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Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

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Also worth noting that we can be "close" to finishing the rebuild while playing finals.

Getting all the pieces isn't necessary to make the top 8 - just about every side has gaps in their spread of players, either through injury or recruitment strategy or form.

As you've said - small forward(s), mature mid, mid-20s ruck, small defender - that's the "shopping list". Knock over 2+ of those this off-season, adding to natural development and improvement of the rest of the list, and we should be pushing for a finals berth. Getting the others this off-season doesn't take us to a flag next year, there's still plenty of development to happen first, so we can address those areas of need with quality acquisitions at the end of next year and it doesn't make much difference in the grand scheme.

I've got small forward high on my list predominantly because I think our talls need to learn to play with a quality crumber at their feet. The back-up ruck I think is the other "urgent" one, as we'd prefer them to spend a bit of time training with our mids and with Kreuzer before having to rely on them. A mid can slot in whenever, a defensive runner can slot in whenever. Focus on the positions that we need to develop more synergy with this off-season.

If the opportunity presents to cover all 4 roles, even better, but I'm OK with it taking another two draft/trade periods.

Pretty spot on, improvement has to come from young player improvement and there is a heap of scope there for improvement and we are witnessing that this year with the footy the 2015 drafted players are playing. I think with some good recruiting we can really jump because we should get more out of the young players next season.

I have ruck as low priority, the ruck we recruit will be recruited as backup. Kreuzer is still going to be playing for another season or two at least and we already have a young ruck who's nearly developed enough to play AFL and play that role really well and Phillips is good enough and young enough to go around again and for a few years to come as that 3rd in line ruckman so it's not urgent. Not with DeKoning being ahead of schedule and looking really promising as a ruckman.

Small forward is an obvious one but I wouldn't expect a massive improvement from a small forward or two as our scoring has been really good the last month under Teague without any small forwards of note but it can always be better. I think it's the other way round, small forwards need to learn to play with our big boys, not the other way round. I can see how a good small forward or two will be really good offensively and defensively though.

Our midfield has been ok recently but we've had an easy run, it's going to be tested when we play a handful of really good sides soon and there are a couple of 30 year olds (give or take) in there who are doing a lot. That's not sustainable. Cripps, Ed and Murphy are doing most of the center stuff which is good but they aren't rotating much and that's not ideal. This hasn't been exposed much but the good sides will. We need another mature gun in amongst these three.

Quick running defender is fairly solid on my list. No guarantee Docherty and/or Williamson are going get going. Thomas is in his 30s and Simpson in his late 30s. Newman was a good get but I feel we need another for security. In reserve there is only Schumacher and he hasn't really pushed for selection yet. It's not super high priority as SPS and Stocker might be pushing for a spot in defence.

It's really not a lot when you think about it, we're in a good position here and the next few seasons like every season are going to be massive.

It's also really important our older guys can hang on.

If we got to a point where we have added a gun mid and a couple of good small forwards then we go from rebuilding to list management where we focus on replacing outgoing players. One more year out of Simpson would be huge. Murphy, Curnow, Kreuzer playing three more really good seasons would be massive for us. Just gives us time to replace these guys one at a time, not all at once.

I thinks another two draft/trade/free agent periods will definitely get the job done and coincide with most of our players being mature and between 22-30 and if our old boys hang on until then then even better. We could really explode in a big way. We recruit well we might just do what Brisbane have done.

Make no mistake people in the media like Nick Riewoldt keep talking us up and pumping up our list, we are playing decent footy and if we keep playing good footy and really take it to a few top sides potential recruits are going to take notice. Make no mistake, someone like Nick Newman will be talking to Papley and pumping up the idea of coming to us. Things will happen fast and we're doing the right things at the moment to make that happen.
 
Papley on 600K is better than needing a number of Dylan Shiels or key position players who would cost more. I actually think we might get him for less. I don't know what Charlie Cameron got but it probably wasn't huge money despite how good he is. Dahlhaus... I don't know what they are on but Papley would be similar.

Not sure those guys will get that sort of money. We need them anyway so already having them probably means we don't overpay. Already got Curnow and alike, would hate to see how much we would pay trying to bring in a player like that.

We are on a level playing field with the Bulldogs I would think. There's always competition when it comes to recruiting good mature players. Doesn't matter, we're always going to have holes that need to be filled with mature players towards the end of a rebuild, same rule applies to every club. End of the day a Papley is not going to cost what a premium mid or tall would cost. That's been proven plenty of times.

A Harry Cunningham, Tomlinson, Langdon. We have the same chances of landing a Papley or squeezing some smalls our of Richmond as we do getting them and I bet the former will cost more or as much. Those players would cost somewhere similar to decent good small forwards and they aren't top players. Not sure you want too many just adequate players in your midfield.

Drafting them is valid, we spend earlier picks and what have you and if our recruiting team is any good and I believe it is, we will do alright. I think we will take a few from all avenues. Seems every year there's a team or two doing well with bringing in small forwards who can play from other clubs. Brisbane, Geelong etc.

Premierships don't come easy, you have to earn them and do a bloody good job building a list and we're pretty close. So yeah we will have to be good and I believe we are, that's all part of it really. You don't win a flag if you aren't good, so we have to be good.

Dow, Fisher, SPS and LOB not playing midfield is normal for young developing players, in good sides they develop their players in the reserves and on the flanks etc. We finally look normal with how we have structured under Teague. We don't know what other positions these guys will develop into, a lot of good backs start as mids, some small forwards start as mids. We'll need them when Simpson, Murphy, Curnow, Thomas start dropping off and some of them just don't work out and fail. Numbers are right I believe though I feel we need a really good and versatile centerman.

Ideally you need some mids on the bench a mid who can play forward resting there and a mid who can play back 7 mids and a couple who sometimes can go through there is not uncommon in a good side. A couple who can play mid/forward and mid/back is more than useful in a side and hopefully we have some develop that way. High half forward or plus 1 is important as is the defensive equivalent.

Not only this but we will need good mids in the reserves who can come in when there are injuries. Going on the numbers I would be trying to recruit a high level mid for that group.

We simply can not have all the players we need at this stage in our rebuild. We're far better off that we don't require too many more midfielders or backmen or talls because end of the day it's been proven again and again that rebuilding sides, when the time comes to get a midfielder or get small forwards or get a ruck they can and maybe this is what separates the top sides from the also rans in finals. Either way our opportunity is now.

We need a gun mature mid, a gun mature small forward, some young small forwards from wither the draft or overflow from a club like Richmond or both and lesser priority a backup ruckman, preferable a young one with potential and an attacking smaller defender. That's what we need to go forward. Then it's about building our depth in shallow areas and upgrading some best 22 players with better versions.

IMO that means two more drafts unless we have a really good haul in this one and that's not impossible. I don't see the issue here, it's a normal rebuild time frame with typical requirements to finish the job off that really shouldn't be too hard. Particularly when we have a couple of drafts to get it right.

I guess we will all have to wait and see. Either way we have put ourselves in a really really good position to finish off our rebuild and achieve sustained success, we've made it easy on ourselves and we will get the job done.

To be honest I don't really care that we have holes now because that's to be expected and I don't really care that we don't have any small forwards who are much good at the moment because it's not our time yet. When I will care is when it's 2020 or 2021 and we have holes. It's going to be another exciting trade/draft/free agency period, it's 3/4 times and we're going into the last quarter with a premiership to win, we've just got to bring it home.
I understand what you are saying but I just think Papley is going to cost a lot more than people here think. Cameron was no more than a handy player with potential like a Cuningham, Setterfield, Tomlinson, Tom Mitchell, Langdon ect. Bulldogs will make sure Papley will get offered overs money wise too if he is actually considering a move.

I think I just rate the small forwards role a lot higher too, rightly or wrongly I have picked GWS at the start of the season for the last 4 years to win the flag. Imo the only reason they haven’t been good enough to win one is because they haven’t invested into small forwards like they have the rest of the ground. Though obviously this is subjective. Take out one or two of their good mids and add a couple of good small forwards and they have a premiership imo.
 
Beating quality small forwards is more about team defence and up-field pressure than it is having a gun small defender. Don't get me wrong, a 180cm blokes with pace who can blanket an Eddie Betts is something you want, but if your midfield don't let the opposition do whatever they want, and your defensive group are well-drilled, well-positioned and support each other, small forwards will struggle to turn a game. They need the ball to hit the deck, and in an area where they can find a little space for a shot on goal. If the forward 50 entries are shallow, if the taller defenders are marking or spoiling towards teammates or into congestion, the opportunity for small forwards is minimised. They'll probably still hit the scoreboard, it's hard to stop them entirely when they're the ones that typically benefit from the odd brain-fade turnover, but they inspire a lot less fear when they're not creating goals.

