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List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread
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If I was in any doubt that I was there, this confirms my journey
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I couldn’t help myself. He’s cut & paste straight from Warner, Barrett and other Melb flog journos.
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Link please. Time to piss on Knightmare's Doerre!
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-draft-almanac.1188131/page-116#post-58713525
Thats exactly how it reads. I do question how many people watched us rounds 1-5 with a somewhat healthy squad. People just look at how we finished the year with our what 26 available players and think thats the best of what we had and that Lynch/May/Hall/Kk were in our best players/playing those games.
Not that anything is going to change his mind on this until next season comes around. He seems firmly entrenched in his views.
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Roger that. Loading torpedoes...
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Exactly, I had a look back at the stats from the Swans win and from what I can recall except for May camping himself on the goal line in the last quarter none of the blokes who left (and Jack Martin) contributed to the win.
I was going to relay this to Knightmare but then I moved on with my life.
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Yeah read that yesterday. If you’re already depressed about the state of our list, DO NOT GO THERE!!! If his assessment is even vaguely correct, we have to shut up shop now. Absolutely went to town on us.
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As someone who’s loved various NRL, NBL and Soccer teams on the GC and experienced the pain of seeing teams be killed off by administrators I cannot tell you how much I despise the term “shut up shop” especially from a fellow supporter.
I implore you and everyone else to not use phrases like that.
Because the pain of it actually happening is very high.
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I think 17er posted quite a good response to it.....
Yep what 17er did in there is what we all need and want from the great man. That’s how to use your skills 17er for our great city.
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Knightmare talks like he knows shit.
He might know about junior footy - I don’t so can’t really compare.
His evaluation of nba, however, is so far from reality it’s a joke. He talks like he knows something though.
I know he was strong on Jarryd Lyons as our best player so imagine that had something to do with this rant. Will have to check it out.
He might know about junior footy - I don’t so can’t really compare.
His evaluation of nba, however, is so far from reality it’s a joke. He talks like he knows something though.
I know he was strong on Jarryd Lyons as our best player so imagine that had something to do with this rant. Will have to check it out.
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Agreed, it was a perfect response 17er. It would be the perfect revenge if our band of misfits hungry for a second chance and success dominated the competition next year.
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Got a reply from Knightmare. He agrees that the incumbent Best 22 I put up is our best team, except he'd put Crossley in there - my Depth Chart has Crossley in there too.
However, he rated Lyons and Hall among our 4 best players, the others being Lynch and May, while he believes that Nicholls is among the only 8 "good" players left on our list. I think Chris Doerre is a pen name for Scott Clayton. Flawed genius.
However, he rated Lyons and Hall among our 4 best players, the others being Lynch and May, while he believes that Nicholls is among the only 8 "good" players left on our list. I think Chris Doerre is a pen name for Scott Clayton. Flawed genius.
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Geez Bods it was a figure of speech. Calm down man. Clearly used sarcastically towards a ridiculous and hysterical assessment of our club. There is next to no chance of the AFL shutting us down. Their determination to make the Suns a success is matched only by their arrogance in all things Victorian. We aren’t going anywhere. The AFL is cashed up to the eyeballs and will continue to pump $$$ into Queensland and NSW until we can stand on our own two feet. The TV rights depend on our existence. There’ll be about 4.4m people living in SEQ by 2031, with 5.5m by 2051. They can’t ignore that market. Conversely, Tasmania, the state where a lot of anti-Suns supporters want a team. aims to increase its population to just 650k by 2050. The AFL might be arrogant, but they’re not stupid.
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Wouldn’t have Crossley in our best 22 just yet. May and Lynch would’ve been in our best 4 players, but not Lyons and Hall. As for Nicholls. Clearly doesn’t watch a lot of our games.
On Goober, I recently commented on a phantom that had us picking Bailey Williams at #24 and rubbished it, because I want more mids. However after watching some more of Bailey he reminds me of a more athletic and skilled version of Goober. A hard at it forward/Ruck who is very physically developed already. Wouldn’t be a bad pick at all if he makes it to the late twenties.
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Also unclear on what the Nicholls assessment is based on. Before witts I thought we looked the best when Charlie Dixon was in the middle. Far more likely to get a clearance than when Nicholls or smith were rucking,
yes that assessment of hall as one of our best 4 players was comical. Classical example of a guy who does flashy things on tv but overall is not a positive.
Also unclear on what the Nicholls assessment is based on. Before witts I thought we looked the best when Charlie Dixon was in the middle. Far more likely to get a clearance than when Nicholls or smith were rucking,
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Yeah sounds exactly like something someone who doesn’t watch Suns footy would say, which is fairly obvious given his opinions.
