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[VDS66]

No. No idea why you & vds keep asking this.

The reason I asked is that you're happy to make jokes about them on here and give the impression that you do.

I hope you don't and respect that you stand by your principles.

Ironically I think we all share the same view about this. What inflamed the discussion was the tone of your comment about Victims and pedos.

 

[gringo2011]

Does everyone realise that there’s been rumours about Bomber being involved in this type of activity for over a decade now?

I had a mate that got into heroin, anyway I made this guy tell me who was selling him the stuff, me and another couple of friends decided to confront this dealer who was living in Elwood and I assumed was making squllions through someone else's pain. This mate was a talented musician and lost everything he owned at the time. We basically decided to threaten his dealer because we were young and stupid, but anyway we got to he door pushed our way inside and found this pathetic house with nothing but rubbish and needles in it. We were imagining Pablo Escobar but he was like a human rat, it gave me some sympathy...well for a while until we called the cops because he didn't stop dealing to our mate. We basically told him to stop which he did for about a week.

The police didn't seem to get rid of him but our mate got worse and ended up dying from an overdose. Wasn't the same guy selling to him, I think he started scoring in the commission flats from anyone he could find because he had no credit with dealers he knew any more. The moral of the story is this guy had it under control for ages and was pretty high functioning. It can be a slow creep from normal to full blown **** up. I reckon if he'd survived he would have had to do something similar to pay for his own use. It's a pyramid scheme for the desperate.

 

[Human Person]

I had a mate that got into heroin, anyway I made this guy tell me who was selling him the stuff, me and another couple of friends decided to confront this dealer who was living in Elwood and I assumed was making squllions through someone else's pain. This mate was a talented musician and lost everything he owned at the time. We basically decided to threaten his dealer because we were young and stupid, but anyway we got to he door pushed our way inside and found this pathetic house with nothing but rubbish and needles in it. We were imagining Pablo Escobar but he was like a human rat, it gave me some sympathy...well for a while until we called the cops because he didn't stop dealing to our mate. We basically told him to stop which he did for about a week.

The police didn't seem to get rid of him but our mate got worse and ended up dying from an overdose. Wasn't the same guy selling to him, I think he started scoring in the commission flats from anyone he could find because he had no credit with dealers he knew any more. The moral of the story is this guy had it under control for ages and was pretty high functioning. It can be a slow creep from normal to full blown **** up. I reckon if he'd survived he would have had to do something similar to pay for his own use. It's a pyramid scheme for the desperate.

Brilliantly said, sorry you had to see a friend go through that, and sorry it ended how it did.

 

[bergholt]

There's a shitload of mental illness out there. Personal observations would suggest it's 60% to 80% of people I know well who have to struggle with it (workmates, friends, family etc). Drugs are a symptom of that, not the cause.

 

[pebblesofsand]

We've had decent discussion on mental illness in the random thread. It's a real shit and everyone deals with it differently.

That's not condoning his actions or saying he's I'll.

But depression is nasty, having gone through it. So you just don't know the what and the why of the situation.

I just wonder if the pitchfork carriers found out their son or daughter was in the same boat if they would be just as harsh on them?

Or would they do everything in their power to keep their kid out of jail?

I didn't think there was a pitchfork in my question.

I quite understand that depression can lead to addiction and that drug addiction can lead to minor trafficking to support that addiction but my question was why a clearly well off person, who could financially support a drug habit, would then allegedly turn to low level trafficking.

Its certainly possible he is depressed ATM and that clouds his judgement but its also possible that as a high functioning individual, he has also always had very high sensation seeking or risk taking traits that needed to be serviced and that it is what has led him down this path.

If that's the case then its about moral choices then - drug trafficking or skydiving?

Breaking Bad anyone

 

[BigMonty]

Okay if Bomber is trafficking drugs and he is an intermediary who is he getting them from. Old mate Stephen Danks perhaps and even The Weapon as they have a past history do they not? I have no inside info on that just joining the dots.

