News 2018 General AFL Discussion

[gringo2011]

Do you think if Jake was Danger he would more than likely have received that free against the Giants?

If he played for the Cats he would have got 50 as well. Menzel was given frees when we went near him.

 

[Joffaboy]

Triggering bro, myself and a couple of other Saints fans figured out the new coaching and admin on twitter the other day.

Rod Butters back ad president

RTB and Bomber duel coaches

Jake the Snake as captain

Kim Duthie as PR

Chicken toot toot as list manager

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[StFly]

I reckon he could have said it once and made his point, instead of at every single ball up...

BT is the kind of person to see a hammer and drive that nail in using tiny little dinky strokes because he has a fat thumb.

He'll get there, but you'll spend 45minutes of his expositions doing so because he's unsure if you can use force and drive that nail in by 3 concise strokes.

Triggering bro, myself and a couple of other Saibts fans figured out the new coaching and admin on twitter the other day.

Rod Butters back ad president

RTB and Bomber duel coaches

Jake the Snake as captain

Kim Duthie as PR

Chicken toot toot as list manager

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GT media manager, footy boss, trainer, medico, bus driver, legal, maintenance for the hot dog machine & pie warmer.

Media managing; ensure toot toot and doo doo have a brilliant pow wow.
Medico / footy boss; turn a blind eye to internal developments and bring in money through deflection on how shit umpires and AFL House is.
Trainer; itinterary - Movies 2hr, dinner 3 hours, wines? 4 Cross country in Alberta - Priceless.
Maintenance; bring in Dippa for dimmies to compliment pastries and processed meats.
Bus driver; To keep Butts in check and if required send him to rehab.

You know it makes sense.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I know GWS have a lot of injuries however last nights heavy defeat against an undermanned & young Cats team is unacceptable. They also underachieved in the past two years. They should be winning flags with the amount of talent on their list. As soon as the players who re-signed for expected flags realise they are that far off it they’ll leave. Cameron would be under the pump.

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Yes, they might do, but probably not to come to club equally far off one unfortunately

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Footy this year is pretty crap.

So many teams are playing the same scrappy style

 

[VDS66]

Footy this year is pretty crap.

So many teams are playing the same scrappy style

Game is trending that way as teams take a defence first approach. instead of outscoring, the focus is to choke your opposition as much as possible.

Been happening for about 12 years now and has evolved to ridiculous levels.

That's why a team like Adelaide got rolled in the GF last year.

 

[Jack Stevens]

Whats funny is non other than Sam Newman has being saying this for years.

Yeah they actually spoke about it a little and had some vision for it on the Footy Show this week

 

[NarklesHelmet]

Bombers play a similar unsustainable pressure gameplan to us. Against teams like the Hawks who know how to beat it, they look good for awhile then concede bunches of goals.

Can't help thinking coaches like Richo and Woosha are just behind the times with the zones, tactics and pressure and how to make it all work compared to some of their collaegues.

 

[Joffaboy]

Bombers play a similar unsustainable pressure gameplan to us. Against teams like the Hawks who know how to beat it, they look good for awhile then concede bunches of goals.

Can't help thinking coaches like Richo and Woosha are just behind the times with the zones, tactics and pressure and how to make it all work compared to some of their collaegues.

Maybe.

Starting to think the draft system coupled with FA is having the effect of having teams like the Hawks, Swans and Cats to never go down the ladder

Tigers had the superstars prior to the compromised draft, Bulldogs seem to be the outlier and a one off.

The high quality players gobbled up over the compromised drafts seem to only go to the top teams therefore making FA pretty useless.
Look at us Carlton and Essendon. Us and Carlton have gone backwards.

Essendon pick up top up players in Stringer , Saad, and Smith where 'experts' said would have them top four.

These players have failed do far.

If us or North or other rebuilding teams cant land a Lynch or Sloane or even a Gaff and they go to a big club, the competition is in huge strife.

How much longer will teams who are not constantly topped up by FA or bogus academies have their supporters stay loyal?

We can see how sick we are of it already.

Imagine this IPL type of comp because it seems thats the way its going.

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[StCicatriz]

I agree with both of you. I think the defensive game plans are ineffective against well coached sides, it will only be w matter of time before they're beaten again.

I also agree that AFL is quickly becoming like the IPL. For the first time in a long time I've lost hope in the equalization measures of the AFL. They feel completely ineffective. I fear zones. There's complaints over here from the WAFL Club of freo and wce pulling their talent into their affiliates. Some of it is highly rated.

The fact 5 of the 7 clubs to truly bottom out on a rebuild still haven't played finals is worrying. Then you have the dogs who fluked one and it doesn't look good. Even GWS although competitive don't look grand final bound.

The system is broken.

Maybe.

Starting to think the draft system coupled with FA is having the effect of having teams like the Hawks, Swans and Cats to never go down the ladder

Tigers had the superstars prior to the compromised draft, Bulldogs seem to be the outlier and a one off.

The high quality players gobbled up over the compromised drafts seem to only go to the top teams therefore making FA pretty useless.
Look at us Carlton and Essendon. Us and Carlton have gone backwards.

Essendon pick up top up players in Stringer , Saad, and Smith where 'experts' said would have them top four.

These players have failed do far.

If us or North or other rebuilding teams cant land a Lynch or Sloane or even a Gaff and they go to a big club, the competition is in huge strife.

How much longer will teams who are not constantly topped up by FA or bogus academies have their supporters stay loyal?

We can see how sick we are of it already.

Imagine this IPL type of comp because it seems thats the way its going.

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[Pardon me]

Maybe we should let the Nyora saints play - undefeated so far this year!!!

 

[Diehard Saint]

Triggering bro, myself and a couple of other Saints fans figured out the new coaching and admin on twitter the other day.

Rod Butters back ad president

RTB and Bomber duel coaches

Jake the Snake as captain

Kim Duthie as PR

Chicken toot toot as list manager

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Well no one could call us vanilla then.

 

[Joffaboy]

I agree with both of you. I think the defensive game plans are ineffective against well coached sides, it will only be w matter of time before they're beaten again.

I also agree that AFL is quickly becoming like the IPL. For the first time in a long time I've lost hope in the equalization measures of the AFL. They feel completely ineffective. I fear zones. There's complaints over here from the WAFL Club of freo and wce pulling their talent into their affiliates. Some of it is highly rated.

The fact 5 of the 7 clubs to truly bottom out on a rebuild still haven't played finals is worrying. Then you have the dogs who fluked one and it doesn't look good. Even GWS although competitive don't look grand final bound.

The system is broken.

Sounds like I am making excuses for the Saints, but watching other games, it seems like a trend is becoming obvious.

Essendon looked worse than us v Hawthorn.

Even Melbourne with their 15 year rebuild are up and down like a fiddlers elbow.

These academies are a complete joke.

The draft is always compromised by academy picks and F/S.

All very compromised and then we add in the appalling quality of football.

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[StCicatriz]

Add to it a reduction in participation and therefore the player pool and it all adds up

Sounds like I am making excuses for the Saints, but watching other games, it seems like a trend is becoming obvious.

Essendon looked worse than us v Hawthorn.

Even Melbourne with their 15 year rebuild are up and down like a fiddlers elbow.

These academies are a complete joke.

The draft is always compromised by academy picks and F/S.

All very compromised and then we add in the appalling quality of football.

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[VDS66]

Sounds like I am making excuses for the Saints, but watching other games, it seems like a trend is becoming obvious.

Essendon looked worse than us v Hawthorn.

Even Melbourne with their 15 year rebuild are up and down like a fiddlers elbow.

These academies are a complete joke.

The draft is always compromised by academy picks and F/S.

All very compromised and then we add in the appalling quality of football.

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The push to ensure teams in non AFL states are competitive has countered any equalisation measures IMO.

 

[toxic]

Be grateful

You didn't recruit STRINGER

lolbombers

 

[Diehard Saint]

Maybe.

Starting to think the draft system coupled with FA is having the effect of having teams like the Hawks, Swans and Cats to never go down the ladder

Tigers had the superstars prior to the compromised draft, Bulldogs seem to be the outlier and a one off.

The high quality players gobbled up over the compromised drafts seem to only go to the top teams therefore making FA pretty useless.
Look at us Carlton and Essendon. Us and Carlton have gone backwards.

Essendon pick up top up players in Stringer , Saad, and Smith where 'experts' said would have them top four.

These players have failed do far.

If us or North or other rebuilding teams cant land a Lynch or Sloane or even a Gaff and they go to a big club, the competition is in huge strife.

How much longer will teams who are not constantly topped up by FA or bogus academies have their supporters stay loyal?

We can see how sick we are of it already.

Imagine this IPL type of comp because it seems thats the way its going.

