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List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

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gcsunsfc said:
Freeman an interesting one.
VFL watchers were saying that he has lost all his pace which was his main attribute. What kind of player is he anymore? Think that 39 disposal game included 0 tackles and 2 contested possessions from memory.
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Yeah not sure. Has lost his pace I think, whether they want to look at him in the hopes of maybe getting him back to something like he was before. Highly rated back in the day.
 
I don't know much about Murdoch only that a while ago he and Guthrie seemed to be the hottest new players going around for Geelong but fell out of favour and know nothing about Freeman but hammy issues are a big worry - seems like these two guys are risky options not solid ones

If we are getting one or both of them wonder if they fit that whole character/clubman ethos we are crowing about? anyone know?
 

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you would think a Whitecross or Cheney down back would be a better bet than Rischa going round another year or Leslie - I know Whitecross has done a deal to go to Norf coaching and playing VFL but thought he had a year or two left in him
 
I don’t see the point of Murdoch and Freeman. What is the reward? Would’ve been better to keep Jesse Lonergan than recruit another C grader (especially on a 3 year contract WTF) or a bloke with glass hamstrings who hasn’t been able to get his body right at two clubs.
 
TheSunGod said:
I don’t see the point of Murdoch and Freeman. What is the reward? Would’ve been better to keep Jesse Lonergan than recruit another C grader (especially on a 3 year contract WTF) or a bloke with glass hamstrings who hasn’t been able to get his body right at two clubs.
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seems to me your right
 
"But The Age understands Murdoch has decided on a move north and is likely to join the franchise club on a three-year deal."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/jordan-murdoch-set-to-head-to-the-suns-20181105-p50e49.html

I'm always suspicious of these scoops because the contract length always seems tacked on. With Jarryd Lyons I saw 1, 2 and 3 year contract stories and in the end we still don't really know if he was contracted year to year or if he was under contract. Same goes for Harrison Wigg, who plenty of people argued with me had a 2 year contract yet here he is being bumped back to the rookie list.
 
Sun Stormer said:
I thought I'd drop in for a quick comment and maybe end this tenuous thread that links to trades, drafts etc.
Let's face it - American kids from birth are virtually encouraged, coerced and brainwashed into traveling across the country for their higher education, as far away as possible from their parents and live with strangers etc for years. Part of the reason why Yanks are a f...... up race. They are lucky to come home twice a year (Thanksgiving and Christmas) and so are naturally less inclined to catch Mummy Fever and want to come home. Aussies are lucky if they have to travel more than a few miles to attend Uni and for financial reasons, many opt to live with the oldies.

It therefore seems a fair thing to believe that American kids are less homesick (because of this indoctrination) than Aussie kids. Like it or lump it, we have a culture that encourages kids to stay closer to home and that flows over to the issues with AFL drafts and trades etc BUT that does not mean we shouldn't take the best players available and work like hell to keep them happy.

I also think it makes sense (as 17er suggests) to put in a 4 year contract term for the kids, similar to a college or Uni degree and then see how things pan out. Of course given the rigged state of affairs in AFL land, kinda doubt that will happen.

I for one just want this whole draft period over, Lukosius etc running around in a Suns outfit and pray to the footy gods for some luck and changes in fortune.
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Griffith Uni is involved with the Suns, and I would estimate 75% of the boys go there (unless they go to a TAFE or are mature age). I've taught a few of them ;)
 
TheSunGod said:
I don’t see the point of Murdoch and Freeman. What is the reward? Would’ve been better to keep Jesse Lonergan than recruit another C grader (especially on a 3 year contract WTF) or a bloke with glass hamstrings who hasn’t been able to get his body right at two clubs.
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Murdoch is much better than Lonergan IMO
 
TheSunGod said:
I don’t see the point of Murdoch and Freeman. What is the reward? Would’ve been better to keep Jesse Lonergan than recruit another C grader (especially on a 3 year contract WTF) or a bloke with glass hamstrings who hasn’t been able to get his body right at two clubs.
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Nothing to say we can't re-rookie Jesse, but pledging to do that for a fifth player is a bridge too far. I have a strong feeling that the Suns List Management will now be looking to go with their picks to the Draft potentially waiting until the Preseason to sign a Free Agent as the new rules allow Free Agency until Round 1 and a Mid-Season Draft.
 
kreglze said:
Murdoch is much better than Lonergan IMO
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There is some serious over rating of Murdoch going on here. The bloke is a vanilla outside player who despite playing at Geelong with two midfield bulls in Dangerfield and Selwood to feed it out to him still struggled to find the ball. His disposal is shit to for an outside mid. The only thing he has going for him is his pace. He is a worse version of Aaron hall
 
17er said:
Nothing to say we can't re-rookie Jesse, but pledging to do that for a fifth player is a bridge too far. I have a strong feeling that the Suns List Management will now be looking to go with their picks to the Draft potentially waiting until the Preseason to sign a Free Agent as the new rules allow Free Agency until Round 1 and a Mid-Season Draft.
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Agree to all but I disagree with mid-season draft , Koenan or Grigg type would benefit training together in pre season with other on the list , mid season is more toward players that get injured long term during Pre season or JLT , eg Wigg ,Nicholls in 2018 .
 

