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List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

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Nernest said:
Is 4 to ambitious?
Draft counting is not my forte.
But agree as you said, Freo can pay overs if they want Hogan.
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If by 4 you mean before priority picks so hence Brisbanes 1st selection then id say yes. It seems a near certainty lachie neale requests a trade to Brisbane who have already stated their willingness to use pick 4. Freo would need to send 2 1st rounders to Melbourne for hogan so pick 4 should definitely be on the table for may.
 
Cochblocked said:
Is getting pick 5 or 6 for may really better than getting a compo pick next year which lets face it will probably be pick 1-4 the benefit we get for keeping him another season is the team will do better on field than another draftee and it spreads out our age pool if we get a top pick for him next year. Plus of course he could change his mind and re-sign next year.
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The equivalent of a number 1 pick in any other year vs the constant speculation he will leave just like we endured this year?
Yeah its time to cut loose and start fresh. But if may wants to resign for 3 or more years then fantastic.
 
SunnerSS said:
The equivalent of a number 1 pick in any other year vs the constant speculation he will leave just like we endured this year?
Yeah its time to cut loose and start fresh. But if may wants to resign for 3 or more years then fantastic.
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Good point but if May leaves our defense will be even worse which means more losses and less hope to the other players and thus more leave.
 
Cochblocked said:
Good point but if May leaves our defense will be even worse which means more losses and less hope to the other players and thus more leave.
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I think it is quite subjective to say that our defence is poor. The Suns losing 18 games doesn't automatically mean a bad defence because there are 12 other blokes on the field to blame for an opponent kicking a winning score. Losing Hanley for most of the season really sucked because he and Harbrow haven't had the chance to gel. Ballard played really well as a 3rd tall and Joyce has been toiling away from the back pocket against some heavy hitters. If May stays and Thompson returns fully fit, you have the a pretty damn good defence right there. Then you have Day, Leslie, Rischitelli, Weller, Ah Chee, Scrimshaw and Bowes who can all play back and things don't look so grim. I'd actually prefer Day play back and May get unleashed up forward anyway because he'd be a nightmare for opponents to deal with and he is deadly in front of goal.
 

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If we were the ones to force the issue to see if May had plans to stay beyond next year and then he comes out and says no, then I don't think you can keep him around for the year
 
Cochblocked said:
Is getting pick 5 or 6 for may really better than getting a compo pick next year which lets face it will probably be pick 1-4 the benefit we get for keeping him another season is the team will do better on field than another draftee and it spreads out our age pool if we get a top pick for him next year. Plus of course he could change his mind and re-sign next year.
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If May wants to leave and the Suns get 5 or 6 then you must take it and move on rather than hold him for another year and face 2019 with an ex captain thats disgruntled and paying him $800-$900k

Start a fresh with a new captain and all players behind him
 
THE_GUN said:
If May wants to leave and the Suns get 5 or 6 then you must take it and move on rather than hold him for another year and face 2019 with an ex captain thats disgruntled and paying him $800-$900k

Start a fresh with a new captain and all players behind him
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Maybe revisit how you felt when Dusty was being discussed like this last year and consider how Suns fans feel about losing Lynch, on top of all the players that have laft over the past few seasons, and now May.
 
17er said:
Maybe revisit how you felt when Dusty was being discussed like this last year and consider how Suns fans feel about losing Lynch, on top of all the players that have laft over the past few seasons, and now May.
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It still fresh in our minds, Dusty deal was very different as a free agent but may is contracted and you trade him

Suns are not the only club to lose a free agent and will be well compensated with #3 , Richmond would have got #19 same as the hawks did with Franklin. Very very different situation specially when you consider that Lynch would be 30+ before GC are challenging and the #3 player would be in his prime
 
I think if we can get a top 5 pick and May has asked to leave then got to take it.

I would say that’s clear ‘overs’ in terms of his value as a player.
Objectively as a 27 year old who is perhaps between the 8th and 12th best tall defender in the game.. who came ?10th in our best and fairest. And played 17-19 games for the past 5 years.

Of course his value to us as an older player and leader is much more than purely his value as a player.. but that of course was really lost when/if he has asked to be traded in the first place.

Holding him to his contract for next year is really only a valid possibility if we will get a much higher return next year .. ie pick 18 from Collingwood this year vs. pick 4 compensation next year... even then that is not Gasranteed and this is. (If offered)

I mean yes of course I’d rather him recommit and resign but if he has asked to leave that is a pretty good offer..

I’m not sure what people are expecting next year if this doesn’t meet requirements.

On a side note, Is losing Mays salary a good thing? Seems like we have some cap issues as we’ve had to overpay non deserving players to meet the 95% floor. If we lose a 700k salary we are going to end up giving to non elite players and potentially limiting ability to actually get someone good in.
 
gcsunsfc said:
I think if we can get a top 5 pick and May has asked to leave then got to take it.

