Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[windows1]

Does it make it somewhat more difficult to signal the end of some players, given we currently don't have a coach having a say in matters?

If Simpson chooses to go, it will largely be up to him.
Lobbe looks done and that's fine.

After that?
Lang - Likely gone, but a few good games from here on in and who knows.
Garlett - More than likely gone, but again the next coach may think he sees something others don't.
Thomas - The next coach may want him or may not 50/50
LeBois - Just gone. Three years on the rookie list and won't get a main list contract.
Phillips - If we don't reel in another ready-to-go ruckman, he may get a reprieve. Maybe the rookie list?
Fasolo - I would have said gone, but he's been performing well as a midfielder and......new coach.

Next group -
Schumacher - Surely no issues here
Kerr - Will likely remain, but not 100% as opportunities may not present.
Gibbons - Likely stayer
Goddard - Likely stayer
Cottrell - Likely stayer
DeLuca - Likely stayer

JSilvagni, and Cuningham will certainly get contracts and Casboult may leave and who would blame him?

Point is that dependent on what comes about through the trade period, he may not want too many more newbies as to the new coach, all are relative newbies and 18 year olds will likely not be on top of his 'wish list'

Agree with this. It’s hard to put a line through borderline players when the coach isn’t known. They often don’t for a long time anyway (ie they leave the delistings late) so it probably doesn’t matter. I dare say right now they are primarily focused on the draft and players from other clubs.

 

[BlueAbroad]

Bargain of the off season

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Toby Greene, Brent Daniels and Ian "Bobby " Hill?
Been watching a bit of Brent Daniels - if Ian Hill comes on his opportunities might try up and he would be far from the worst option.

No doubt they are trying to address is now but still aren’t going hard enough imo but it is tough with their salary cap problems.
This is sort of my point though, they left it too late. They worried about only talent rather than what would make them the best possible team and didn’t invest enough in a vital part of the game

 

[PostPaolo]

Do people think Cottrell gets another year?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Pick 12 only is what Brisbane traded for Charlie Cameron 2 years ago though.

The similarities are actually pretty stark.

Papley is 23 right now. Cameron was 23 at the time of being traded.

Papley is rumoured to want to move home. Cameron was traded to return to family/home in Brisbane

Papley is just starting to emerge as a top tier small forward. Cameron was emerging as that at the time of being traded.

Papley has currently played 76 games and kicked 110 goals. