List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Orange Agent]

Jackson Merrett is putting on a Tom Scully like display in the VFL final on tv right now. Scully really took till about 25 years old to break out and be the damaging player he is now, Merrett is about that now. I hope we are seriously into him, he has to offer more than Dyl Buckley.

 

[Andre the Giant]

The bloke I keep hearing as the surprise departure is Tom Scully. Not in 19’ but long term apparently keen to get back to Victoria.

Came from a recruiter so who knows.

Mentioned today by Barrett as a possible departure.

He is one bloke we really cannot afford to lose as his running is irreplaceable.

 

[Don Won]

Jackson Merrett is putting on a Tom Scully like display in the VFL final on tv right now. Scully really took till about 25 years old to break out and be the damaging player he is now, Merrett is about that now. I hope we are seriously into him, he has to offer more than Dyl Buckley.

Hope someone picks him up, way too good for VFL but has never quite got it together in his few AFL opportunities.

 

[Colonial]

Scull reports not happening from Ralph.

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[Giant Strides]

So, in next year's academy news, the U17s Futures game on GF day has 2 GWS Academy kids named - Tom Green & Liam Delahunty. Congrats lads.

In this year's news, Mat Walker seems to have come into a purple patch of form near the end of the season. I must admit that I'd largely written him off, so will be interested to see what happens during trade/draft period. I'm not sure we need another forward on the list, so I'd think we'd need to move a forward off the books (could be a rookie & juggle list spots) to squeeze him in. Certainly don't think it's a certainty to happen.

 

[Teeso]

So, in next year's academy news, the U17s Futures game on GF day has 2 GWS Academy kids named - Tom Green & Liam Delahunty. Congrats lads.

In this year's news, Mat Walker seems to have come into a purple patch of form near the end of the season. I must admit that I'd largely written him off, so will be interested to see what happens during trade/draft period. I'm not sure we need another forward on the list, so I'd think we'd need to move a forward off the books (could be a rookie & juggle list spots) to squeeze him in. Certainly don't think it's a certainty to happen.

If walker was to come through the national draft, sadly I feel tiziani might be the unlucky one to make way or perhaps rookied. On the topic of rookies, Sproule deserves an elevation to the senior list.

 

[fridgeman]

If walker was to come through the national draft, sadly I feel tiziani might be the unlucky one to make way or perhaps rookied. On the topic of rookies, Sproule deserves an elevation to the senior list.

Sproule is eligible to stay on the rookie list for another year and the upgrade would depend on list spots so trade period/retirements and who is available at the picks
Tiziani I feel will be on the rookie list next year but again it could come down to list spots

 

[PMBangers]

For next year I think Green is in the conversation for pick 1, only benhind Anderson, Flanders and Rowell for me at the moment. Delahunty I'm fairly confidemt will still be top 25.

Walkers form is a blessing and a curse, a blessing because he's proving what most of us knew in that he can be a good player for us but now he's pushing into a top 40 bid position. Will be interesting to see with Briggs and Walker where bids come in, confident we match both but would like to get 2 non academy kids before having to match.

In other news Duursma and Collier-Dawkins are the names I'm currently hearing for our first pick and Cameron is seriously a chance at our second. I was hoping we'd be right into Taylor or Stocker so I'm not thrilled with RCD links, not unhappy with Duursma links though

 

[dlanod]

FWIW even though people are talking up Green as a candidate for pick 1 now, bear in mind that these same pundits were saying the same about Marshall and Spargo at different points in their draft year, Keays too, and so on and so forth. If we're lucky he'll end up as a top 10 talent next year, but there's about an equal chance that he'll slide into the 30s or 40s. It's almost guaranteed he will not be pick 1.

 

[PMBangers]

FWIW even though people are talking up Green as a candidate for pick 1 now, bear in mind that these same pundits were saying the same about Marshall and Spargo at different points in their draft year, Keays too, and so on and so forth. If we're lucky he'll end up as a top 10 talent next year, but there's about an equal chance that he'll slide into the 30s or 40s. It's almost guaranteed he will not be pick 1.

This time 2 years ago Fogarty and Stephenson were guarenteed top 3 selections and neither went top 5.

 

[Andre the Giant]

This time 2 years ago Fogarty and Stephenson were guarenteed top 3 selections and neither went top 5.

Jarrod Brander was constantly mentioned as a number 1 pick. A few years ago James Aish was a lock at number 1.

It all changes pretty quick.

 

[Giant Strides]

I certainly agree that there's no guarantee that any lad performing well at 17 will keep or improve his position for their draft year. And that a lot of commentators vastly overrate academy kids. However, given that Green and Delahunty have performed well to date, GWS will need to prepare a strategy to deal with the various options that may arise next year - including both ending up as first round picks, first & second round, etc. In that regards, and given Sproule has another year he can stay on the rookie list, it seems to me most advantageous for us to leave him on the rookie list until next year where upgrading him would save a pick that could be used for points.

