List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[Ben Drever]

Nice article.

Already noted though pretty much

The struggling Suns: Where it all went wrong, and how to fix it

Season 2019 was another horror year for Gold Coast, which finished bottom of the ladder. ESPN's draft expert Chris Doerre has looked at how the club with so much promise got it all so wrong, and how it might be fixed.

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[briztoon]

1) without GC multiple pick you can do nothing about it. Stop that garbage is you not me. I said you use GC multiple pick and turn to your advantage and get those players.
2) you should go back to Brisbane board if you keep suggesting GCS upgrading their pick and then said nobody want to come to GCS, you are worse than troll, go around everyboard and try to sell Collingwood first Rd and GC second Rd pick asking other club to upgrade their pick.
-you not only trying it HERE IN GC board, Fremantle board, main board acting like a draft expert.
If I am GC recruitment team I would just pick the Brisbane academy players you mention in the draft board with lower pick.

1)Every club manœuvres picks at draft time. We did a lot of pick trades last year. We weren't dependant solely on the pick trades with GC.

But you keep referencing last years draft as if we used all the GC picks to draft the kids we drafted. We didn't.

2)I haven't said you won't be able to trade anyone in. I said "if you don't trade any best 22 players in"

There's no trolling going on by me here. Just genuine discussion, and in regards to your post, strong disagreement and a belief your using a false narrative.

Nor have I tried discussing a pick swap with the Collingwood and GC picks we hold. Yes I discussed it on the Fremantle board, because they mentioned it first before I commented.

Yes I have discussed it on the main board, because that's what the main board is for, general discussion.

I don't act like anymore of a draft expert than you.

 

[Jirik13]

It looks like Boswell sees Ah Chee's situation like me. Let's see what our list management does. I don't hold my breath.

GOLD Coast must play hardball for departing young player Callum Ah Chee or risk being the whipping boys of the AFL in another off-season.
Speculation suggests Brisbane have offered Ah Chee a long-term deal and are poised to package up picks 32 and 42 in exchange for the 21-year-old.
If it happens it would be an enormous win for the Lions and an even bigger blow to the Suns who are also set to lose Jack Martin.
They must demand more from Brisbane than two late picks and be prepared to send Ah Chee to the draft should they not get a valid deal.

Ah Chee is from Western Australian but there is no “go-home” factor in his case.
Ah Chee wants to head up the road to Brisbane in what is could be considered more of a slap in the face to the Suns.
But the question has to be asked, would Ah Chee want to go to Brisbane if they were still on the bottom of the ladder with the Suns? There is no doubt the lure of more success can play a big part.

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[kreglze]

Interesting take. Pick 32 does nothing for us, and I can see us being reluctant to send him up there for pick 32.

 

[OB11]

It looks like Boswell sees Ah Chee's situation like me. Let's see what our list management does. I don't hold my breath.

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Whiting wrote about the late picks being enough. He has his tounge so far up the Lions asses he can taste their breakfast.

 

[Jirik13]

Nice article.

Already noted though pretty much

The struggling Suns: Where it all went wrong, and how to fix it

Season 2019 was another horror year for Gold Coast, which finished bottom of the ladder. ESPN's draft expert Chris Doerre has looked at how the club with so much promise got it all so wrong, and how it might be fixed.

www.espn.com.au

The issue I have with Doerre is that he does not acknowledge the changes Suns made in the last couple of years. Look at our draftees the last 2 years and how they are developing. Ballard, Powell exceeded all expectations. Looking at Lukosius and Kings both developed nicely as the season progressed. One experienced player of Hodge caliber would be fantastic but there is only one Hodge. The key is welfare, development coaches, club environment for draftees development and Suns made significant progress in this area recently.

 

[Jirik13]

Whiting wrote about the late picks being enough. He has his tounge so far up the Lions asses he can taste their breakfast.