About his depression and that we should feel sorry for him and respect his fragile state. He needs some tough love from close friends and get the help needed to get himself right.
This has been a behavioral pattern for years going back to the Ess drug saga. They put the lives of those players at risk and took little to no responsibility for their actions. Being soft then has just perpetuated the behavioral and more victims suffer.
Bomber is one who has the resources to sort this out and chose not to. Hard to feel sorry for him and hard to curtail my anger at what he has done out of respect for his emotional state. Smacks of double standards because he is in the AFL umbrella and should be treated differently.
He should go to jail and have a look and appreciate at how people have to live without the protective AFL aura surrounding them and get the help he needs to get fixed up. Then he will gain some respect from me

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[CALL ME SNAKE]

Been rumours flying around about Bomber for yrs. But there's lots of rumours about AFL players and coaches going around so most peeps take them with a grain of salt.
It's only when the truth becomes public and then you hear a few of his high profile friends in the media saying stuff like " I've been concerned about him for a long time" that you realise just how bad Thompsons life had become.
My point being there are a shitload of people , high profile and blue collar who live as junkies/alcoholics for a long time without many people knowing.
I worked with a bloke for five yrs. Every lunch he'd go to the pub and down 4 pots of beer then come back to work. We all used to joke about him being a piss head.
Ended up he wasn't a drunk at all he was heroin junkie. Apparently the few beers took the edge off his cravings a little till he knocked off work.
His habit got worse then one day I walked into the storeroom at work and saw him rolling his pants leg back down. He'd had a syringe sticky taped to his leg. So it was all out in the open between me and him. Ironically he was a great worker and never took any days off.
Fast fwd 10 yrs and he works at another place now. I see him on the train occasionally.
He's skinny as all f*** now with a front tooth missing and looks like absolute shit so at a guess he's still using.
If so that's at least 15 yrs of being on heroin and working. But boy has it taken it's toll on him.

 

[ScrappyDo]

If you're stripped of the the things that hold your life together, like loosing your career in your life's profession, and losing your wife, you'd be surprised how easy it is to slip out of the matrix of "normal" society. We'll never know just what went on a windy hill, but it was obviously all about politics and cover ups, where the truth comes a distant last to vested interests, and Bomber has obviously taken it very very hard to heart. I've considered dropping out of society many times, and often still do. The world we create for ourselves is mostly in our minds, and when that construct is broken down or stripped from you, the remaining reality is pretty bleak. I don't condone drug trafficking what so ever, but I totally understand how one can find themselves in that life.

 

[Yawkey way]

I had a mate that got into heroin, anyway I made this guy tell me who was selling him the stuff, me and another couple of friends decided to confront this dealer who was living in Elwood and I assumed was making squllions through someone else's pain. This mate was a talented musician and lost everything he owned at the time. We basically decided to threaten his dealer because we were young and stupid, but anyway we got to he door pushed our way inside and found this pathetic house with nothing but rubbish and needles in it. We were imagining Pablo Escobar but he was like a human rat, it gave me some sympathy...well for a while until we called the cops because he didn't stop dealing to our mate. We basically told him to stop which he did for about a week.

The police didn't seem to get rid of him but our mate got worse and ended up dying from an overdose. Wasn't the same guy selling to him, I think he started scoring in the commission flats from anyone he could find because he had no credit with dealers he knew any more. The moral of the story is this guy had it under control for ages and was pretty high functioning. It can be a slow creep from normal to full blown **** up. I reckon if he'd survived he would have had to do something similar to pay for his own use. It's a pyramid scheme for the desperate.

Yes my observation is that most users deal as well.

It's just part of the really grimy depressing world of many drug addict's.

I have had more than a few friends die from drug use including one who died a couple of years ago after a decades long battle with heroin.

Its a really complex subject and I don't think there is a stereotype it affects people across all classes and walks of life.

People choose to head down that path for various reasons you try to help them or ignore what their doing but ultimately you can't and distance yourself for your own safety.

It's not glamorous its grubby and absurd like black comedy or tarentino movie, Random no geniuses in my experience.

I have nothing but sympathy for the poor bastards hooked on the stuff and nothing but contempt for those trying to make money off it.

People with mental illness are I believe much more likely to develop alcohol or drug problems. Depression and anxiety are both on the rise and huge problems.

Bomber Thompson seemed to have it all success, wealth etc but who really knows what's going on in peoples lives.

The law will deal with him as it should but boy he really appears to have disappeared down the rabbit hole.

 

[VDS66]

I didn't think there was a pitchfork in my question.

I quite understand that depression can lead to addiction and that drug addiction can lead to minor trafficking to support that addiction but my question was why a clearly well off person, who could financially support a drug habit, would then allegedly turn to low level trafficking.