This year still has a lot to play out in regards any actual move from Shiel, where GWS see Walker & Briggs fitting in - if at all. I will admit I was a bit surprised at Jack Buckley being extended - I would have swapped him out for Briggs. Maybe with Patton out for the season, we'll go a bit taller. Perhaps Dylan Buckley out in favour of Briggs, and maybe also swapping Tiziani for Walker - if they decide to select him at all.

 

[Teeso]

I certainly agree that there's no guarantee that any lad performing well at 17 will keep or improve his position for their draft year. And that a lot of commentators vastly overrate academy kids. However, given that Green and Delahunty have performed well to date, GWS will need to prepare a strategy to deal with the various options that may arise next year - including both ending up as first round picks, first & second round, etc. In that regards, and given Sproule has another year he can stay on the rookie list, it seems to me most advantageous for us to leave him on the rookie list until next year where upgrading him would save a pick that could be used for points.

This year still has a lot to play out in regards any actual move from Shiel, where GWS see Walker & Briggs fitting in - if at all. I will admit I was a bit surprised at Jack Buckley being extended - I would have swapped him out for Briggs. Maybe with Patton out for the season, we'll go a bit taller. Perhaps Dylan Buckley out in favour of Briggs, and maybe also swapping Tiziani for Walker - if they decide to select him at all.

Agreed GWS will need to plan ahead and consider all possible scenarios with Green and Delahunty. Seems reasonable as well to leave Sproule on the rookie list for another year as tempting as I thought it would be to senior list him given his great season in reserves.

We dont usually delist first time AFL players after 1 year especially since J.Buckley was injured for much of the season - though admittedly a reserves forward line of Sproule, Briggs, J.Buckley, Walker, Tiziani (maybe rookie) and Patton seems excessively tall. The NEAFL coach might in that case opt for Sproule to do more midfield minutes to continue improving his tank with Walker to spend time as a swingman next year if we are to draft him. Patton and Tiziani wont be back for a while so they will be out of the equation for a bit. Leaves J.Buckley and Briggs/Flynn (resting ruckman) as the tall forwards. Thinking Dyl Buckley will be kept as he seems to have a strong connection with lots of players on the team and would replace Reid who might return to contributing in a coaching capacity given his soft tissue injuries. He would play predominantly in the seconds though with Langdon, Daniels, DeBoer and Greene ahead of him for the small forward roles in the senior team. Honestly thought Stein would be delisted with Taylor, Keefe, Mohr, Finlayson, Buntine, Cumming, Perryman and potentially Walker getting the nod down back.

On another note, watching Melbourne today, apart from a really solid system and setup, what stood out was the strength and ferocity of their mids which really intimidated Geelong for the course of the match - made even more pronounced with Gawn dominating in the ruck. Players like Harmes, Viney, Jones, Vandenberg and Oliver just overpowered the perhaps more skilled midfield of Dangerfield, Ablett, Selwood brothers, Kelly and Duncan. They tackled at full pace and whilst legal and fair, felt like they did so to hurt. It seemed Geelong players were backing off at times in fear of being knocked out and that kind of aggression instills fear and pressure in the eyes of the opposition - a quality I would value as going a long way to winning a premiership. Alot of our midfielders are strong, silky and courageous, but I cant say any of our even bigger boys like Ward, Hopper, Shiel or Coniglio would necessarily have the aggression that intimidates others. Even looking to the past, Mumford in his prime may have been our only player to date whose aggression opposition teams would have truly feared. Could be argued Jezza has it but dont think he channels it in the right way and cant really be utilised through the midfield. Maybe Bonar in the future, strong but not sure he has the aggression in him, seems a reserved kind of kid. A missing piece to the puzzle we might need to try to look to remedy over the off-season along with our well-documented ruck issues.

 

[Giant Strides]

Seems reasonable as well to leave Sproule on the rookie list for another year as tempting as I thought it would be to senior list him given his great season in reserves.

We dont usually delist first time AFL players after 1 year especially since J.Buckley was injured for much of the season - though admittedly a reserves forward line of Sproule, Briggs, J.Buckley, Walker, Tiziani (maybe rookie) and Patton seems excessively tall. The NEAFL coach might in that case opt for Sproule to do more midfield minutes to continue improving his tank with Walker to spend time as a swingman next year if we are to draft him. Patton and Tiziani wont be back for a while so they will be out of the equation for a bit. Leaves J.Buckley and Briggs/Flynn (resting ruckman) as the tall forwards. Thinking Dyl Buckley will be kept as he seems to have a strong connection with lots of players on the team and would replace Reid who might return to contributing in a coaching capacity given his soft tissue injuries. He would play predominantly in the seconds though with Langdon, Daniels, DeBoer and Greene ahead of him for the small forward roles in the senior team. Honestly thought Stein would be delisted with Taylor, Keefe, Mohr, Finlayson, Buntine, Cumming, Perryman and potentially Walker getting the nod down back.