In afl.com.au articles he's usually ok but I listened to a couple of his podcasts with Hamilton and he dropped to Hamilton level several times when talking about Suns. I remember recently he congratulated Hammilton on a great piece of journalism when he broke Crossley's story and that we can't trust Suns anymore as Suns had Crossley out for personal reasons. Boswell on the other hand you can see he cares about Suns.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Interesting take. Pick 32 does nothing for us, and I can see us being reluctant to send him up there for pick 32.

By the time FA compo, NGA academy, father son and our possible priority pick finishes up, then this becomes closer to 40. Their pick 19 as it stands will prob end up 23-24 and looks to be the one.

 

[gcsunsfc]

The issue I have with Doerre is that he does not acknowledge the changes Suns made in the last couple of years. Look at our draftees the last 2 years and how they are developing. Ballard, Powell exceeded all expectations. Looking at Lukosius and Kings both developed nicely as the season progressed. One experienced player of Hodge caliber would be fantastic but there is only one Hodge. The key is welfare, development coaches, club environment for draftees development and Suns made significant progress in this area recently.

His writing has improved a bit.
Wrote like a high-schooler in his first few outings with ESPN.
Better now.

He really despises the Suns - potentially because some his favourite players haven't turned out like he hoped..
"Worst list in history" was one of his calls.

Was Charlie Dixon highly rates as he stated?
Would suggest Sexton, Witts, Macpherson amongst others have out clearly exceeded expectations. He chose the options that had departed though.

 

[Peel67skin]

By the time FA compo, NGA academy, father son and our possible priority pick finishes up, then this becomes closer to 40. Their pick 19 as it stands will prob end up 23-24 and looks to be the one.

Can still pick Ballard type or mature age if you want do around 40+, but one of Brisbane poster said mature age no good this year and the draft is not as deep as last year, draft more top 15 but only willing to give up 3rd round pick for ah chee.

 

[Jirik13]

His writing has improved a bit.
Wrote like a high-schooler in his first few outings with ESPN.
Better now.

He really despises the Suns - potentially because some his favourite players haven't turned out like he hoped..
"Worst list in history" was one of his calls.

Was Charlie Dixon highly rates as he stated?
Would suggest Sexton, Witts, Macpherson amongst others have out clearly exceeded expectations. He chose the options that had departed though.

I had a couple of chats with him on his thread and yes, he can see nothing positive regarding Suns. No young players developing properly. His most stupid idea was that Suns have to get Johnson with 5 ACLs for his leadership qualities. He supports Pies and even wanted Johnson going there before he decided he would be perfect fit for Suns.

 

[Stroppy]

Until we turn things around and our young players both stay healthy and get a lot lot better overtime, people can say what they like and there will be more than a grain of truth in it. Got to turn a few of these top 10 picks into top 100 and top 50 players.

 

[gcsunsfc]

By the time FA compo, NGA academy, father son and our possible priority pick finishes up, then this becomes closer to 40. Their pick 19 as it stands will prob end up 23-24 and looks to be the one.

With Budarick probably rated 30-50 we don't want a pick around 40.
No benefits gained for him being an academy product.
If we get that pick we should be trading it for another player.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

With Budarick probably rated 30-50 we don't want a pick around 40.
No benefits gained for him being an academy product.
If we get that pick we should be trading it for another player.

Hopefully our presentation to the AFL included our academy kids and not having to match offers.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Until we turn things around and our young players both stay healthy and get a lot lot better overtime, people can say what they like and there will be more than a grain of truth in it. Got to turn a few of these top 10 picks into top 100 and top 50 players.

I agree with you on that.
We can have guys with no expectations turn into best 10 players on our team.

But unless we have players turning into stars in the comp - we won't be going anywhere near finals.
You only have to look at the coaches votes to see where we fall down there -well and truly below all other teams.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

With Budarick probably rated 30-50 we don't want a pick around 40.
No benefits gained for him being an academy product.
If we get that pick we should be trading it for another player.

You don't see any benefit in having picks to match Budarick with? Noting that pick 54 may not be enough to match him with if he's bid inside the first 35?

