List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[josh the gent]

He's contracted to the end of 2019 and a required player, so it's a moot point unless he wants to leave. If that is the case, then it would cost you big time. Probably your 1st rounder (#6), and maybe we might send with one of our 2nd rounders back. Jack was taken with our 1st pick as a 17yo, in one of the Incentive Drafts that both GWS and the Suns competed in.

Thanks.

 

[Benaly28]

Agreed - but think Suns are deficient in Marking Forwards.. even if the game is chaos entry - you need a Kennedy and a Darling.
No Lynch - what tall's do we have ??

Levi Casboult May be an option and down back Liam Jones.

 

[17er]

And that first round pick we handed over was #2 from memory, so we’d want Avery high return for a player we’ve invested so much in.

Yes, just as we are the 17th club in the AFL and like to come 17th all the time, we have a notorious history at pick #2. But is it a curse?

In 2010, the Suns used pick #2 on Harley Bennell, who was traded again after 81 games with pick #22 for picks #16 and #35. He has played 2 games since. The first round selection the Suns got from Freo ended up being pick #20 after Academy bids, which the club spent on Brayden Fiorini. The second round pick was traded twice in bundles that helped get Will Brodie through the Dion Prestia trade.

Suns have replaced Bennell with Fiorini and Brodie makes it a win.

In 2012, the Suns traded pick #2 to GWS, who selected Jonathan O'Rourke, for the mini-draft picked that netted Jack Martin. O'Rourke was traded by GWS to Hawthorn with pick #43 for pick #19 and #40. He was delisted last week. GWS bundled pick #19 with Kristian Jaksch and Mark Whiley and traded for Carlton's pick #7 and selected Paul Ahern, but he washed out and was sent to North for a 4th round pick which paid for a quarter of the points need to match the bid on Academy player, Isaac Cumming.

Suns clearly the massive winners out of this transaction.

In 2017, the Suns traded pick #2 to Fremantle for Lachlan Weller and pick #41. The Dockers selected Andrew Brayshaw, while the Suns picked #41 Charlie Ballard. Weller played all 22 matches, Brayshaw 17 and Ballard 10.

Suns got two players who have so far doubled the production of Fremantle's star player.

 

[thurls64]

AFL Trade‏ @AFLTrade 1h1 hour ago



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Anthony Miles & Corey Ellis will make their way to the Suns, with Richmond getting very little in return. Gold Coast are playing hard ball. Will make Lynch deal difficult if Tigers don’t let the pair go for next to nothing.

 

[thurls64]

AFL Trade‏ @AFLTrade Sep 28




Essendon’s first round pick for Jack Martin? Absolutely not. Gold Coast will demand two first round picks in return for the 23 year old. #AFLTRADE

1:42 AM - 28 Sep 2018

 

[17er]

Levi Casboult May be an option and down back Liam Jones.

I think the club has done its due diligence on Casboult, but fans fairly cool on the idea so we'll see what the club does.

Liam Jones was briefly successful in his comeback from VFL purgatory, but I saw him live at Etihad Stadium this year and he was hot garbage. Sandy Roberts doing the commentary had a day out on Jones' terrible zone defence on 8 goal Uncle Tom.

 

[EckersDevs]

AFL Trade‏ @AFLTrade Sep 28

Essendon’s first round pick for Jack Martin? Absolutely not. Gold Coast will demand two first round picks in return for the 23 year old. #AFLTRADE

1:42 AM - 28 Sep 2018

Thoughts on something like this as a potential trade?

GC get: Pick 8, 62 and ESS 2019 first
Essendon: Jack Martin, pick 29 and GC 2019 second

(I put in pick 62 just for potential to use in Miles/Ellis deal)

 

[Peel67skin]

Thoughts on something like this as a potential trade?

GC get: Pick 8, 62 and ESS 2019 first
Essendon: Jack Martin, pick 29 and GC 2019 second

(I put in pick 62 just for potential to use in Miles/Ellis deal)

Assumption if GC end up bottom two again , Essendon in top 4 .

Essendon in : Jack Martin, pick 29 and 2019 ( pick 19/20)
Essendon out : pick 8 , 62 , 2019 pick 15-18 ,pick 62

Look good on Essendon but pretty bad on GC .
Next year pick could end up just an exchange between 15-18 and 19-20.

Maybe GC 2019 second Rd change to third Rd will look a bit better .

 

[CommittedSuns]

Thoughts on something like this as a potential trade?