I generally agree with your thoughts - and especially with those bolded. I would have traded Jack Buckley for Briggs, and though Dylan Buckley served our NEAFL team well, would have traded him for a more midfield option - or have Tiziani take his rookie spot to enable us to take Walker. Similarly, expected Stein to go - he's had a couple of years without too much influence, but perhaps if Mohr goes they see a place for him for another year (and perhaps Delahunty a chance to come in his place next year, either main list or rookie if he slides?). I actually wouldn't be surprised if Sam Reid remained for another year, given how many games he's played for us this year - but that doesn't see us with any rookie spots unless Dylan is booted. Or, with Tiziani & Patton injured, we take a 7th rookie.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I generally agree with your thoughts - and especially with those bolded. I would have traded Jack Buckley for Briggs, and though Dylan Buckley served our NEAFL team well, would have traded him for a more midfield option - or have Tiziani take his rookie spot to enable us to take Walker. Similarly, expected Stein to go - he's had a couple of years without too much influence, but perhaps if Mohr goes they see a place for him for another year (and perhaps Delahunty a chance to come in his place next year, either main list or rookie if he slides?). I actually wouldn't be surprised if Sam Reid remained for another year, given how many games he's played for us this year - but that doesn't see us with any rookie spots unless Dylan is booted. Or, with Tiziani & Patton injured, we take a 7th rookie.

I think on Jack Buckley he's a bit like Daniel Lloyd. If you list a guy out of local comps you have to expect him to need some time in the club system developing physically. One year isn't really much.

 

[Giant Strides]

I think on Jack Buckley he's a bit like Daniel Lloyd. If you list a guy out of local comps you have to expect him to need some time in the club system developing physically. One year isn't really much.

You are right, and I like that GWS takes some time to really try to develop and assess its rookies, rather than just churning them over easily. And IIRC Jack's only about 20, so only 1 or 2 years off normal draft age. Conversely, we also need to at times make harsh/realistic decisions about who's likely to succeed, and what's the best course of action for our list. We could have selected Briggs as a rookie last year instead of Buckley - but his performances at the time didn't demand it (there were more of us talking about wanting Nathan Richards in a rookie spot at the time). Anyway, I'm not GWS list manager, just giving my interested but purely amateur commentary.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

You are right, and I like that GWS takes some time to really try to develop and assess its rookies, rather than just churning them over easily. And IIRC Jack's only about 20, so only 1 or 2 years off normal draft age. Conversely, we also need to at times make harsh/realistic decisions about who's likely to succeed, and what's the best course of action for our list. We could have selected Briggs as a rookie last year instead of Buckley - but his performances at the time didn't demand it (there were more of us talking about wanting Nathan Richards in a rookie spot at the time). Anyway, I'm not GWS list manager, just giving my interested but purely amateur commentary.

It's all opinion. Just he hasn't followed the elite pathways at all, and maybe not been exposed to top level coaching and training standards, prior to playing NEAFL. He's got to show something to continue though, I would think.

Edjt: He did apparently spend some time in the Swans academy and was presumably spat out by them

 

[Del191229]

I reckon with the reduction of interchanges guys like Hartung are more valuable.

On the rare occasions we’ve had our troops together on the field you see the Scully’s, Kelly’s, Whitfield’s really come into their own in the back half of the game. We have a good degree of skill so an accomplished outside guy for chump change may not be insane. Certainly prefer him to a Sam Reid who offers very little.

Hartung delisted largely because North have Polec and Gaff coming this year. Also, he squibbed a few contests which didn't endear him to Brad Scott.

 

[Danny88]

Fox sports reporting saints are looking at tabling 1.2-1.3 mil a year to shiel

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Fox sports reporting saints are looking at tabling 1.2-1.3 mil a year to shiel

That sounds way too much. Martin might be worth that, possibly Fyfe if you were confident about his body. Either the press is wrong or the Saints have way too much money. I could maybe see a mill

 

[fridgeman]

I think some of the journalists have been going to creative writing courses with some of the articles being written, and dartboard journalism eventually they will get something right
Can we get a mock up of several journos standing around a pub dartboard

 

[Determinant]

Fox sports reporting saints are looking at tabling 1.2-1.3 mil a year to shiel

Rather him than Hannebery says the saunter half of me


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[dlanod]

It wouldn't surprise me, given there's usually a 20%+ premium to get players to change clubs.

 

[Danny88]

That sounds way too much. Martin might be worth that, possibly Fyfe if you were confident about his body. Either the press is wrong or the Saints have way too much money. I could maybe see a mill

It does... but if Boyd was worth 1 mil a season 3-4 years ago then it’s not that big of a step to be honest

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

It does... but if Boyd was worth 1 mil a season 3-4 years ago then it’s not that big of a step to be honest

Boyd got paid that, serious stretch to say he was worth it IMO.
If they did I think you'd be best to try for a short term contract, and reset in a couple if years. Contract length would be an important part of the lure, so it may not be possible.