List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread - Part II

[SSwans2011]

He also may never get anywhere near close to his best again because of injury.

Heeney may also get injured and never get close to his best again.

The clubs have more info than us and based on the discussions, I highly doubt the concerns he will never reach his best again are as strong as they are on here.

 

[The King!]

Eliud Kipchoge would give us some pace

 

[RUNVS]

Heeney may also get injured and never get close to his best again.

The clubs have more info than us and based on the discussions, I highly doubt the concerns he will never reach his best again are as strong as they are on here.

My fear with Heeney is he is never going to be as good as we were all hoping he would be. He is still very much a player who pops up every so often to show how much talent he has and then disappears for large portions of the match. Reminds me a bit of Reid in the first few years.

 

[Ticky009]

Eliud Kipchoge would give us some pace

34 yrs old, King! Got the endurance but have doubts on his ability to break a tackle.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I want the prick because imo he is a gun and when fit whips the floor with guys like lynch , Moore etc , plus he wants to be a swan.

Cant do much if they refuse to trade him.

 

[The King!]

34 yrs old, King! Got the endurance but have doubts on his ability to break a tackle.

they wont catch him, can run all day

cant kick i guess

 

[The King!]

Cant do much if they refuse to trade him.

we could ask nicely,

 

[Membling]

So... can we abort from Daniher trade now knowing they are being disingenuous?

 

[RUNVS]

Cant do much if they refuse to trade him.

It seems pretty clear now that no matter what the Swans offer, no matter how reasonable Essendon are just going to keep upping the asking price. There is no point in continuing the negotiation when all it is doing is holding up other trades.

 

[RUNVS]

So... can we abort from Daniher trade now knowing they are being disingenuous?

Hope so. We need to focus on the Papley and Jones trades, get those through.

 

[caesar88]

they wont catch him, can run all day

cant kick i guess

We're talking about Eliud Kipchoge, not Ryan Clarke.

 

[SSwans2011]

Still can't believe they apparently let the players decide whether he leaves. Imagine if you wanted to leave your workplace for mental health reasons and your boss told you "nah sorry asked your colleagues and they said no". Going to be some awkward locker room conversations at Essendon I suspect.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

It seems pretty clear now that no matter what the Swans offer, no matter how reasonable Essendon are just going to keep upping the asking price. There is no point in continuing the negotiation when all it is doing is holding up other trades.

Lets see if i missed anything from the timeline
5, 25
5, and pick 9 in principle with the Papley trade
5, 25 and a KPF
One of Heeney, Mills, Blakey or Florent + a laud of picks

????

 

[RUNVS]

Still can't believe they apparently let the players decide whether he leaves. Imagine if you wanted to leave your workplace for mental health reasons and your boss told you "nah sorry asked your colleagues and they said no". Going to be some awkward locker room conversations at Essendon I suspect.

Fast way to destroy a culture within a club. It is why I want to trade Papley and Jones away. I don't want to lose them, but culture is so important I don't want players at our club who are disgruntled because we forced them to stay when they did not want to. It is very hard to build a strong culture within a club, and very easy to lose it if a club is not smart and does not keep their players happy.

 

[Wolftone]

The draft definitely has a strong appeal though. Picks 5 and 9 are good picks, and we can really fix some holes in our list using them. Of course that is assuming we don't go after the type of player we have been going after the last few years which is the sort who is a good kick, good user of the ball but can't touch the ball more than 10 times a match.

So you don't like Dawson, av 20, at 87%

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[The King!]

will we get daniher first or will i find the Caramilk Philadelphia cream cheese first

both seem impossible

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

will we get daniher first or will i find the Caramilk Philadelphia cream cheese first

both seem impossible

Its obvious someone from the Essendon camp is leaking to Tom Browne.

 

[RUNVS]

So you don't like Dawson, av 20, at 87%

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Referring to Stoddart and Ling.

 

[Great8]

They are actually embarrassing themselves. Other clubs would be pi**ing themselves at this. Graeme Wright from Hawthorn called that ****wit Dodoro out the other day when he tried to say they don't talk to other club's players and that it doesn't go on. Wright's body language and scoffing at the suggestion in the interview was enough to know that other list managers think this bloke is a complete Dill.

I wouldn’t believe all the media. There is plenty of talk that the two clubs are in dialogue and Dodoro is putting on a brave face to the media whilst being different behind the scenes. Dodoro is telling the media we won’t trade him no matter and acting tough but behind the scenes talks would be progressing.
Most of the list managers all get on very well together and most of the tough talk is just that. Dodoro gets on very well with other LM’s and Paul Connors regularly has mentioned that player managers like working with him aswell.

 

[caesar88]

My fear with Heeney is he is never going to be as good as we were all hoping he would be. He is still very much a player who pops up every so often to show how much talent he has and then disappears for large portions of the match. Reminds me a bit of Reid in the first few years.

Reminds me a bit of Dustin Martin until the age of 25. All the weapons a player could want but can't get them to fire all at once. Then at some point it clicked and he is now quite possibly the most formidable player since Buddy. I believe the most talented guys can sometimes take the longest to develop, because they have the most to work with.

Still of the belief though that he should be a straight-up forward. Leave him one out in the goal square where he can scare the **** out of defenders. Right now it seems like he gets moved around from quarter to quarter depending on where we need him. It's no good for his development because he basically just becomes decent at multiple positions instead of a game-breaking freak in one role.

 

[The King!]

Its obvious someone from the Essendon camp is leaking to Tom Browne.

Yeah and woolies online stock is broken

 

[RUNVS]

Reminds me a bit of Dustin Martin until the age of 25. All the weapons a player could want but can't get them to fire all at once. Then at some point it clicked and he is now quite possibly the most formidable player since Buddy. I believe the most talented guys can sometimes take the longest to develop, because they have the most to work with.

Still of the belief though that he should be a straight-up forward. Leave him one out in the goal square where he can scare the **** out of defenders. Right now it seems like he gets moved around from quarter to quarter depending on where we need him. It's no good for his development because he basically just becomes decent at multiple positions instead of a game-breaking freak in one role.

I am in the opposite camp as I think leaving him in the midfield is the better play. I think we both agree though that throwing him around is not helping him though as it makes it very difficult for him to improve if he can't spend large amounts of time in one position doing one role.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Yeah and woolies online stock is broken

Stock is up tho

 

[Wolftone]

Referring to Stoddart and Ling.

With Ling how do we know. He has managed to get on the park for all of 6 games lol. Stoddart I agree. McInnerney in that boat too a bit

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[caesar88]

I am in the opposite camp as I think leaving him in the midfield is the better play. I think we both agree though that throwing him around is not helping him though as it makes it very difficult for him to improve if he can't spend large amounts of time in one position doing one role.

Fair enough.

I just think he has looked at his most freakish when he's forward, and let's face it, we need him to be a freak because he is basically the poster child of our future team and our most promising prospect (though some might argue the same for Blakey.) An ordinary good mid who tackles and wins the ball, yeah it's fine, and it's desperately what we need, but would that be getting the best out of Heeney? I don't think so.

Imagine you're a defender being isolated one on one with Heeney at full forward. A bloke who might stand on your shoulders and take the mark of the year, or kick a ridiculously class goal out of nothing, or rove a ball from a stoppage and kick a goal, or lay a bone-crunching rugby tackle if you have the ball in his vicinity. That prospect alone would rattle defenders into giving away stupid frees and/or panicking. I can only count on one hand the amount of players in the comp who have that effect and that many weapons close to goal. I would be counting all day the amount of players in the comp who could do what Heeney could do in the middle.