GC get: Pick 8, 62 and ESS 2019 first
Essendon: Jack Martin, pick 29 and GC 2019 second

(I put in pick 62 just for potential to use in Miles/Ellis deal)

Yeah nah thanks. There is every chance our future second rounder and your future first rounder will be very similar... drop our future second and pick 62 as it ain’t worth a pinch of shit

 

[THE_GUN]

Levi Casboult May be an option and down back Liam Jones.

Common mate both Jones & Casboult are ready for the knackery and neither would offer Gold Coast anything

Delist material

 

[17er]

Thoughts on something like this as a potential trade?

GC get: Pick 8, 62 and ESS 2019 first
Essendon: Jack Martin, pick 29 and GC 2019 second

(I put in pick 62 just for potential to use in Miles/Ellis deal)

Don't get carried away. Essendon flirt with players all the time. Last week they had Steven May visit, and this week Jack Martin. Both players are contracted until the end of 2019 and they are exploring their options. The Club is playing hardball with all players and demanding commitment, but these two aren't going to be pushed around and during their offseason they can visit as many clubs as they like as long as they return to the club for pre-season next month.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Common mate both Jones & Casboult are ready for the knackery and neither would offer Gold Coast anything

Delist material

Id be disappointed if Jones plays anything but the Northern Blues for us in 2019. I think he's completely brainless as a defender, yet many of the Carlton supporters love him. The guy cant defend. But people get annoyed when I say that on our pages. Levi, on the other hand, I certainly believe has something to offer a team like the Suns for at least a season, maybe two. An experienced guy who will take marks, boot around 30 goals for the season and chop out in the ruck. Either Levi, or Jarrod Roughead would be a good get for the Suns for a season, maybe two, to help out the young guys.

 

[THE_GUN]

Id be disappointed if Jones plays anything but the Northern Blues for us in 2019. I think he's completely brainless as a defender, yet many of the Carlton supporters love him. The guy cant defend. But people get annoyed when I say that on our pages. Levi, on the other hand, I certainly believe has something to offer a team like the Suns for at least a season, maybe two. An experienced guy who will take marks, boot around 30 goals for the season and chop out in the ruck. Either Levi, or Jarrod Roughead would be a good get for the Suns for a season, maybe two, to help out the young guys.

Can i ask you what is the difference between the Suns and carlton ?

You mention "Levi, on the other hand, I certainly believe has something to offer a team like the Suns for at least a season, maybe two. An experienced guy who will take marks, boot around 30 goals for the season and chop out in the ruck ''

Carlton & Suns are in the exact same position if that was the case why cant he do that for the blues ?

 

[Peel67skin]

Can i ask you what is the difference between the Suns and carlton ?

You mention "Levi, on the other hand, I certainly believe has something to offer a team like the Suns for at least a season, maybe two. An experienced guy who will take marks, boot around 30 goals for the season and chop out in the ruck ''

Carlton & Suns are in the exact same position if that was the case why cant he do that for the blues ?

I agree , even with Mitch going to Carlton , their forward line will be all under 25 .
(Curnow , McKay , Mitch ) vs ( 2mp , Crossley ( maybe Lukosius ) , Sam Day ( maybe state league players)

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Can i ask you what is the difference between the Suns and carlton ?

You mention "Levi, on the other hand, I certainly believe has something to offer a team like the Suns for at least a season, maybe two. An experienced guy who will take marks, boot around 30 goals for the season and chop out in the ruck ''

Carlton & Suns are in the exact same position if that was the case why cant he do that for the blues ?

Levi is getting replaced by Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow and with the Suns losing Lynch, they could do with an experienced forward to help out the younger guys for a season or two. Its not like he would cost the Suns anything. Just a list place for a season or so. I think Roughead could offer the Suns the same experience. Just an option I was putting out there. No one has to like it, was just putting it out there for discussion.

 

[Peel67skin]

 

[Peel67skin]

 

[OB11]

Levi is getting replaced by Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow and with the Suns losing Lynch, they could do with an experienced forward to help out the younger guys for a season or two. Its not like he would cost the Suns anything. Just a list place for a season or so. I think Roughead could offer the Suns the same experience. Just an option I was putting out there. No one has to like it, was just putting it out there for discussion.

I agree with your rationale - the young Blues talls are ready for opportunity.

Our Sun's talls may need another year or 2 of seasoning and a big body to to do the heavy lifting in the short term may not be the worst thing

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[Peel67skin]

Any chance in this year Trade and Draft GC finally does it right .

 

[17er]

Can i ask you what is the difference between the Suns and carlton ?

