List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Orange Agent]

Toumpas had a bad hip injury in his draft year and there is a school of thought he was never the same after that. He’s not quick and is very vanilla, junior champ, senior chump.

My take was that was tongue in cheek. I remember Collins debut game against us, he was horrendous. Just noticed he never got another game even when the Dogs had massive injury problems down back.

 

[Determinant]

Can't believe I am saying this, but would love to see us pickup Freeman.
Had a very solid end to the season and was so far from the worst in the games he played before being omitted it's not funny.

 

[fridgeman]

Can't believe I am saying this, but would love to see us pickup Freeman.
Had a very solid end to the season and was so far from the worst in the games he played before being omitted it's not funny.

If the dockers stick by Bennel surely freeman is worth another shot but don’t think he would move to sydney unless the salary was worth it and I don’t think the club could afford it

 

[Andre the Giant]

Can't believe I am saying this, but would love to see us pickup Freeman.
Had a very solid end to the season and was so far from the worst in the games he played before being omitted it's not funny.

Has he still got his agility? He was explosive as a junior but I have heard he has lost his speed which was his weapon.

The guy I was a bit surprised getting cut was Hartung. He is an elite runner, probably a bit limited in other respects but not a spud. I think he and Lachie played junior footy together.

 

[Danny88]

If the dockers stick by Bennel surely freeman is worth another shot but don’t think he would move to sydney unless the salary was worth it and I don’t think the club could afford it

Not sure someone who doesn’t have a contract could demand much money to be honest. It’s that or a job site

 

[Determinant]

If the dockers stick by Bennel surely freeman is worth another shot but don’t think he would move to sydney unless the salary was worth it and I don’t think the club could afford it

Has he still got his agility? He was explosive as a junior but I have heard he has lost his speed which was his weapon.

The guy I was a bit surprised getting cut was Hartung. He is an elite runner, probably a bit limited in other respects but not a spud. I think he and Lachie played junior footy together.

The Freeman I watched a few weeks back had a great debut and played very good football, he had been dominating at Sandringham before that, not sure is he has lost anything as I don't know for sure what he had to start with having bever played, but if he was up for it I'd hope we would be also..

Hartung has off-field issues I am led to believe so a big red flag

 

[Andre the Giant]

The Freeman I watched a few weeks back had a great debut and played very good football, he had been dominating at Sandringham before that, not sure is he has lost anything as I don't know for sure what he had to start with having bever played, but if he was up for it I'd hope we would be also..

Hartung has off-field issues I am led to believe so a big red flag

Freeman’s main trick was explosive speed, it was quite honestly Judd like as a junior. He has had that many issues that this is now gone.

Interesting re Hartung and a shame. These kids...

 

[Raymann]

The Freeman I watched a few weeks back had a great debut and played very good football, he had been dominating at Sandringham before that, not sure is he has lost anything as I don't know for sure what he had to start with having bever played, but if he was up for it I'd hope we would be also..

Hartung has off-field issues I am led to believe so a big red flag

Hartung does not have off field issues.

 

[Determinant]

Hartung does not have off field issues.

Fair enough, I don't claim to know, I have seen it stated a few times which led to the comment.
If he doesn't why did Hawks delist him when in their best 22 all year. North the same until injured?
Curious as if he is "clean" his speed would be handy depth, assuming we have a list spot to spare for it

 

[Raymann]

Fair enough, I don't claim to know, I have seen it stated a few times which led to the comment.
If he doesn't why did Hawks delist him when in their best 22 all year. North the same until injured?
Curious as if he is "clean" his speed would be handy depth, assuming we have a list spot to spare for it

Interesting delisting. He is a little vanilla so I guess you can be too outside.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Interesting delisting. He is a little vanilla so I guess you can be too outside.

I reckon with the reduction of interchanges guys like Hartung are more valuable.

On the rare occasions we’ve had our troops together on the field you see the Scully’s, Kelly’s, Whitfield’s really come into their own in the back half of the game. We have a good degree of skill so an accomplished outside guy for chump change may not be insane. Certainly prefer him to a Sam Reid who offers very little.