I would say that’s clear ‘overs’ in terms of his value as a player.
Objectively as a 27 year old who is perhaps between the 8th and 12th best tall defender in the game.. who came ?10th in our best and fairest. And played 17-19 games for the past 5 years.

Of course his value to us as an older player and leader is much more than purely his value as a player.. but that of course was really lost when/if he has asked to be traded in the first place.

Holding him to his contract for next year is really only a valid possibility if we will get a much higher return next year .. ie pick 18 from Collingwood this year vs. pick 4 compensation next year... even then that is not Gasranteed and this is. (If offered)

I mean yes of course I’d rather him recommit and resign but if he has asked to leave that is a pretty good offer..

I’m not sure what people are expecting next year if this doesn’t meet requirements.

On a side note, Is losing Mays salary a good thing? Seems like we have some cap issues as we’ve had to overpay non deserving players to meet the 95% floor. If we lose a 700k salary we are going to end up giving to non elite players and potentially limiting ability to actually get someone good in.
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Very very good and sensible post
 
gcsunsfc said:
I think if we can get a top 5 pick and May has asked to leave then got to take it.

I would say that’s clear ‘overs’ in terms of his value as a player.
Objectively as a 27 year old who is perhaps between the 8th and 12th best tall defender in the game.. who came ?10th in our best and fairest. And played 17-19 games for the past 5 years.

Of course his value to us as an older player and leader is much more than purely his value as a player.. but that of course was really lost when/if he has asked to be traded in the first place.

Holding him to his contract for next year is really only a valid possibility if we will get a much higher return next year .. ie pick 18 from Collingwood this year vs. pick 4 compensation next year... even then that is not Gasranteed and this is. (If offered)

I mean yes of course I’d rather him recommit and resign but if he has asked to leave that is a pretty good offer..

I’m not sure what people are expecting next year if this doesn’t meet requirements.

On a side note, Is losing Mays salary a good thing? Seems like we have some cap issues as we’ve had to overpay non deserving players to meet the 95% floor. If we lose a 700k salary we are going to end up giving to non elite players and potentially limiting ability to actually get someone good in.
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A very large part of the Suns identity IS Steven May. He's entering into his best years and putting such a low value on him is really just another concession to the rest of the AFL clubs that they can come raiding whenever they like and continue to steal our best players. Richmond could have lost Dustin Martin for peanuts and stood their ground knowing that his signature meant the world to their club. Why would you want our club to roll over so easily on our best remaining champion so soon after Lynch? Also notice that your comment has been endorsed by fans from clubs that have the most to gain out of us mortgaging our future on risky picks in the draft that will take years to mature if they ever do become elite.
 
17er said:
A very large part of the Suns identity IS Steven May. He's entering into his best years and putting such a low value on him is really just another concession to the rest of the AFL clubs that they can come raiding whenever they like and continue to steal our best players. Richmond could have lost Dustin Martin for peanuts and stood their ground knowing that his signature meant the world to their club. Why would you want our club to roll over so easily on our best remaining champion so soon after Lynch? Also notice that your comment has been endorsed by fans from clubs that have the most to gain out of us mortgaging our future on risky picks in the draft that will take years to mature if they ever do become elite.
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My post is built around the preface/scenario that he has asked to be traded. Which to my knowledge isn’t certain just yet. I mentioned that twice.

Martin never asked to be traded right? He did the whole exploring options which is probably what Steven is doing at this stage.

If after exploring his options he decides to resign here and I hope our club is aggressively pursuing this with him, that’s great I would 100% want that. If he publically comes out and says I want to be traded to Melbourne for instance..that’s the scenario I’m talking.

If you want to hold him to his contract on the chance that he will resign over the next 12 months after he requests a trade then fair enough. The chance would be quite low I imagine and in doing so am risk what we end up getting for him - but if you want to give it every possibility then that’s ok.

I disagree that a top 5 pick is such ‘low value’
Steven is a very good but not elite player.

If he asks to leave and has zero desire to resign What do you want? 2 top 10 picks. Honestly - you’re dreaming. He isn’t worth that, especially next year when another year older.
 

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Corkie said:
We apparently flew Pickett up to Metricon last month for a tour of the facilities so I think we can pencil him in as 1 of our 3 state league players.
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I thought his close ties with Garlett & Jarrod Pickett both at Carlton would’ve seen him head there. Garlett gave us a backhander when he arrived at Carlton.
 
gcsunsfc said:
I think if we can get a top 5 pick and May has asked to leave then got to take it.

I would say that’s clear ‘overs’ in terms of his value as a player.
Objectively as a 27 year old who is perhaps between the 8th and 12th best tall defender in the game.. who came ?10th in our best and fairest. And played 17-19 games for the past 5 years.

Of course his value to us as an older player and leader is much more than purely his value as a player.. but that of course was really lost when/if he has asked to be traded in the first place.