You mention "Levi, on the other hand, I certainly believe has something to offer a team like the Suns for at least a season, maybe two. An experienced guy who will take marks, boot around 30 goals for the season and chop out in the ruck ''

Carlton & Suns are in the exact same position if that was the case why cant he do that for the blues ?

Your points have merit, but your premise is off. The Blues had a dreamy travel schedule compared to the Suns nightmare. They had their share of injuries throughout the season, but nothing on the scale of the Suns. They had 2 wins and conceded 100+ point 13 times, while the Suns had 4 wins and only conceded 100+ points 8 times

The Blues have an ageing list with only an above average draft outlook. Blues will have 6 players 30+ the Suns', while the Suns will have only 3 players 30+. In fact, the Suns have 3 guys 28+ while the Blues will have 10. One thing the Suns haven't got enough of are 26-27yo players, given 18yo foundation players are moving into that prime age profile but they keep leaving - there will be 8 of these (11 players 26+), but Carlton have delisted 3 players this age and will only have 3 (now 12 players 26+ down from 15). Miles and Horlin-Smith are both 26yo - Suns acquiring players in this age profile while the Blues are delisting.

Carlton have 13 players below 6 feet compared to the Suns with 9. They also have 13 players over 6'4 to the Suns 9. That is why so many people believe the Blues will select Walsh because they don't need talls or smalls, but the Suns do need talls and smalls. The Suns have Wright, Day, Crossley and will likely draft a tall forward, possibly gain a goalkicking forward from State Leagues. With the possibility of May and Ballard to play KPF there is still a need for a Casboult type, however, it would be for depth and Carlton wouldn't want to be asking too considering the guy can just walk out in Free Agency next year anyway.

 

[THE_GUN]

Your points have merit, but your premise is off. The Blues had a dreamy travel schedule compared to the Suns nightmare. They had their share of injuries throughout the season, but nothing on the scale of the Suns. They had 2 wins and conceded 100+ point 13 times, while the Suns had 4 wins and only conceded 100+ points 8 times

The Blues have an ageing list with only an above average draft outlook. Blues will have 6 players 30+ the Suns', while the Suns will have only 3 players 30+. In fact, the Suns have 3 guys 28+ while the Blues will have 10. One thing the Suns haven't got enough of are 26-27yo players, given 18yo foundation players are moving into that prime age profile but they keep leaving - there will be 8 of these (11 players 26+), but Carlton have delisted 3 players this age and will only have 3 (now 12 players 26+ down from 15). Miles and Horlin-Smith are both 26yo - Suns acquiring players in this age profile while the Blues are delisting.

Carlton have 13 players below 6 feet compared to the Suns with 9. They also have 13 players over 6'4 to the Suns 9. That is why so many people believe the Blues will select Walsh because they don't need talls or smalls, but the Suns do need talls and smalls. The Suns have Wright, Day, Crossley and will likely draft a tall forward, possibly gain a goalkicking forward from State Leagues. With the possibility of May and Ballard to play KPF there is still a need for a Casboult type, however, it would be for depth and Carlton wouldn't want to be asking too considering the guy can just walk out in Free Agency next year anyway.

Think you misunderstood the point i was making and only read the quote rather than my reply, I was saying that Carlton need the 2 players for depth more than the suns

 

[eppo67]

There is a rumour on our trade thread that we’ve enquired about Jack Martin.

What roughly do you think he would cost us in a trade with you guys?

They could offer me 5 times my salary and l wouldn't move to the Western suburbs of Melbourne.

 

[THE_GUN]

They could offer me 5 times my salary and l wouldn't move to the Western suburbs of Melbourne.

Very good point you make

Now think of it this way, say you were drafted there and wanted to come back home

 

[Ben Drever]

Lynch has nominated the Tigers tonight

 

[17er]

Think you misunderstood the point i was making and only read the quote rather than my reply, I was saying that Carlton need the 2 players for depth more than the suns

Thanks for clearing that up because it really wasn't clear. You are still insinuating that the Suns and Carlton are in the same position, but it's wrong.

In fairness to Casboult, he probably would be a 30 goal guy if he was thrown into the ruck all of the time. We know he's not a pure ruckman or a pure forward, but he is a competitor whose possessions are more than 50% contested and it was only last year that he had an injury free season and kicked 34.18 = his best season in volume and accuracy. He isn't guaranteed a game in the seniors at either club, but I have to say it would be a sensible addition depthwise whereas I don't know if Carlton wants or needs him.