Discussion 2019 General AFL Discussion

[VDS66]

Publicly the search was limited to Longmire and Simpson, and Clarkson.
No from all three evidently.
Then what about any other potential candidates?
You’d think they’d at least ask the question, if only to gauge interest.
Measure the desirability of North as a destination club.
Get some third hand, independent and knowledgeable analysis of their list at no cost?
Plus, why do it now, what’s the rush?
It’s not like Shaw is going anywhere before the end of the year.

Good luck to them, but I hope we do go through the process.
If only to measure our desirability as a destination, and to get independent list assessments.
Even if Ratts is a lock.
You never know what you might discover.

how do you know they haven't asked around already.

Would be naive to think they haven't.

This whole panel exercise is over rated IMO.

Didn't an expert panel appoint Bolton?

There's no guarantees in this business.

If I was an aspiring coach, I would ask my manager to approach the club and sound it out.

If I was the club, I would be putting the word put to all coaching managers.

It's no different to sounding out players.

 

[Pardon me]

What if they were never interested in RTB?

I think some fans place too much emphasis on the whole panel charade...

Fair argument mate, RTB was a placeholder name and a point of contention to drive home a view.
It’s just my opinion that they rushed the whole deal with Shaw and neglected a proper process.
Purely based on timings.

 

[VDS66]

Publicly the search was limited to Longmire and Simpson, and Clarkson.
No from all three evidently.
Then what about any other potential candidates?
You’d think they’d at least ask the question, if only to gauge interest.
Measure the desirability of North as a destination club.
Get some third hand, independent and knowledgeable analysis of their list at no cost?
Plus, why do it now, what’s the rush?
It’s not like Shaw is going anywhere before the end of the year.

Good luck to them, but I hope we do go through the process.
If only to measure our desirability as a destination, and to get independent list assessments.
Even if Ratts is a lock.
You never know what you might discover.

What's the point of measuring our desirability as a destination club for a coach? A totally non productive task.

As for list assessment, how would an outside know much about our list? Surely they would have more important things to do at their own club?

 

[Pardon me]

Publicly the search was limited to Longmire and Simpson, and Clarkson.
No from all three evidently.
Then what about any other potential candidates?
You’d think they’d at least ask the question, if only to gauge interest.
Measure the desirability of North as a destination club.
Get some third hand, independent and knowledgeable analysis of their list at no cost?
Plus, why do it now, what’s the rush?
It’s not like Shaw is going anywhere before the end of the year.

Good luck to them, but I hope we do go through the process.
If only to measure our desirability as a destination, and to get independent list assessments.
Even if Ratts is a lock.
You never know what you might discover.

No I completely agree Sunny. I think they were forced to accept Shaw from a supporter pov. Purely a guess on my part but I raise an eyebrow that they did a thorough review before seasons end and all potential candidates are available

 

[VDS66]

Fair argument mate, RTB was a placeholder name and a point of contention to drive home a view.
It’s just my opinion that they rushed the whole deal with Shaw and neglected a proper process.
Purely based on timings.

I think they were shocked at what they found once he took over IMO.

 

[Pardon me]

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I think they were shocked at what they found once he took over IMO.

Yeah but as other placeholder coaches have proven there’s a fair amount of dead cat bounce - hence my raised eyebrow at appointing Shaw before seasons end and all available candidates have put forth a case

 

[VDS66]

No I completely agree Sunny. I think they were forced to accept Shaw from a supporter pov. Purely a guess on my part but I raise an eyebrow that they did a thorough review before seasons end and all potential candidates are available

Well if they appointed the coach based on supporter opinion then they deserve to fold IMO.

I honestly doubt that happened. It would have been based on the players and their observations of him in the hot seat.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

Might have to pay out 2 coaches at this rate

 

[Pardon me]

Well if they appointed the coach based on supporter opinion then they deserve to fold IMO.

I honestly doubt that happened. It would have been based on the players and their observations of him in the hot seat.

I’m concerned they placed a higher weighting on the current performances and supporter view though mate. I honestly hope the saints don’t fall for the same trap.
Until proven otherwise I reckon - and it’s purely an opinion - they fail under Shaw

 

[VDS66]

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Yeah but as other placeholder coaches have proven there’s a fair amount of dead cat bounce - hence my raised eyebrow at appointing Shaw before seasons end and all available candidates have put forth a case

That assumes that they don't have enough competence to identify a suitable coach.

They are also doing it after a few losses as well as wins, so they aren't seduced by a dead cat bounce.

