They are a year ahead of us in terms of their rebuild and I expect that to start to show.

Ultimately I think the QClash in a month's time may well decide the wooden spoon.

Getting Murphy back is huge and if Marchbank and Kreuzer can finish the year strongly it'll be a great help for them but they just don't have the forward line to kick a decent total or a backline and midfield to keep an opponent to a small total.

They've kicked over 80 points twice in 14 games. We have 8 times. I can't see them winning 2 more games than us.

 

[BRAB]

Doing the ladder predictor myself, I ended up with what I expected - Carlton 16th, us 17th, Gold Coast last. Carlton have really impressed me the last few weeks, and I think they're set for a strong end to the year with that fixture. They are a year ahead of us in terms of their rebuild and I expect that to start to show.

Ultimately I think the QClash in a month's time may well decide the wooden spoon.

Do you have us winning on the weekend in these predictions?

 

[Tom14]

Do you have us winning on the weekend in these predictions?

If we win on the weekend I see no chance of carlton being ahead of us - we have a 20% lead on them already which would increase and we would be two wins ahead. Even if we don't beat them I don't rate their chances in many of their remaining games either.

After the weekend Carlton have St Kilda, Hawthorn, Gold Coast, GWS, Freo (in perth and possibly with Fyfe back), the bulldogs and Adelaide. Hawthorn, GWS and Adelaide are all fighting for the 8 and St Kilda and the dogs have been significantly more impressive than Carlton in the last few weeks. Carlton has done well to stem the bleeding but prior to that Freo pumped them by 70 odd points.

Basically, I'd say the only chance Carlton finish ahead of us is if we don't win another game (including against the suns) and they beat us and Gold coast. I'd say there is a better chance that we beat them and gold coast than them winning against St Kilda and say the bulldogs. I also think there is just as good a chance we can pinch another win somewhere as them doing so.

Carlton may be a 'year ahead' in their rebuild but even assuming they are better than us (which I dispute) they have a far more significant injury list and have scored over 80 points twice. That isn't a recipe for them to win any more than a couple of their remaining games.

 

[Tom14]

Getting Murphy back is huge and if Marchbank and Kreuzer can finish the year strongly it'll be a great help for them but they just don't have the forward line to kick a decent total or a backline and midfield to keep an opponent to a small total.

They've kicked over 80 points twice in 14 games. We have 8 times. I can't see them winning 2 more games than us.

Marchbank isn't likely to be back until the week after next either (there is a VFL bye for them next weekend so he won't have a chance to get any match fitness there).

 

[Comeback Lions]

Good to see, as long as he gets past our 2nd round selection (Thomas Berry).

Fantastic that our academy has developed a big bodied midfielder.

Not sure why you think Berry is a better option than McFadyen? Bit of a romantic selection because he's Jarrod's brother, perhaps. Berry couldn't get a run in the midfield in the weakest team in the champs. I'd say Berry's not a high second round pick as it stands now. But sure, if he shows something in the rest of the TAC cup he could rise. It's a pretty good achievement to make all Australian though and Connor has AFL attributes imo.

 

[Lazza16]

Why not take Rankine and Faganise him....let's face it....who wants to live in Adelaide? (only crazy anti Voss wingmen) Mayes doesn't...he has seen the light.

Not even Zac wants to live in Adelaide

 

[briztoon]

At the absolute tops we will finish 15th so assuming the Suns get band 1 for Lynch that would mean pick 5 for us.

IMO we still end up with one of Jack Lukosius, Sam Walsh, Bailey Smith or Izak Rankine. The King twins are very highly rated on all draft boards I have seen, you would think one of the Blues, Suns or Saints would at least take one of them.

Not sure if it’s mentioned in the next 3 pages, but Max King is rehabbing at St Kilda.

 

[M Malice]

Not sure why you think Berry is a better option than McFadyen? Bit of a romantic selection because he's Jarrod's brother, perhaps. Berry couldn't get a run in the midfield in the weakest team in the champs. I'd say Berry's not a high second round pick as it stands now. But sure, if he shows something in the rest of the TAC cup he could rise. It's a pretty good achievement to make all Australian though and Connor has AFL attributes imo.