He really despises the Suns - potentially because some his favourite players haven't turned out like he hoped..
"Worst list in history" was one of his calls.

That seems a little strong. He isn't wrong that many players with talent failed to develop and that the Suns had a weak list this year. Nor was he alone in suggesting they had the weakest list in the past 20 years. Not sure how that adds up to "despises the Suns" when you consider there are dozens of media figures and BF posters that literally don't want the Suns to exist.

 

[gcsunsfc]

You don't see any benefit in having picks to match Budarick with? Noting that pick 54 may not be enough to match him with if he's bid inside the first 35?


That seems a little strong. He isn't wrong that many players with talent failed to develop and that the Suns had a weak list this year. Nor was he alone in suggesting they had the weakest list in the past 20 years. Not sure how that adds up to "despises the Suns" when you consider there are dozens of media figures and BF posters that literally don't want the Suns to exist.

I'm saying we can use a much later pick to match with him as you identified.
We've got Richmond's third round for that I think.
Brisbane's pick 32 (becomes ~40) would be wasted if a bid comes for him before that - we can essentially do the same job with pick 50 something.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I'm saying we can use a much later pick to match with him as you identified.
We've got Richmond's third round for that I think.
Brisbane's pick 32 (becomes ~40) would be wasted if a bid comes for him before that - we can essentially do the same job with pick 50 something.

Except it doesn't. Pick 54 has a value of 220 points (and it will be pushed back anyway). Factoring in the fixed discount of 197 points, that still wouldn't cover the 522 points that pick 35 would cost for a bid to be matched. You'd take a deficit into round 2 of next year if you didn't get another pick with points value.

 

[SunnerSS]

Except it doesn't. Pick 54 has a value of 220 points (and it will be pushed back anyway). Factoring in the fixed discount of 197 points, that still wouldn't cover the 522 points that pick 35 would cost for a bid to be matched. You'd take a deficit into round 2 of next year if you didn't get another pick with points value.

from what im hearing one of the concessions the club will receive will be to not have to match bids for academy players.

 

[Peel67skin]

Except it doesn't. Pick 54 has a value of 220 points (and it will be pushed back anyway). Factoring in the fixed discount of 197 points, that still wouldn't cover the 522 points that pick 35 would cost for a bid to be matched. You'd take a deficit into round 2 of next year if you didn't get another pick with points value.

Not all team going to delist players as much as GCS, if they do there might be a few available for GCS as delisted free agent. Push up or down every team need to finalise their list before draft night.

Eg if Brisbane want to keep players then they might not used all the draft pick available. Also I had a strong feeling that anything outside top 30, GCS not require to match. The new rule for WA and SA NGA academy players. ( not sure when it will be implemented).

 

[Jirik13]

I would be very surprised if there is a bid on Budarick within the first 35. 50+ more likely. His performance dropped significantly in the second half of the season. I did not like his kick in NEAFL, a lot of mistakes. Davies on the other hand looked great. I can't wait for him to be drafted in 2020.

 

[TheSunGod]

Hopefully our presentation to the AFL included our academy kids and not having to match offers.

Apparently it did.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

from what im hearing one of the concessions the club will receive will be to not have to match bids for academy players.

Good to hear. That means you can be sure pick 32 won't be wasted if it's traded in the Ah Chee deal. Unless I'm mistaken, Ballard went with a later pick than that, so it's possible to get a decent player with that selection.

 

[Peel67skin]

I heard the presentation include alignment with the now disbanded NT thunder. So there will be a few more quality mature body for NEAFL matches that are not in AFL list or in Rookie B list that not included in GCS salary cap. Something like Brisbane reality star Eagles where Brisbane keen to keep him as rookie B. Contingency plan for LTI and leader for their NEAFL team.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Good to hear. That means you can be sure pick 32 won't be wasted if it's traded in the Ah Chee deal. Unless I'm mistaken, Ballard went with a later pick than that, so it's possible to get a decent player with that selection.

Glad Ah Chee's talent gives us the possibility of getting a decent player.
EDIT - a 21 year old