Elite small defender - nice to have, but probably last on our list of priorities.
Fully understand where your coming from Agree with team defence, upfield pressure, defefensive group being well drilled, well positioned and support each other they are and should be extremely important to being a good side and becoming a contender.
But all great sides have great positional players on all lines some match winners some match savers jmo but i would rather the side have the players that are capable of matching or beating there opponents along with the system than just relying on the system itself.
We have not got one youngster on the list that we know is coming through we can be confident and excited about coming in and playing on the competitions dangerous small forwards...
It's just the way i look at the game BB 👍
 

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Does it make it somewhat more difficult to signal the end of some players, given we currently don't have a coach having a say in matters?

If Simpson chooses to go, it will largely be up to him.
Lobbe looks done and that's fine.

After that?
Lang - Likely gone, but a few good games from here on in and who knows.
Garlett - More than likely gone, but again the next coach may think he sees something others don't.
Thomas - The next coach may want him or may not 50/50
LeBois - Just gone. Three years on the rookie list and won't get a main list contract.
Phillips - If we don't reel in another ready-to-go ruckman, he may get a reprieve. Maybe the rookie list?
Fasolo - I would have said gone, but he's been performing well as a midfielder and......new coach.

Next group -
Schumacher - Surely no issues here
Kerr - Will likely remain, but not 100% as opportunities may not present.
Gibbons - Likely stayer
Goddard - Likely stayer
Cottrell - Likely stayer
DeLuca - Likely stayer

JSilvagni
, and Cuningham will certainly get contracts and Casboult may leave and who would blame him?

Point is that dependent on what comes about through the trade period, he may not want too many more newbies as to the new coach, all are relative newbies and 18 year olds will likely not be on top of his 'wish list'
 
I understand what you are saying but I just think Papley is going to cost a lot more than people here think. Cameron was no more than a handy player with potential like a Cuningham, Setterfield, Tomlinson, Tom Mitchell, Langdon ect. Bulldogs will make sure Papley will get offered overs money wise too if he is actually considering a move.

I think I just rate the small forwards role a lot higher too, rightly or wrongly I have picked GWS at the start of the season for the last 4 years to win the flag. Imo the only reason they haven’t been good enough to win one is because they haven’t invested into small forwards like they have the rest of the ground. Though obviously this is subjective. Take out one or two of their good mids and add a couple of good small forwards and they have a premiership imo.

Cameron was better than that, at least at the time, very highly rated. Papley will cost a first rounder which is fair. I'm not sure the Bulldogs would do that. Rumours are beating louder that Papley is keen on us so that would make the Bulldogs irrelevant to whatever deal gets done.

I rate it, I just understand they are easy to come by and cost less than a lot of other positions because end of the day it's a role that might have a solid influence come match day but not the same influence as the players getting the ball there, defending the play and talls who can kick 50-58 goals per season. Small forwards don't even need to be that good, kick 1-1.5 goals per game and apply a lot of pressure, that's all you need to win premierships but obviously it does help if they can play.

GWS aren't really relevant to what we are doing, they are in a completely different stage and have/are taking a completely different path to us. We certainly are not GWS. IMO GWS' problems lie deeper than just needing a couple of small forwards, they are a conditional team which doesn't like hard footy. You don't lose games on the road by plenty to ordinary sides because you lack a small forward or two.

You're going to get to see the next few trade periods just how easy it is to fill the small forward role.
 
Cameron was better than that, at least at the time, very highly rated. Papley will cost a first rounder which is fair. I'm not sure the Bulldogs would do that. Rumours are beating louder that Papley is keen on us so that would make the Bulldogs irrelevant to whatever deal gets done.

I rate it, I just understand they are easy to come by and cost less than a lot of other positions because end of the day it's a role that might have a solid influence come match day but not the same influence as the players getting the ball there, defending the play and talls who can kick 50-58 goals per season. Small forwards don't even need to be that good, kick 1-1.5 goals per game and apply a lot of pressure, that's all you need to win premierships but obviously it does help if they can play.

GWS aren't really relevant to what we are doing, they are in a completely different stage and have/are taking a completely different path to us. We certainly are not GWS. IMO GWS' problems lie deeper than just needing a couple of small forwards, they are a conditional team which doesn't like hard footy. You don't lose games on the road by plenty to ordinary sides because you lack a small forward or two.