Its certainly possible he is depressed ATM and that clouds his judgement but its also possible that as a high functioning individual, he has also always had very high sensation seeking or risk taking traits that needed to be serviced and that it is what has led him down this path.

If that's the case then its about moral choices then - drug trafficking or skydiving?

Breaking Bad anyone

Wasn't pointing the pitchfork at you.

 

[VDS66]

People with mental illness are I believe much more likely to develop alcohol or drug problems. Depression and anxiety are both on the rise and huge problems.

On the rise because IMO we as a society have lost direction as to what is important.

The excessive pursuit of materialism, they way we are labelled and judged as being successful, being defined on the career we choose, being seen as winners or losers, the xenophobic fear mongering, an education system that fails to prepare kids with relevant life skills, the rise of inequality, and of course there's good old fashioned greed....

The list goes on.

 

[Saint Watto]

On the rise because IMO we as a society have lost direction as to what is important.

The excessive pursuit of materialism, they way we are labelled and judged as being successful, being defined on the career we choose, being seen as winners or losers, the xenophobic fear mongering, an education system that fails to prepare kids with relevant life skills, the rise of inequality, and of course there's good old fashioned greed....

The list goes on.

This is what I find a little depressing at times........we live in arguably one of the greatest countries in the world.

Given our wealth, so much more money and resources should be put towards social issues/problems which seem to growing larger.

Unfortunately......the political cycle at a State and Federal level doesn't allow a lot of the time for long term programs/solutions.

As when Paul Keating finally got it...the "vision thing"

 

[Yawkey way]

On the rise because IMO we as a society have lost direction as to what is important.

The excessive pursuit of materialism, they way we are labelled and judged as being successful, being defined on the career we choose, being seen as winners or losers, the xenophobic fear mongering, an education system that fails to prepare kids with relevant life skills, the rise of inequality, and of course there's good old fashioned greed....

The list goes on.

All that and more, I will get accused of being a grumpy old bastard but I was happy growing up when I did.

The news went for 30 minutes and included weather, sport and adds. Now it never stops and is full of human misery, fake news, opinion and some news.

You get kids worried north Korea is going to nuke them or some other crap mixed in with how to own thirty houses by the age of thirty.

The TV has so much utter garbage on it I have become very selective about what I watch. I know this if you watch enough of it you would need a thick hide to feel good about yourself and the world.

A return to some basic manners and decency might take the tension in society down a notch as well IMHO.

That's not a knock on young people it's everybody.

 

[VDS66]

Getting back to bomber...

I recall reading (?) about Neil Armstrong.

I could be wrong but he really went into a spiral after his mission. One day walking on the moon... Next day putting out the garbage.

Couldn't cope.

Point is the higher up the ladder, often the bigger the fall. Just wondering if the his marriage break up and having his reputation destroyed may have affected him, especially if he believes he did nothing wrong.

Or maybe it was the realisationthat he ****ed up big time and that his actions put people in danger?

 

[Brains Trust66]

Something that never seems to get mentioned by the press is how often the Reid brothers at Collingwood and Sydney are out injured . I notice that as usual both are out injured this week . I wouldn’t be at all surprised if their teams might try to load them off during the next trade period.


Go Saints

 

[triggering bro]

 

[gringo2011]

Yes my observation is that most users deal as well.

It's just part of the really grimy depressing world of many drug addict's.

I have had more than a few friends die from drug use including one who died a couple of years ago after a decades long battle with heroin.

Its a really complex subject and I don't think there is a stereotype it affects people across all classes and walks of life.

People choose to head down that path for various reasons you try to help them or ignore what their doing but ultimately you can't and distance yourself for your own safety.

It's not glamorous its grubby and absurd like black comedy or tarentino movie, Random no geniuses in my experience.

I have nothing but sympathy for the poor bastards hooked on the stuff and nothing but contempt for those trying to make money off it.

People with mental illness are I believe much more likely to develop alcohol or drug problems. Depression and anxiety are both on the rise and huge problems.

Bomber Thompson seemed to have it all success, wealth etc but who really knows what's going on in peoples lives.

The law will deal with him as it should but boy he really appears to have disappeared down the rabbit hole.