 

[Rad Roo]

heard hawk is leading race for shiel and congnilio is targeted for 2019. Kelly to north. Big reset coming up.

 

[coniglio_number1]

heard hawk is leading race for shiel and congnilio is targeted for 2019. Kelly to north. Big reset coming up.

I heard from Sheils own mouth he doesn’t intend to leave. Cogs would only go the west coast if he were to leave and has said repeatedly he intends to spend his career here and Kelly already said no to the biggest contract offer in Aussie rules history despite his dad playing a handful of games for north.


I think I don’t believe you

 

[Rad Roo]

I heard from Sheils own mouth he doesn’t intend to leave. Cogs would only go the west coast if he were to leave and has said repeatedly he intends to spend his career here and Kelly already said no to the biggest contract offer in Aussie rules history despite his dad playing a handful of games for north.


I think I don’t believe you

everything is to be read in between the line. Kelly only signed a 2 year deal, if GWS is so successful and he is so happy then why not longer. All this points to kelly doing a wait and see. regardless, kelly is gone. If gws wins a flag (not likely with current list), he has done all and will leave. if not win or close then still leave because success has proven to be elusive. Players only stay at GWS for immediate success but GWS is a distance away in team composition, footy department, medical department... In the end, kelly is ours.

 

[Determinant]

I reckon with the reduction of interchanges guys like Hartung are more valuable.

On the rare occasions we’ve had our troops together on the field you see the Scully’s, Kelly’s, Whitfield’s really come into their own in the back half of the game. We have a good degree of skill so an accomplished outside guy for chump change may not be insane. Certainly prefer him to a Sam Reid who offers very little.

It's an odd one, I get he isn't elite and doesn't like to be in and under, but he isn't alone, Dal Santo did bloody well for year with the same attitude, thus the rumours seemed more real.. Time will out, it usually does

 

[Colonial]

everything is to be read in between the line. Kelly only signed a 2 year deal, if GWS is so successful and he is so happy then why not longer. All this points to kelly doing a wait and see. regardless, kelly is gone. If gws wins a flag (not likely with current list), he has done all and will leave. if not win or close then still leave because success has proven to be elusive. Players only stay at GWS for immediate success but GWS is a distance away in team composition, footy department, medical department... In the end, kelly is ours.

If he loved the Lolnorf and got offered a godfather deal why didnt he sign with them?

Probably because he thinks you're as big a joke as what most in footy do.
Your coach got miracles out of a list that belongs near the bottom.

Stay for immediate success? ****ing idiot. We havent won one yet and the majority keep signing.

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[sydney_gws]

So, unwelcome whispers that Dylan Shiel may be on the move. It may not prove to be true (I'd prefer to keep him in 2019 even if FA compo then is worse, and I'll only give up hope when a departure announcement is made) - Raymann has noted that it's not entirely solid - but his previous whispers unfortunately have tended to be on the money.

However, if he does go, my general thoughts on where GWS is at (mixture of my own thoughts & trying to interpret likely GWS actions based on past behaviour):

• certain departures from the main list over the next 2 years will be Griffen, Mohr, Deledio & Shaw (3 of whom will release significant $)
• others on the main list with question marks (at this point) for me are: Simpson (due to age + Flynn's progress) Keeffe (although I think we will keep him next year as an emergency ruck) Finlayson and Tiziani (ignoring any other possible FA or player-initiated trade-related departures)
• most of the rookies have question marks - Reid, both Buckleys & Stein - while happy to keep Lloyd & Sproule a chance for upgrade to main list either this year or next
• academy possibilities for the main list over the next two years are Keiran Briggs (ruck/forward) this year and next year Tom Green (inside mid - possible top 10) & Liam Delahunty (KPP - has played both forward & back); James Peatling and Matt Walker would only be rookie list possibles this year
• current picks likely to start with one mid-teens: on Round 22 table #s 13, 23, 44,49 & 67
• I hope that we keep list changes to a minimum both this year and next; I'm happy with the list balance & quality and I don't think we need to bring in outside talent (unless Flynn doesn't come up to speed in next 2 years), so really not much more required than natural losses