You're going to get to see the next few trade periods just how easy it is to fill the small forward role.
I hope you’re right but you also ignore that every position has been shown to be easily filled.
Look at the top 5 sides atm. West Coast brought in their small forwards last.
Geelong maybe the same but the have also brought in possibly 3 Brownlow medallist midfielders in the last 4 years. (What they have done though is incredible. Pretty 2/3 of that side has come in in the same time we have been rebuilding)
Collingwood brought in a KPD and an AA midfielder this season.
Brisbane brought in two starting midfielders those season.
Richmond brought in an AA KPF, they also brought in two midfielders and a ruck the season they won the premiership.

Every type of player can be found and there will be a hell of a lot more handy to good midfielders move than there will be small forwards at the end of the season. As I keep saying though only so many midfielders are going to play in the midfield so why not actually recruit players for the position that you hope they will play. Collingwood were actually smart when they recruited DeGoey and Stephenson when everyone said they didn’t need anymore mids as they were proven flankers before they were midfielders and actually only turned midfielders very late.
 
I hope you’re right but you also ignore that every position has been shown to be easily filled.
Look at the top 5 sides atm. West Coast brought in their small forwards last.
Geelong maybe the same but the have also brought in possibly 3 Brownlow medallist midfielders in the last 4 years. (What they have done though is incredible. Pretty 2/3 of that side has come in in the same time we have been rebuilding)
Collingwood brought in a KPD and an AA midfielder this season.
Brisbane brought in two starting midfielders those season.
Richmond brought in an AA KPF, they also brought in two midfielders and a ruck the season they won the premiership.

Every type of player can be found and there will be a hell of a lot more handy to good midfielders move than there will be small forwards at the end of the season. As I keep saying though only so many midfielders are going to play in the midfield so why not actually recruit players for the position that you hope they will play. Collingwood were actually smart when they recruited DeGoey and Stephenson when everyone said they didn’t need anymore mids as they were proven flankers before they were midfielders and actually only turned midfielders very late.

I wouldn't say easily filled, took Collingwood a while to fill the key defender position and it cost the a premiership last season, not to say they wont make up for it though. Collingwood and Geelong have that destination club tag to them as well. There are clubs out there trying to do the same thing and failing. Geelong haven't had the enormous rebuild we have, they still have carry over players from their last rebuild, when we are done we won't have too many I don't think but in saying that they have done exceptionally well and have had a bit of luck in terms of finding a player in the rookie draft who is really good and Ablett's body etc. We have 2/3 of our side too, it's just our side is mostly pretty young. Lions have rebuilt in a very similar way to us, I have been saying for a long time though they are a year and a half ahead of us and I stand by that. They have done a fantastic job. Tigers brought in an injury ravaged player who managed to come good and a pretty good ruck yes, it was good work.

We have similar requirements most of those sides did towards the end of their rebuild, we really don't need all that much. Probably a really good mature centerman and a good small forward or two. The rest will come from the development of our youth and our older players abilities to play good footy into their 30s. I don't think we deserve the criticism we get, we're on a very familiar path that many other clubs have taken to success.

For all the players we need only one would require we use multiple premium picks which puts us in a really good position. The rest we can get either in the draft or for multiple low picks or a single early pick which is just ideal for us. We don't have a second rounder but that's not too much of a worry. All we need to do is what every club who has built success has done and bring in mature players over the next two seasons to finish off our rebuild and really, if we are any good at all, we should be able to do that.

You only recruit players for the position you would hope they play then Jones, Casboult, Thomas, Simpson, Gibbons etc don't fit into our side. Collingwood don't have Moore in defence. It doesn't work that way. You recruit players who are quality footballers who have the attributes to play a role and play them there. Sometimes players develop into something different for what they are recruited for and that is really common. We will have midfielders who become forwards or backs and that will work out well for us, most midfielders don't play midfield early days, it takes a fair bit of development to be able to handle midfield in the AFL unless you're a freak like Walsh.

Our list balance is becoming pretty good but we are likely to see us become short on genuine centermen soon. We are very lucky to have Ed Curnow and Murphy playing the footy they are right now. Either way we are a little short on in that department. We haven't been exposed in a few weeks because the midfields we have played have only been mediocre to ok but we will see that exposed I feel soon enough.