I have an old friend who got pretty bad depression, he was high achieving and well off, at about 35 he had a huge house an Audi, a good career the hot wife the lot. He reckons it was just he achieved what he had planned and then the destination wasn't what he thought it was. He stepped out of his corporate life and ****ed up a bit of what he had, got re inspired once hardship was worse than being well off and rebuilt it all again. He's fine now and seems happy and accepts that there isn't an end game. I reckon Bomber might have something like that, he got the Premiership as a player, he got them as coach and then it was all over not by his choosing. It'd be a pretty empty world when you have nothing left to strive for because it's been taken off you. I can understand where the mental darkness comes from in a way.

 

[VDS66]

I have an old friend who got pretty bad depression, he was high achieving and well off, at about 35 he had a huge house an Audi, a good career the hot wife the lot. He reckons it was just he achieved what he had planned and then the destination wasn't what he thought it was. He stepped out of his corporate life and ****** up a bit of what he had, got re inspired once hardship was worse than being well off and rebuilt it all again. He's fine now and seems happy and accepts that there isn't an end game. I reckon Bomber might have something like that, he got the Premiership as a player, he got them as coach and then it was all over not by his choosing. It'd be a pretty empty world when you have nothing left to strive for because it's been taken off you. I can understand where the mental darkness comes from in a way.

The end game is the legacy you leave behind. That's the light bulb moment.

 

[Human Person]

On the rise because IMO we as a society have lost direction as to what is important.

The excessive pursuit of materialism, they way we are labelled and judged as being successful, being defined on the career we choose, being seen as winners or losers, the xenophobic fear mongering, an education system that fails to prepare kids with relevant life skills, the rise of inequality, and of course there's good old fashioned greed....

The list goes on.

Sorry to be that guy, and I don't mean to attack you personally, but when was society on the right path?

I think the rising cases of mental illness may just be more that the growing acceptance of it has made it easier for struggling people to come forward and be diagnosed. Depression might be up, but suicides have gone down since the introduction of SSRI anti depressants and the growth of psychology as a legitimate science with measurable results.

Materialism was around in Ancient Rome and will be around for a long time, and fear mongering is the oldest trick in the book. I do agree with you on education though. The public school system in Australia is particularly outdated.

 

[DGontheQT]

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That sandwich he famously ate whilst in the coaches box , must have been when he had the munchies.

 

[VDS66]

Sorry to be that guy, and I don't mean to attack you personally, but when was society on the right path?

I think the rising cases of mental illness may just be more that the growing acceptance of it has made it easier for struggling people to come forward and be diagnosed. Depression might be up, but suicides have gone down since the introduction of SSRI anti depressants and the growth of psychology as a legitimate science with measurable results.

Materialism was around in Ancient Rome and will be around for a long time, and fear mongering is the oldest trick in the book. I do agree with you on education though. The public school system in Australia is particularly outdated.

I value your input.

Not sure how old you are but there's a definite lack of respect and anger out there these days.

 

[PoppedCorn]

So finally someone said what everybody has known for over 15 years but didnt want to drop a boys club member in it because then their life might get looked at and their cushy job might be in jeopardy

Great to see
Why GT never got nowhere in the system after coaching is no surprise is it

The weapon and dank thing was investigated by the boys club at geelong and there was nothing to find.......
The gear the peds.....all common knowledge within the system
People have tried to report.....jobs and families get threatened

Im telling u now
We were robbed in 2009 and 2010

 

[sammm]

Why is it that Carlisle doing a line of coke gets heaps of news and criticism but Mark Thompson being a drug dealer is getting an average amount of coverage? The AFL website has one article, Carlisle I had heaps and gets it brought up in any article ever commenting on him. Unbelievable.

one is a current player, and one is a former coach.

 

[Human Person]

I value your input.

Not sure how old you are but there's a definite lack of respect and anger out there these days.

Nearly at 30, guess I have more research than life experience for my position so take what I say with a grain of salt in that regard.

Like most things I stay pretty open minded so will change my position if I see enough convincing evidence.

 

[Joffaboy]

Hi Guys.

Back to rmthe Bomber thing, just watched a doco by Russell Brand about being a junkie and how the current system of treatment like methadone is completely useless and the only way for junkies is abstinence.

Lots of evidence that about 10% of human brains dont get enough dopamine and therefore junkies cant use drugs recreationally. That includes alcohol.

Have a look, very interesting petspective.

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