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Supersuns said:
There is some serious over rating of Murdoch going on here. The bloke is a vanilla outside player who despite playing at Geelong with two midfield bulls in Dangerfield and Selwood to feed it out to him still struggled to find the ball. His disposal is shit to for an outside mid. The only thing he has going for him is his pace. He is a worse version of Aaron hall
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Thank you. If it’s 3 years that’s flat out irresponsible on the clubs behalf.
 
Supersuns said:
There is some serious over rating of Murdoch going on here. The bloke is a vanilla outside player who despite playing at Geelong with two midfield bulls in Dangerfield and Selwood to feed it out to him still struggled to find the ball. His disposal is shit to for an outside mid. The only thing he has going for him is his pace. He is a worse version of Aaron hall
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Just gives you an idea how much I don't rate Lonergan. I'm sure he is a good bloke but the guy just struggled all round as an inside mid and had absolutely nothing on the outside. Murdoch for all his faults is a quick outside player who may shank one that hits a player on the chest from time to time. Our team is diabolically slow. The bloke played 16 games for a finals team, he must have something to offer.

However I wouldn't be giving him 3 years.
 
kreglze said:
Just gives you an idea how much I don't rate Lonergan. I'm sure he is a good bloke but the guy just struggled all round as an inside mid and had absolutely nothing on the outside. Murdoch for all his faults is a quick outside player who may shank one that hits a player on the chest from time to time. Our team is diabolically slow. The bloke played 16 games for a finals team, he must have something to offer.

However I wouldn't be giving him 3 years.
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He managed 16 games because Geelong outside of there holy trinity and kelly are prettt shit through the middle.
 
3 years contract for Murdoch really is nothing , look at Scrimshaw before 3rd year come along he already pack his bag. You can't just keep delisting 10+ players every years.
 
Supersuns said:
3 years for a VFL player at best is to much. We already have enough rubbish on our list why do we keep feeling the need to add more
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There is no guarantee Nutting , young , Hanley ( Injuries and age ) , Nicholls , Sexton , Shoenfield stayed on senior list beyond next year.

Sexton might choose to leave GCS as FA and follow Lyons if he had a good years in 2019.
2020 , Bowes , Ainsworth, Brodie all out of contract too .All these add up to your negotiation, Trade and Draft time management .

http://aflnation.com.au/2018/11/05/delisted-cat-join-suns-luckless-former-saint-radar/

*“I think he’s been given a three-year contract by Gold Coast, he was offered two years by St Kilda, but has obviously taken the longer contract.”
 
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kreglze said:
Murdoch is much better than Lonergan IMO
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Same here. Murdoch’s disposal efficiency was 77% this year and not sure where the knock on his kicking comes from.
Was played as a defensive forward on occasions this year and that’s not his game & stats down on previous year. Will be a good player for us.
 
SunsGal said:
Griffith Uni is involved with the Suns, and I would estimate 75% of the boys go there (unless they go to a TAFE or are mature age). I've taught a few of them ;)
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What SandyToes and I agreed on was that it should reflect a player's first contract. What does Max Spencer do now? I presume he hasn't finished Uni or got a trade yet, but with a 4 year contract he might have finished and potentially he ready for life after AFL footy. Do you know if Jesse Lonergan completed a qualification? I bet nobody told him he'd be without a club after 6 years when he was drafted in the first round.

I'm not at all surprised that players at the club are studying, but compared with the Swans and GWS we're not as integrated with a University as them. The Swans had 3 U19 Academy players sign up with Sydney Uni's NEAFL team this week and GWS have Academy players in UWS and Canberra Demons. Perhaps the Suns Academy should be doing something with graduating 19 years olds overlooked in two National Drafts by enrolling them at Griffith and signing with Southport to ensure they can continue playing NEAFL and getting an education - of course those who aren't selected at NEAFL level would revert to their original QAFL club.
 
NOBBYS said:
If we have signed Murdoch for 3 years as reported then Im afraid Craig Cameron is a clone of Scott Clayton
receiving big money for poor return.
One "Exciting" thing from all these trades is that we should be favourite for the NEAFL flag.
What more could we ask for!
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Win a few more AFL/NEAFL games than 2018.
 
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