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app

Blind Freddie could see Free Agency was only going to benefit the larger, more successful clubs. The players are getting paid very well, they're going to choose to go to historically successful clubs who are on the brink of winning flags.
Can't think of one top player who chose to go to bottom six club.

 

[toxic]

Blind Freddie could see Free Agency was only going to benefit the larger, more successful clubs. The players are getting paid very well, they're going to choose to go to historically successful clubs who are on the brink of winning flags.
Can't think of one top player who chose to go to bottom six club.

Judas Beams
GAJ
Jake C

 

[VDS66]

Bombers play a similar unsustainable pressure gameplan to us. Against teams like the Hawks who know how to beat it, they look good for awhile then concede bunches of goals.

Can't help thinking coaches like Richo and Woosha are just behind the times with the zones, tactics and pressure and how to make it all work compared to some of their collaegues.

That's a bit simplistic. Look at Collingwood. We would have said the same about them two rounds in.

It's about having the players to execute. Carlton currently in the same boat... And even the dogs.

It's all about stifling the opposition and then scoring on the rebound. Whoever does it better, wins.

In terms of tactics, we brought in Playfair for a reason.

 

[VDS66]

Judas Beams
GAJ
Jake C

Treloar FFS!

 

[toxic]

Treloar FFS!

But were better than Richmond


Oh wait....ffs

 

[Diehard Saint]

Sounds like I am making excuses for the Saints, but watching other games, it seems like a trend is becoming obvious.

Essendon looked worse than us v Hawthorn.

Even Melbourne with their 15 year rebuild are up and down like a fiddlers elbow.

These academies are a complete joke.

The draft is always compromised by academy picks and F/S.

All very compromised and then we add in the appalling quality of football.

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Sydney getting yet another young star at the end of the year in Blakey through their academy and f/s.

 

[Nutsngum]

Judas Beams
GAJ
Jake C

Beams was for personal reasons and GAJ got a kings ransom and a captaincy promise to make him move so theyre both kind of outliers. Im not sure many people even 3 years ago considered Carlisle a top player. No doubt he would fit into any backline in the league but not really sure he counts as a real star (even though he totally is)

 

[Joffaboy]

Treloar FFS!

Mayne

FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[NarklesHelmet]

Maybe.

Starting to think the draft system coupled with FA is having the effect of having teams like the Hawks, Swans and Cats to never go down the ladder

Tigers had the superstars prior to the compromised draft, Bulldogs seem to be the outlier and a one off.

The high quality players gobbled up over the compromised drafts seem to only go to the top teams therefore making FA pretty useless.
Look at us Carlton and Essendon. Us and Carlton have gone backwards.

Essendon pick up top up players in Stringer , Saad, and Smith where 'experts' said would have them top four.

These players have failed do far.

If us or North or other rebuilding teams cant land a Lynch or Sloane or even a Gaff and they go to a big club, the competition is in huge strife.

How much longer will teams who are not constantly topped up by FA or bogus academies have their supporters stay loyal?

We can see how sick we are of it already.

Imagine this IPL type of comp because it seems thats the way its going.

On [device_name] using BigFooty.com mobile app

You could be right on this and I definitely think FA plays a part in it for sure.

I just feel like there are a few clubs that just get how to play modern footy tactically and then create a strong culture and brand that is easy to teach their players... this obviously comes about because they have the most talented coach/coaches to design and steer everything. It just gives them a massive leg-up on top of the competition that flows onto things like FA. It's also why certain clubs develop players so well compared to others (like us).

I think it was Lloydy on footy Classified the other night who talked about Blake Carracella. He said that he's in charge of ball movement at Richmond and pretty much took Geelong's ball movement and combined it with Richmond's existing pressure game-plan (similar to what we have now).

The point of the above is, it is bloody hard in modern footy with the pressure and zones to move the ball effectively. It is the main reason why the skills of the players from teams that don't have a plan to move the ball in the modern game look so deplorable. A select few clubs (Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney to a lesser extent... they are much more defense minded) have training and development that facilitates this ball movement... and coaches that come out of these systems tend to thrive, or at least teach their players how to move the ball in the modern game.

It's why at the very least to remain competitive and give our young blokes a chance to thrive (or at least assess if they have ability or not), we need a coach/assistants to completely change the way we go about moving the ball. Pressure isn't going anywhere, it's here to stay. FA rules and equalization may only get worse. at the very least we have to have a brand of footy taught at our club that allows the players to execute basic skills to a level that we can compete.