The 'so what?' for me then is:

• If Shiel departs this year, then I'd limit departures to him, Griffen & Mohr this year
• Next year would be Shaw, Deledio and potentially one of Simpson or Keeffe
• we would want 2 picks this year before Briggs likely to be nominated by another club (I'd suggest late 20s is earliest) then multiple later picks would provide the points for Briggs (3 departures would give us 5 picks to use, on the grounds that we fill 38 out of 40 possible main list spots)
• we would want extra picks next year to cover for Green being a possible early pick; although I'd consider Sproule as a possible rookie upgrade as the third main list draftee could help our points position

Shiel trade discussion:

• I value Shiel in the 2 to 5 region, however, I daresay some would argue that both outright and due to this year's supposed 'superdraft' rating.
• I would prefer 2 first round picks - akin the Treloar trade - (2018 & 2019, the latter to help with Tom Green) with something going back - a 2nd rounder. If Essendon is supposedly favoured to get his signature, then their 2018 (likely) pick 8 (noting all picks are likely to slide right with Lynch compo and GCS & Carlton PPs) + 2019 (likely mid teens as they rise up the table) and giving them 23 this year. That would leave GWS with roughly 8, 13 (becoming likely 9 & 14), 44, 49, 67 (likely to be something like 47, 52 & 70 in the end). Those last three picks would provide the points, once academy discount is factored in, to pick up Briggs from any nomination as early as 24. (anything earlier & we'd just carry the points into next year.)
• The suggestion from Jon Ralph is, I understand, Essendon's first plus our own second (traded to Essendon last year as part of the Dev Smith trade). That is actually around the same points value, equivalent to around pick 5, and while less valuable to GWS I suspect it's the more likely outcome for us. That would give us this year roughly 8, 13, 23, 31, 44, 49, 67 before any extra picks slot in; with no extra picks for 2019 draft. We can't use all of those picks, so would need to either bundle some for an earlier pick or trade some into 2019 IMHO. Perhaps saints would be interested in 8, 13, 31 for pick 3 (yes they lose a top quality pick but get two first rounders plus a second rounder) - that would get GWS close to a Shiel replacement in someone like Smith, Walsh or Rankine. Otherwise, would Freo be interested in trading pick 5 for 8 & 13 - they need to add quality but also need numbers with their list? In the latter case, I'd also find someone to trade 31 to, in exchange for a 2019 second rounder for some extra points next years.

Other thoughts?

II think 8 and 13 is enough for saints first rounder, which will be 4 after the lynch compo to gold coast.

 

[dlanod]

Taylor extended to 2020.

 

[Determinant]

Taylor extended to 2020.

Future's so bright I gotta wear shades

 

[Giant Strides]

Woo hoo.

 

[BrightSideBard]

All this trading of Shiel is doing my head in Already went through this last year with Kelly. Really hope he stays.

 

[Giant Strides]

All this trading of Shiel is doing my head in Already went through this last year with Kelly. Really hope he stays.

Ah, well, you might want to buy a suit of armour with a strong helmet 'cos this happens every year for GWS players. Luckily, most of 'em do stay. And then it's LOLtime re-reading the Carlton/Saints/Hawks etc boards & all the gushing over who they were going to get for not much.

 

[BrightSideBard]

Ah, well, you might want to buy a suit of armour with a strong helmet 'cos this happens every year for GWS players. Luckily, most of 'em do stay. And then it's LOLtime re-reading the Carlton/Saints/Hawks etc boards & all the gushing over who they were going to get for not much.

Well I might need to upgrade mine! LOL!

But I dust myself off quick. I guess we just top up again but I really love Dylan.

 

[Danny88]

Well I might need to upgrade mine! LOL!

But I dust myself off quick. I guess we just top up again but I really love Dylan.

I think we can afford to lose him

 

[Colonial]

I think we can afford to lose him

We were always going to lose 1 or 2.

Point remains we have to keep/lock in the others.



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