From the stuff I have read and the vision I have seen albeit small I like Berry over McFadyen. My comment was more about getting another open draft player in before having to match an academy bid, could be Berry but another option would be good as well. A couple of pundits on the DT&FA board have Thomas Berry rated pretty highly (around the 20 mark) and have been dumbfounded as to why he has been played out of position at the championships.

 

[M Malice]

Not even Zac wants to live in Adelaide

I lived what seemed a lifetime one weekend in Adelaide earlier this year.

 

[Tim F]

In what world is Carlton’s list more advanced then ours I’d argue that all day long. Apart from Curnow and Cripps
Who is going to be banged up by the time he is 25 I don’t see any of there playees better then ours if you put them head to head. I’d take Andrews over Weitering everyday of the week Rayner over Dow and McCluggage and berry over sps and Kennedy. Go go on but I think when both these teams are in the frame I’d back ya to beat them on most occasions.

 

[Comeback Lions]

From the stuff I have read and the vision I have seen albeit small I like Berry over McFadyen. My comment was more about getting another open draft player in before having to match an academy bid, could be Berry but another option would be good as well. A couple of pundits on the DT&FA board have Thomas Berry rated pretty highly (around the 20 mark) and have been dumbfounded as to why he has been played out of position at the championships.

Fair enough. It would be good to get McFadyen later as you say. My gut feeling is that there'll be some pretty elite talent around at the beginning of the 2nd round, which is great for us.

 

[spotthedog1]

Doing the ladder predictor myself, I ended up with what I expected - Carlton 16th, us 17th, Gold Coast last. Carlton have really impressed me the last few weeks, and I think they're set for a strong end to the year with that fixture. They are a year ahead of us in terms of their rebuild and I expect that to start to show.

Ultimately I think the QClash in a month's time may well decide the wooden spoon.

I'm with you in this one. Over on the preview thread, there are discussions about when the last time we had a 100+ point victory was, as though we're in with a chance for one this week. I might be a little more skeptical. To be honest, I don't like the leadup to this. We haven't played well after a win in a long time and haven't played well against lower opposition all year.

Carlton have had poor results, but really, in hindsight, they didn't have an easy draw early in the year. But they pushed the Tigers, Pies and Eagles, and weren't far off against the Power last week. They had a big loss early against the Roos, which at the time looked laughable, but in hindsight looks a lot more understandable. They've had a few lapses this year, sure, but they've also put together some good passages.

I have the Blues in with a decent chance for wins against Lions, Saints, Suns, Dockers, and Dogs. Plus, if the last round is against an injury-ravaged and eliminated Crows, and the Blues need to win to avoid the spoon, I wouldn't be betting against them. Their only other games are the Hawks and Giants, neither of whom have been setting the world on fire. Really, you wouldn't say that they have a single game left against a premiership contender. I'm not saying they're in finals contention, but I could easily see them stealing another 3 wins out of that pile.

 

[TheHairyGamer]

I'm with you in this one. Over on the preview thread, there are discussions about when the last time we had a 100+ point victory was, as though we're in with a chance for one this week. I might be a little more skeptical. To be honest, I don't like the leadup to this. We haven't played well after a win in a long time and haven't played well against lower opposition all year.

Carlton have had poor results, but really, in hindsight, they didn't have an easy draw early in the year. But they pushed the Tigers, Pies and Eagles, and weren't far off against the Power last week. They had a big loss early against the Roos, which at the time looked laughable, but in hindsight looks a lot more understandable. They've had a few lapses this year, sure, but they've also put together some good passages.

I have the Blues in with a decent chance for wins against Lions, Saints, Suns, Dockers, and Dogs. Plus, if the last round is against an injury-ravaged and eliminated Crows, and the Blues need to win to avoid the spoon, I wouldn't be betting against them. Their only other games are the Hawks and Giants, neither of whom have been setting the world on fire. Really, you wouldn't say that they have a single game left against a premiership contender. I'm not saying they're in finals contention, but I could easily see them stealing another 3 wins out of that pile.

Absolutely. I hope I am wrong but I just have a bad feeling about this week. We are meant to win. Haven't been in that position for a while. Plus the 6 day break from Perth is NEVER an easy task.

Carlton could beat us, GC and St.Kilda quite easily for sure. At least they are all 50/50 games.

 

[dlanod]

We haven't played well after a win in a long time and haven't played well against lower opposition all year.

