List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Prospects

[dogwatch]

If we're talking players who may realistically be there, McAsey is my number 1. Would love to get Flanders but he surely goes top 5 considering how good his form has been. I still think that Weightman would be a solid pick at our 13 even if it is a little early.

In order of preference for players that could be there at our pick:

• McAsey
• Gould
• Weightman
• Stephens/Sharp (probably about equal to be honest. I would probably take Sharp over Stephens given that Stephens is too similar to Hunter)

I would also expect us to bid on Henry before any others if he's there. Absolutely perfect player for us, but I do concede that Fremantle will match the bid. Just think that if the NGA/FS player is the ideal pick, you should bid and make the club match.

If, by some disaster, all these players are gone and nothing that great slides, I'd hope we look to trade down/out. We don't need more inside mids and half backs. At least Sharp looks to have scope to play on a wing

Looks reasonable VDog. I'd probably be happy with any of those first 3.

The draft is still a month away so I don't pay an awful lot of attention to phantoms and detailed analysis of who we might pick at this early stage. All the same it's interesting to see who people rate even if it's on the assumption that those players would still be there at our pick and that nobody else would slide.

Now we don't know who other clubs rate but it doesn't really matter that much (unless we are aiming to trade up, which I very much doubt). We're just interested in who's left at pick 13. So wouldn't it be a better approach to do a WB draft board (at least for our first round pick) as Nick Austin and Sam Power will no doubt do? That way we can see who else might suddenly scream out "PICK ME!" if he happened to slide unexpectedly. There is at least one slider from the expected top 10 in nearly every draft. I know the likes of Anderson, Rowell and Green are highly improbable but for the sake of clarity and completeness they are easy enough to slot in without having to spend much time thinking about them.

Naturally whatever you list would have to be for the purposes of a WB draftee, not a general AFL draft ranking as many of the pundits are publishing right now. The following is an example (without researching it too deeply). It includes anyone tied to another club that we might choose to bid on:

1. Matt Rowell
2. Noah Anderson
3. Tom Green
4. Sam Flanders
5. Hayden Young
6. Caleb Serong
7. Brodie Kemp
8. Fischer McAsey
9. Lachlan Ash
10. Luke Jackson
11. Will Gould
12. Dylan Stephens
13. Cody Weightman
14. Trent Bianco
15. Trent Rivers
16. Elijah Taylor

The idea of course is that we take the highest player left on the list when it comes to pick 13. I'd probably be happy to take any of those 16 players at pick 13 but if you only rate say 11 players worthy of pick 13 then you just list 11 (implying we then aim to trade #13 for a couple of this year's 2nd rounders or one this year and one for 2020).

Is there anyone in that top 13 you wouldn't take at pick 13?

 

[Wizard17]

Where the hell are people getting this Stephens is too similar to Hunter thing from? Stephens is way more damaging and hits the scoreboard, if he plays like anyone in the AFL it would be one that everyone on here has been wanting a player like, Gaff not Hunter.



Also played SANFL league finals so he could come in as a HF or Wing right away.

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

Where the hell are people getting this Stephens is too similar to Hunter thing from? Stephens is way more damaging and hits the scoreboard, if he plays like anyone in the AFL it would be one that everyone on here has been wanting a player like, Gaff not Hunter.



Also played SANFL league finals so he could come in as a HF or Wing right away.

My issue is more that they're both players with no right foot. Leaves us a little lopsided if our two outside mids are both complete lefties.

 

[Yojimbo]

Where the hell are people getting this Stephens is too similar to Hunter thing from? Stephens is way more damaging and hits the scoreboard, if he plays like anyone in the AFL it would be one that everyone on here has been wanting a player like, Gaff not Hunter.



Also played SANFL league finals so he could come in as a HF or Wing right away.

Perfect for Adelaide at Pick 4, saw the latest weights and he is up 5 kg.

 

[Wizard17]

My issue is more that they're both players with no right foot. Leaves us a little lopsided if our two outside mids are both complete lefties.

I'd understand that reasoning more than saying Stephens is undamaging. When a player can kick multiple goals and get and use the ball like he does it isn't undamaging.