To be fair to him, once he forms an opinion he sticks with it and doesn’t seem to change it again, aka Hall top 4 players, the rating of Nicholls, his love of Crossley, etc.
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Guys...…..and there it is - The TV rights depend on our existence..... there is some crazy extra dough that the AFL got because of us and GWS so the truth is they will find a way to make us relevant and the money they throw at us is a drop in the bucket compared to what their TV rights upside is, we are not going anywhere. The grass roots of junior AFL here in QLD is also firing which is extremely important to them as well...…..finally as a Tassie born and bred AFL lover I would love to see them get a team but I fear they would really struggle to get corporate ongoing dollars to sustain them
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In Knightmares responses he suggested seeing how many of the suns would fit into the best 22 of some of the top flight teams.
For interest I had a look at West Coasts grand final team (and made some changes to reflect my assessment of their best 22 fully fit)
Ryan Kennedy Lycett
Cripps Darling Lecras
Sheed Yeo Gaff
Sheppard Mcgovern Jetta
Cole Barrass Hurn
R: Naitanui Shuey Redden
I: Hutchings Rioli Duggan Schofield
From GF team
Naitanui, Sheppard + Gaff in
Vardy, Masten + Venables out
The suns to make this team in my opinion now bolded below
Martin Kennedy Lycett
Cripps Darling Lecras
Sheed Yeo Gaff
Sheppard Mcgovern Jetta
Harbrow Barrass Hurn
R: Naitanui Shuey Redden
I: Swallow Rioli Weller Schofield
Possibilities
- Fiorini / Sexton in for Sheed as a winger
- Thompson is a better player than Schofield but lacks the versatility of Schofield. Probably on par with Barrass.
It's clear our players are still very much potentially good players rather than current good players.
Hoping by the end of 2019 we have seen continued improvement with a comparison looking closer to the below.
Martin Kennedy Wright
Cripps Darling Ainsworth
Fiorini Yeo Gaff
Sheppard Mcgovern Weller
Harbrow Barrass Hurn
R: Naitanui Shuey Redden
I: Swallow Bowes Brodie Rioli
For interest I had a look at West Coasts grand final team (and made some changes to reflect my assessment of their best 22 fully fit)
Ryan Kennedy Lycett
Cripps Darling Lecras
Sheed Yeo Gaff
Sheppard Mcgovern Jetta
Cole Barrass Hurn
R: Naitanui Shuey Redden
I: Hutchings Rioli Duggan Schofield
From GF team
Naitanui, Sheppard + Gaff in
Vardy, Masten + Venables out
The suns to make this team in my opinion now bolded below
Martin Kennedy Lycett
Cripps Darling Lecras
Sheed Yeo Gaff
Sheppard Mcgovern Jetta
Harbrow Barrass Hurn
R: Naitanui Shuey Redden
I: Swallow Rioli Weller Schofield
Possibilities
- Fiorini / Sexton in for Sheed as a winger
- Thompson is a better player than Schofield but lacks the versatility of Schofield. Probably on par with Barrass.
It's clear our players are still very much potentially good players rather than current good players.
Hoping by the end of 2019 we have seen continued improvement with a comparison looking closer to the below.
Martin Kennedy Wright
Cripps Darling Ainsworth
Fiorini Yeo Gaff
Sheppard Mcgovern Weller
Harbrow Barrass Hurn
R: Naitanui Shuey Redden
I: Swallow Bowes Brodie Rioli
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I replied hastily to Knightmares post.. not my proudest moment
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I agree with the need for some good young ruck/forward talent, but I'd put the two on a par. Goober has two advantages: he's a local and he's got AFL experience. The question is, do we get BW and pit him against BC?
The reason I think we need more rucks is that I think the rules changes will speed the game up and reduce the amount of playing time rucks can manage. Witts in particular plays better the fewer early minutes he plays, while Goober is only a 75% player anyway. Play them both and don't stint on height forward or back. That's why I'd have Goober off the bench, but without seeing a game Young gets the benefit of the doubt.
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With everyone saying we need to bring in KPFs to replace Lynch (but failing to take into account we will most likely be taking Lukosius, I did have a look at Bailey Williams highlights. At 24/29 he is good value, but his goal kicking is almost Lemmon level erratic, and with 2MP/Crossley/Day + Lukosius and Corbett/Burgess, I don’t think it is a priority considering the midfield/flanker depth around that point.
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