I'm not saying you can't bring in key position players or mids, what I am saying is that generally it's harder and more costly if you have to and there is a limit on how many of those types you can bring in as mature players. You're better off leaving players like rucks and small forwards until last and all the good sides have mostly done it that way. Not undervaluing that position at all just stating that this is how the good teams do it due to the cost and development timeframe and lets face it. If you're a weak side it's far more important to have midfielders and defenders and talls in than it is to have small forward who will just go to waste.

Our upcoming challenges are no different to any other side who has built a list and achieved success. We just have to be good enough. Winning flags is something you earn and so far we have done a good job but this is where we earn it and earn the right to hold the trophy.
 

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I wouldn't say easily filled, took Collingwood a while to fill the key defender position and it cost the a premiership last season, not to say they wont make up for it though. Collingwood and Geelong have that destination club tag to them as well. There are clubs out there trying to do the same thing and failing. Geelong haven't had the enormous rebuild we have, they still have carry over players from their last rebuild, when we are done we won't have too many I don't think but in saying that they have done exceptionally well and have had a bit of luck in terms of finding a player in the rookie draft who is really good and Ablett's body etc. We have 2/3 of our side too, it's just our side is mostly pretty young. Lions have rebuilt in a very similar way to us, I have been saying for a long time though they are a year and a half ahead of us and I stand by that. They have done a fantastic job. Tigers brought in an injury ravaged player who managed to come good and a pretty good ruck yes, it was good work.

We have similar requirements most of those sides did towards the end of their rebuild, we really don't need all that much. Probably a really good mature centerman and a good small forward or two. The rest will come from the development of our youth and our older players abilities to play good footy into their 30s. I don't think we deserve the criticism we get, we're on a very familiar path that many other clubs have taken to success.

For all the players we need only one would require we use multiple premium picks which puts us in a really good position. The rest we can get either in the draft or for multiple low picks or a single early pick which is just ideal for us. We don't have a second rounder but that's not too much of a worry. All we need to do is what every club who has built success has done and bring in mature players over the next two seasons to finish off our rebuild and really, if we are any good at all, we should be able to do that.

You only recruit players for the position you would hope they play then Jones, Casboult, Thomas, Simpson, Gibbons etc don't fit into our side. Collingwood don't have Moore in defence. It doesn't work that way. You recruit players who are quality footballers who have the attributes to play a role and play them there. Sometimes players develop into something different for what they are recruited for and that is really common. We will have midfielders who become forwards or backs and that will work out well for us, most midfielders don't play midfield early days, it takes a fair bit of development to be able to handle midfield in the AFL unless you're a freak like Walsh.

Our list balance is becoming pretty good but we are likely to see us become short on genuine centermen soon. We are very lucky to have Ed Curnow and Murphy playing the footy they are right now. Either way we are a little short on in that department. We haven't been exposed in a few weeks because the midfields we have played have only been mediocre to ok but we will see that exposed I feel soon enough.

I'm not saying you can't bring in key position players or mids, what I am saying is that generally it's harder and more costly if you have to and there is a limit on how many of those types you can bring in as mature players. You're better off leaving players like rucks and small forwards until last and all the good sides have mostly done it that way. Not undervaluing that position at all just stating that this is how the good teams do it due to the cost and development timeframe and lets face it. If you're a weak side it's far more important to have midfielders and defenders and talls in than it is to have small forward who will just go to waste.

Our upcoming challenges are no different to any other side who has built a list and achieved success. We just have to be good enough. Winning flags is something you earn and so far we have done a good job but this is where we earn it and earn the right to hold the trophy.
I think this is where we go around in circles and where I just keep going back to GWS and West Coast costing themselves potential premierships in the past by not taking small forwards and say if Collingwood had a KPD they may not of had Stephenson ect.
I’m not saying our list is in a bad spot at all, quite the opposite but imo now is the time we have to address the small forward issue.

Just on Geelong I seen a post somewhere I think on the main board and showed both teams 2015 lists and I think people would be shocked at how close we were positioned to build a list. Especially considering we had pick 1 and a a lot of currency to trade.

This is our sides list after SOS’s first offseason who are still playing for us.

Simpson Jones Plowman
Doc Weitering
Curnow Thomas
JSOS Curnow Cuningham
McKay

Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

Clearly midfielders had to be our number one priority. The three years since we have brought in Marchbank plus traded in or recruited midfielders who went in those drafts at picks 1,3,5,6,10,13,19 and 27. When you add those players to the best midfielder in the comp I think it’s now time to invest in other areas of clear need.
 