He'd be a steal at our pick if he slides through though tough not to take him considering we need players with his leg speed and skill and he should almost be a lock for top 10.

 

[Wizard17]

Perfect for Adelaide at Pick 4, saw the latest weights and he is up 5 kg.

Either him or Ash I'd say. Leaning towards Ash.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Looks reasonable VDog. I'd probably be happy with any of those first 3.

The draft is still a month away so I don't pay an awful lot of attention to phantoms and detailed analysis of who we might pick at this early stage. All the same it's interesting to see who people rate even if it's on the assumption that those players would still be there at our pick and that nobody else would slide.

Now we don't know who other clubs rate but it doesn't really matter that much (unless we are aiming to trade up, which I very much doubt). We're just interested in who's left at pick 13. So wouldn't it be a better approach to do a WB draft board (at least for our first round pick) as Nick Austin and Sam Power will no doubt do? That way we can see who else might suddenly scream out "PICK ME!" if he happened to slide unexpectedly. There is at least one slider from the expected top 10 in nearly every draft. I know the likes of Anderson, Rowell and Green are highly improbable but for the sake of clarity and completeness they are easy enough to slot in without having to spend much time thinking about them.

Naturally whatever you list would have to be for the purposes of a WB draftee, not a general AFL draft ranking as many of the pundits are publishing right now. The following is an example (without researching it too deeply). It includes anyone tied to another club that we might choose to bid on:

1. Matt Rowell
2. Noah Anderson
3. Tom Green
4. Sam Flanders
5. Hayden Young
6. Caleb Serong
7. Brodie Kemp
8. Fischer McAsey
9. Lachlan Ash
10. Luke Jackson
11. Will Gould
12. Dylan Stephens
13. Cody Weightman
14. Trent Bianco
15. Trent Rivers
16. Elijah Taylor

The idea of course is that we take the highest player left on the list when it comes to pick 13. I'd probably be happy to take any of those 16 players at pick 13 but if you only rate say 11 players worthy of pick 13 then you just list 11 (implying we then aim to trade #13 for a couple of this year's 2nd rounders or one this year and one for 2020).

Is there anyone in that top 13 you wouldn't take at pick 13?

Mine

1 Noah Anderson
2 Matthew Rowell
3 Brodie Kemp
4 Sam Flanders
5 Lachlan Ash
6 Tom Green
7 Hayden Young
8 Fischer McAsey
9 Caleb Serong
10 Dylan Williams
11 Liam Henry
12 Dylan Stephens
13 Luke Jackson
14 Will Gould
15 Josh Worrell
16 Cody Weightman

 

[Wizard17]

Mine

1 Noah Anderson
2 Matthew Rowell
3 Brodie Kemp
4 Sam Flanders
5 Lachlan Ash
6 Tom Green
7 Hayden Young
8 Fischer McAsey
9 Caleb Serong
10 Dylan Williams
11 Liam Henry
12 Dylan Stephens
13 Luke Jackson
14 Will Gould
15 Josh Worrell
16 Cody Weightman

Think you'd be able to get Williams in the second round not with our first. I'd be considering trading with Norf if Stephens, McAsey and Weightman where gone though and try and nab him with one of them.

 

[Yojimbo]

Either him or Ash I'd say. Leaning towards Ash.

I like Ash too, just went with the local boy. 3 to 10 is going to be really interesting some quality there.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Think you'd be able to get Williams in the second round not with our first. I'd be considering trading with Norf if Stephens, McAsey and Weightman where gone though and try and nab him with one of them.

I wouldn't risk it. I said a little while ago I reckon we'll start hearing teams are willing to go higher on him than is expected, and since then I've already heard Port are looking at him with their first. If (for the sake of argument) the Dogs board is they same as mine, and they like him 10th best, I really hope they'd just take him if there and not risk it.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Think you'd be able to get Williams in the second round not with our first. I'd be considering trading with Norf if Stephens, McAsey and Weightman where gone though and try and nab him with one of them.