Holding him to his contract for next year is really only a valid possibility if we will get a much higher return next year .. ie pick 18 from Collingwood this year vs. pick 4 compensation next year... even then that is not Gasranteed and this is. (If offered)

I mean yes of course I’d rather him recommit and resign but if he has asked to leave that is a pretty good offer..

I’m not sure what people are expecting next year if this doesn’t meet requirements.

On a side note, Is losing Mays salary a good thing? Seems like we have some cap issues as we’ve had to overpay non deserving players to meet the 95% floor. If we lose a 700k salary we are going to end up giving to non elite players and potentially limiting ability to actually get someone good in.[/QUO
I respect your opinion but find it difficult to understand how low you rate Steven May as a footballer.
Yes I would rate Rance and McGovern ahead but anyone else no way are they any better as defenders.
Agree did not have his best year but playing in defence for the Suns would have been mentally tough for anyone.
If clubs are chasing him they will pay a high price anything less than an early first round (5-7) plus a senior player
not worth it.
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I'm getting a strong feeling that the Suns are going to enter into a mega-trade frenzy and end up with an incredible amount of picks inside the Top 12-15.

Some sort of 'ground zero' policy like Carlton started a few years back but unlike the original set-up they entered into when the Suns were formed, this will be done extremely smartly & under the watchful eye of a new regime & coaching panel so it works.
 
LordLucifer said:
I'm getting a strong feeling that the Suns are going to enter into a mega-trade frenzy and end up with an incredible amount of picks inside the Top 12-15.

Some sort of 'ground zero' policy like Carlton started a few years back but unlike the original set-up they entered into when the Suns were formed, this will be done extremely smartly & under the watchful eye of a new regime & coaching panel so it works.
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We don't have enough list spots for a mass refresh

Rosa retired
Rischitelli moved to rookie list
Lynch leaving
Barlow delisted
Hall traded
KK likely traded
Jaska, Willis and Spencer delisted from rookie list

Likely bringing in Horlin-Smith, Miles and C.Ellis

that gives us 3 senior list spots. We'll probably use 2, 3 and 18 and then we'll use the mature players concession we've been given with the extra rookie spots we're allowed.
 
Here is the indicative draft order :

1. Carlton
2. Gold Coast
# Lynch compo
3. St Kilda
4. Brisbane
5. Fremantle
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Adelaide
8. Essendon
9. Port Adelaide
10. North Melbourne
11. Geelong
12. Greater Western Sydney
13. Sydney
14. Adelaide (received from Melbourne)
15. Hawthorn
16. Collingwood
17. Gold Coast (received from West Coast)
18. Richmond

Assuming that you get a pick b/w 2 & 3 as compo for Lynch that adds another one to your haul.

May is on the market, let's say the Saints are prepared to part with #3 for him.

Let's also say the Jack Martin talk is true (probably isn't but let's just assume it is) and he goes to Essendon, you can add #8 to your list. Or, you could also be part of a three-way deal with Melb & Freo over Jesse Hogan and end up with #5 instead.

Trade #2 to Adelaide (so they can draft Lukosious or Rankine) for McGovern & #7.

You also have Aaron Hall on the market but I would not expect a first round pick for him.

So the Suns could effectively go into the draft (in real numbers) with #3, #4, #7, #19 plus #6 or #9 after already picking up McGovern.
 
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Corkie said:
We apparently flew Pickett up to Metricon last month for a tour of the facilities so I think we can pencil him in as 1 of our 3 state league players.
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He is going to be a jet at AFL level.

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LordLucifer said:
Here is the indicative draft order :

1. Carlton
2. Gold Coast
# Lynch compo
# May compo
3. St Kilda
4. Brisbane
5. Fremantle
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Adelaide
8. Essendon
9. Port Adelaide
10. North Melbourne
11. Geelong
12. Greater Western Sydney
13. Sydney
14. Adelaide (received from Melbourne)
15. Hawthorn
16. Collingwood
17. Gold Coast (received from West Coast)
18. Richmond

Assuming that you get a pick b/w 2 & 3 as compo for Lynch and another pick next to it for May, you would effectively have 2, 3 & 4 to start of with.

Let's say the Jack Martin talk is true (probably isn't but let's just assume it is) and he goes to either St.Kilda or Essendon, you can add either #3 or #8 to your list. Or, you could also be part of a three-way deal with Melb & Freo over Jesse Hogan and end up with #5 instead.

Trade #2 to Adelaide (so they can draft Lukosious or Rankine) for McGovern & #7.

You also have Aaron Hall on the market but I would not expect a first round pick for him.

The Suns could go into the draft with #3, #4, #5 or #7 & #19 plus already picked up McGovern.
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We’re not getting a compensation pick for May, he’s not a free agent.

Highly doubtful jack Martin leaves.

We’re after Lukosius at the draft so we’re not going to trade away from him
 
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