There's a big difference between saying we now need to get some small forwards (I can't see anybody disagreeing with this), and saying we've made a mistake in not previously prioritising a small forward.
My point is at any one time you have 5 “midfielders” on the ground and 3-4 forward pockets/flankers. You are better of having a good forward playing forward 75% of the time and being handy pinch hitting in the midfield 25% of the time than you are having a good midfielder playing only 25% in the midfield and playing forward 75% of the time where they are only handy. That’s the situation we have possibly gotten ourselves into imo. I think we may have possibly over done it. A good flanker/pocket playing in a pocket or on a flank is better and more important for a team than having a midfielder who doesn’t even play midfield.
For me Setterfield at the price was a no brainer and Stocker is impressive but if these guys don’t actually end up playing majority midfield along with Fisher and Kennedy possibly SPS maybe than we have actually made a mistake and been better of recruiting specialist players.
As I’ve said I think there is probably a lot more opportunities to fill midfield holes this off season. We currently have three good assets at the trade table a future first and second and a first rounder. If we had a good small forward rather than one of our 8? mids than I think it would be so much easier to fill the holes. Remembering our 6th midfielder will be coming off the bench or playing forward or back we can easily chase a Tomlinson, Cuningham, Ellis who have all been part of successful teams to play that role. Even Langdon could come straight in and play off a wing. I don’t think it’s harder to fill those holes
 
Does it make it somewhat more difficult to signal the end of some players, given we currently don't have a coach having a say in matters?

If Simpson chooses to go, it will largely be up to him. I think he'll go on. Started the year strong, but with Docherty/Newman/Thomas/Simpson I hope they'll use one of Simpson or Thomas in a development role, with Doch and Newman taking the reigns. One of Simmo and Thomas to be part of the team, with the other covering injuries and playing predominantly VFL.
Lobbe looks done and that's fine. Yup

After that?
Lang - Likely gone, but a few good games from here on in and who knows. Goneski for mine unless he has a massive turnaround in form.
Garlett - More than likely gone, but again the next coach may think he sees something others don't. Hmmm think he'll be a borderline, perhaps rookied
Thomas - The next coach may want him or may not 50/50 I think he'll stay on. Had his best year in awhile this year.
LeBois - Just gone. Three years on the rookie list and won't get a main list contract. Yup
Phillips - If we don't reel in another ready-to-go ruckman, he may get a reprieve. Maybe the rookie list? Agreed
Fasolo - I would have said gone, but he's been performing well as a midfielder and......new coach. Hated this acquisition but yup glad he's showing signs.

Next group -
Schumacher - Surely no issues here dont know enough to comment.
Kerr - Will likely remain, but not 100% as opportunities may not present. trade bait
Gibbons - Likely stayer 100% will stay
Goddard - Likely stayer yup
Cottrell - Likely stayer yup
DeLuca - Likely stayer not sure on him, think the acquisition was a mistake personally. think Bolts wanted him as a senior mid body, but we fixed this issue without him playing Curnow and Murphy there. Would rather have gone with a different position with this pick. Happy for him to be treated like Garlett.

JSilvagni, and Cuningham will certainly get contracts and Casboult may leave and who would blame him? Boult on the Two Tones seemed like he's keen to stay. Funnily enough, I think he's in career best form and he's certainly shown more than McChubby

Point is that dependent on what comes about through the trade period, he may not want too many more newbies as to the new coach, all are relative newbies and 18 year olds will likely not be on top of his 'wish list'
 

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I understand what you are saying but I just think Papley is going to cost a lot more than people here think. Cameron was no more than a handy player with potential like a Cuningham, Setterfield, Tomlinson, Tom Mitchell, Langdon ect. Bulldogs will make sure Papley will get offered overs money wise too if he is actually considering a move.

I think I just rate the small forwards role a lot higher too, rightly or wrongly I have picked GWS at the start of the season for the last 4 years to win the flag. Imo the only reason they haven’t been good enough to win one is because they haven’t invested into small forwards like they have the rest of the ground. Though obviously this is subjective. Take out one or two of their good mids and add a couple of good small forwards and they have a premiership imo.
Toby Greene, Brent Daniels and Ian "Bobby " Hill?
Been watching a bit of Brent Daniels - if Ian Hill comes on his opportunities might try up and he would be far from the worst option.
 
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