Do you have a view on why we were so keen to keep 13? Just because we want to add another first round/best available or do you think there’s someone specific we think might slide or someone we love that no else is really looking at that high?

 

[hatescaptcha]

Would be awesome if Ash dropped to us. I know we don’t need anymore half back’s but he could also play wing/mid. That dash and those skills in our side, would be dynamite. But unlikely to happen.


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[goodcop badcop]

I'd understand that reasoning more than saying Stephens is undamaging. When a player can kick multiple goals and get and use the ball like he does it isn't undamaging.

He'd be a steal at our pick if he slides through though tough not to take him considering we need players with his leg speed and skill and he should almost be a lock for top 10.

I'm with you, I wouldn't call him undamaging. He's got more leg speed and more penetration in his kicking then Hunter. I'd be surprised if he's still available at 13.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I'd understand that reasoning more than saying Stephens is undamaging. When a player can kick multiple goals and get and use the ball like he does it isn't undamaging.

He'd be a steal at our pick if he slides through though tough not to take him considering we need players with his leg speed and skill and he should almost be a lock for top 10.

I was of the understanding that for an outside player his speed and footskills weren't actually that great. Not weaknesses, sure, but for someone who plays outside you'd want him to be elite in at least one of those. It's kept me from being that keen on him despite him being talked up as the best outside player. What makes people so high on him?

 

[Doggstats]

Where the hell are people getting this Stephens is too similar to Hunter thing from? Stephens is way more damaging and hits the scoreboard, if he plays like anyone in the AFL it would be one that everyone on here has been wanting a player like, Gaff not Hunter.



Also played SANFL league finals so he could come in as a HF or Wing right away.

Yea he looks to have a lot more acceleration and penetration than Hunter does.

Got a bit of a Whitfield vibe about him (other than the lefty part).

 

[Yojimbo]

I was of the understanding that for an outside player his speed and footskills weren't actually that great. Not weaknesses, sure, but for someone who plays outside you'd want him to be elite in at least one of those. It's kept me from being that keen on him despite him being talked up as the best outside player. What makes people so high on him?

Speed 2.97, Endurance 6.01 2km, good yo yo and agility, I think he has good upside despite being light although
up to 74 kg now. His movement reminds me of the NT boy who went to Brisbane in 2018 Zac Bailey.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I was of the understanding that for an outside player his speed and footskills weren't actually that great. Not weaknesses, sure, but for someone who plays outside you'd want him to be elite in at least one of those. It's kept me from being that keen on him despite him being talked up as the best outside player. What makes people so high on him?

Well Gaff isn’t elite at any of those traits. Elite endurance for a winger is more the requirement which is what he does have. And Stephens is a top class all round athlete with top ten finishes in speed, endurance and agility. Very few have done that.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Hunter has elite endurance. I recall he had a crazy VO2 max. Stephens looks to have more burst/pace than Huntef in that highlights vid.

 

[dergert]

Cody hirst plz

 

[stefoid]

I'd understand that reasoning more than saying Stephens is undamaging. When a player can kick multiple goals and get and use the ball like he does it isn't undamaging.

He'd be a steal at our pick if he slides through though tough not to take him considering we need players with his leg speed and skill and he should almost be a lock for top 10.

on only that vision, im not sure. seems purely a receiver, and a couple of terrible handball decisions when confronted. I like what he can do under no pressure, but can he still do it in high pressure situations that you have seen?

 

[Mofra]

My issue is more that they're both players with no right foot. Leaves us a little lopsided if our two outside mids are both complete lefties.

Hunter has one of the largest VO2 Max scores in the competition. In any given draft year there might be 1 or 2 players that could match him in that department. Maybe. It's unfair to compare kids to him given his forte is different to what most of us look at when assessing the kids.

In terms of 'unrewarded running', you have Whitfield, Scully, Hunter and Brad Hill with not many in the same category. Hugh McCluggage is more damaging but is still getting to that level of running capacity.

 

[Mofra]

Do you have a view on why we were so keen to keep 13? Just because we want to add another first round/best available or do you think there’s someone specific we think might slide or someone we love that no else is really looking at that high?