The last time we've won successive games were Rounds 6 and 7, 2015.

 

[spotthedog1]

In what world is Carlton’s list more advanced then ours I’d argue that all day long. Apart from Curnow and Cripps
Who is going to be banged up by the time he is 25 I don’t see any of there playees better then ours if you put them head to head. I’d take Andrews over Weitering everyday of the week Rayner over Dow and McCluggage and berry over sps and Kennedy. Go go on but I think when both these teams are in the frame I’d back ya to beat them on most occasions.

I also have them ahead of us in the rebuild. We have some very promising potential A Graders. So do they. I'd have them having better B Graders than us though, and they'll have an easier time luring talent from other teams, simply because they're in Melbourne. I can imagine a similar conversation on the Carlton board...

In what world is Brisbane's list more advanced then ours I’d argue that all day long. Apart from Zorko and Beams, who is already banged up
I don’t see any of there playees better then ours if you put them head to head. I’d take Weitering over Hipwood everyday of the week SPS over Cameron and Casboult over McStay Docherty over Witherden Kennedy over Mathieson Cripps over Rayner. Go go on but I think when both these teams are in the frame I’d back ya to beat them on most occasions.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

Part of our development is that we carry the favourites tag and win on Saturday comfortably. I recon Carlton will be fair sh&tting themselves after our performance last weekend and what we did to Hawthorne a few weeks ago.

 

[mpal6]

The group is starting to believe. We'll beat both Carlton and Gold Coast.
If that means pick 4 (including Lynch compo), so be it.

I want to beat the rest of the pricks as well - Hawks, Adelaide, Geelong, North and bloody Pies. Beat 'em all, stuff up their season.

 

[Nunez]

I'd argue we played well against Sydney after beating the Hawks.

Definitely a danger game and one I'm very worried about. It's an important game for our culture and confidence.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

I hope Berry tags Cripps. Last year Rocky tagged Gibbs and it was a key element in our victory. I don't quite understand why fages waited to round 15 before putting someone on the opposition best player? What changed between the previous 14 rounds and round 15? I don't say do it every week but if it helps get a win then why wouldn't you?

 

[jackess]

I hope Berry tags Cripps. Last year Rocky tagged Gibbs and it was a key element in our victory. I don't quite understand why fages waited to round 15 before putting someone on the opposition best player? What changed between the previous 14 rounds and round 15? I don't say do it every week but if it helps get a win then why wouldn't you?

Berry has often played a defensive role like last week but it's not as tight as a tag.

 

[M Malice]

I hope Berry tags Cripps. Last year Rocky tagged Gibbs and it was a key element in our victory. I don't quite understand why fages waited to round 15 before putting someone on the opposition best player? What changed between the previous 14 rounds and round 15? I don't say do it every week but if it helps get a win then why wouldn't you?

Fagan said in his presser that the Berry tag on Fyfe then Neale was more about his development as a player than that particular game IIRC.

 

[Hole in bucket]

CJ named on bench of All Australian Under 18's.

Given this is his first pre season due to cricket he will be a steal in the second round.

 

[M Malice]

I'm with you in this one. Over on the preview thread, there are discussions about when the last time we had a 100+ point victory was, as though we're in with a chance for one this week. I might be a little more skeptical. To be honest, I don't like the leadup to this. We haven't played well after a win in a long time and haven't played well against lower opposition all year.

Carlton have had poor results, but really, in hindsight, they didn't have an easy draw early in the year. But they pushed the Tigers, Pies and Eagles, and weren't far off against the Power last week. They had a big loss early against the Roos, which at the time looked laughable, but in hindsight looks a lot more understandable. They've had a few lapses this year, sure, but they've also put together some good passages.

I have the Blues in with a decent chance for wins against Lions, Saints, Suns, Dockers, and Dogs. Plus, if the last round is against an injury-ravaged and eliminated Crows, and the Blues need to win to avoid the spoon, I wouldn't be betting against them. Their only other games are the Hawks and Giants, neither of whom have been setting the world on fire. Really, you wouldn't say that they have a single game left against a premiership contender. I'm not saying they're in finals contention, but I could easily see them stealing another 3 wins out of that pile.

I'll take responsibility for the talk about a 100+ point win in the preview thread, it was with tongue firmly implanted in cheek though, 12 goal+ would be fine.