If anything they can now start planning for next year and the trade period well in advance. Smart move.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Do you honestly believe they would not have already sounded out potential candidates via their respective managers?

Are they supposed to run an advert and pour through resumes etc?

I'm certain that North had a fair idea of might have been interested. They also would have had their wishlist.

Yes, others were interviewed.

 

[Pardon me]

That assumes that they don't have enough competence to identify a suitable coach.

They are also doing it after a few losses as well as wins, so they aren't seduced by a dead cat bounce.

Yeah, that’s a fair argument mate and makes it hard to contest. I just don’t think they did due diligence- call it Mabo

 

[VDS66]

I’m concerned they placed a higher weighting on the current performances and supporter view though mate. I honestly hope the saints don’t fall for the same trap.
Until proven otherwise I reckon - and it’s purely an opinion - they fail under Shaw

I get your angle 100%

IMO just because you don't have a formal interview process of all prospective candidates, narrow it down etc etc, doesn't mean you havent researched it.

I'll bet Carlton wont interview more than 2 or 3 of their preferred candidates.

If I'm looking to recruit from within my industry, I will already have an idea of who I want, and then sound them.out.

 

[sunny3193]

how do you know they haven't asked around already.

Would be naive to think they haven't.

This whole panel exercise is over rated IMO.

Didn't an expert panel appoint Bolton?

There's no guarantees in this business.

If I was an aspiring coach, I would ask my manager to approach the club and sound it out.

If I was the club, I would be putting the word put to all coaching managers.

It's no different to sounding out players.

I don’t know.
Quite possibly/probably they have.
But if I was the club, irrespective, I’d be really interested in ensuring transparency in our coaching selection.
For the members.
For the media.
For the potential candidates.
For the ultimately successful appointee.
Best way of doing that is following the process that they have now publicly put out there.
Because transparency ensures the best possible outcome for the club.
And it demonstrates professionalism in the way we manage our business.

I think you’re missing a couple of other issues.
An informal search is not going to garner any of the above attributes.
It’s also not going to provide a vehicle for correctly measuring if the St Kilda FC is a desirable destination. We need to speak with candidates to determine that.
It’s not going to provide a vehicle for correctly measuring why/why not that may be the case. See above.
And it’s also not going to provide the vehicle for free, third hand, multiple, independent, and knowledgeable assessments of our list.
That last one is the one I’m probably most interested in getting right.

Note that none of the above has anything to do with who is finally chosen.

 

[gringo2011]

So frustrating seeing those numbers from Worpel. I know it’s a harry hindsight call and I was yelling out Constable’s name when our pick came around but FFS we should’ve drafted him. Clav over Worpel really sums up our rebuild.

I tried to tell people he was good.

 

[StFly]

Do you honestly believe they would not have already sounded out potential candidates via their respective managers?

Are they supposed to run an advert and pour through resumes etc?

I'm certain that North had a fair idea of might have been interested. They also would have had their wishlist.

I don't believe enough time has passed since Scotts "removal" for it to be robust enough for my liking, that is all.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

I tried to tell people he was good.

Dunno how he slipped so far. Was one of the best just had slightly dodgy kicking.

 

[gringo2011]

Dunno how he slipped so far. Was one of the best just had slightly dodgy kicking.

I think some said he was one dimensional because he was so inside.

 

[BrutThough]

I think some said he was one dimensional because he was so inside.

also thought he had hit his ceiling and wouldn't get any better while others had huge amount of growth

 

[Pardon me]

I get your angle 100%

IMO just because you don't have a formal interview process of all prospective candidates, narrow it down etc etc, doesn't mean you have researched it.

I'll get Carlton wont interview more than 2 or 3 of their preferred candidates.

If I'm looking to recruit from within my industry, I will already have an idea of who I want, and then sound them.out.

Fair point mate. Can’t argue anything there

 

[plugger66]

I tried to tell people he was good.

Ok

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

Does Ben Brown actually do anything other than flop around for free kicks

 

[SaintersUnite]

That Auskick kid at half time was a gem, very well spoken and polite. Good on him.

Ben Brown is still a shit flop of an AFL player, if you want proof just watch that contest with Sicily in the second quarter where he dives to the ground after a little hip and shoulder

 

[Hayes4PM]

Hawf are about to drop this game. Let the 8-9 win log jam continue I say.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Oh boy, North Melbourne have got a lot of flopping, stagers. #shinbonerspirit ?????