An uneducated guess - someone specific. IIRC we didn't even consider sliding down to 18 as part of the Bruce deal.

 

[VitalDread]

Didn't realize that Cody Hirst got delisted, would def pick him up in the draft

 

[Virgin Dog]

Looks reasonable VDog. I'd probably be happy with any of those first 3.

The draft is still a month away so I don't pay an awful lot of attention to phantoms and detailed analysis of who we might pick at this early stage. All the same it's interesting to see who people rate even if it's on the assumption that those players would still be there at our pick and that nobody else would slide.

Now we don't know who other clubs rate but it doesn't really matter that much (unless we are aiming to trade up, which I very much doubt). We're just interested in who's left at pick 13. So wouldn't it be a better approach to do a WB draft board (at least for our first round pick) as Nick Austin and Sam Power will no doubt do? That way we can see who else might suddenly scream out "PICK ME!" if he happened to slide unexpectedly. There is at least one slider from the expected top 10 in nearly every draft. I know the likes of Anderson, Rowell and Green are highly improbable but for the sake of clarity and completeness they are easy enough to slot in without having to spend much time thinking about them.

Naturally whatever you list would have to be for the purposes of a WB draftee, not a general AFL draft ranking as many of the pundits are publishing right now. The following is an example (without researching it too deeply). It includes anyone tied to another club that we might choose to bid on:

1. Matt Rowell
2. Noah Anderson
3. Tom Green
4. Sam Flanders
5. Hayden Young
6. Caleb Serong
7. Brodie Kemp
8. Fischer McAsey
9. Lachlan Ash
10. Luke Jackson
11. Will Gould
12. Dylan Stephens
13. Cody Weightman
14. Trent Bianco
15. Trent Rivers
16. Elijah Taylor

The idea of course is that we take the highest player left on the list when it comes to pick 13. I'd probably be happy to take any of those 16 players at pick 13 but if you only rate say 11 players worthy of pick 13 then you just list 11 (implying we then aim to trade #13 for a couple of this year's 2nd rounders or one this year and one for 2020).

Is there anyone in that top 13 you wouldn't take at pick 13?

Mine

1 Noah Anderson
2 Matthew Rowell
3 Brodie Kemp
4 Sam Flanders
5 Lachlan Ash
6 Tom Green
7 Hayden Young
8 Fischer McAsey
9 Caleb Serong
10 Dylan Williams
11 Liam Henry
12 Dylan Stephens
13 Luke Jackson
14 Will Gould
15 Josh Worrell
16 Cody Weightman

I like the idea, would be great to see a sub average rankings. Here's our 3 lists in a table to compare:

PICK	dogwatch	CaptainMurphy	Virgin Dog
1	Matt Rowell	Noah Anderson	Matthew Rowell
2	Noah Anderson	Matthew Rowell	Noah Anderson
3	Tom Green	Brodie Kemp	Hayden Young
4	Sam Flanders	Sam Flanders	Tom Green
5	Hayden Young	Lachlan Ash	Sam Flanders
6	Caleb Serong	Tom Green	Brodie Kemp
7	Brodie Kemp	Hayden Young	Lachlan Ash
8	Fischer McAsey	Fischer McAsey	Liam Henry
9	Lachlan Ash	Caleb Serong	Will Gould
10	Luke Jackson	Dylan Williams	Fischer McAsey
11	Will Gould	Liam Henry	Caleb Serong
12	Dylan Stephens	Dylan Stephens	Cody Weightman
13	Cody Weightman	Luke Jackson	Jeremy Sharp
14	Trent Bianco	Will Gould	Dylan Stephens
15	Trent Rivers	Josh Worrell	Luke Jackson
16	Elijah Taylor	Cody Weightman	Josh Worrell

 

[Yojimbo]

Didn't realize that Cody Hirst got delisted, would def pick him up in the draft

Of his 12 Games in the NEAFL for the Swans that netted 9 Goals in total, it is hard to decide which one has the
most highlights. Only sixty Goals behind Matt Hammelmann (my boy), actually he is not my boy the only
player I drafted from the NEAFL this year was Angus Baker.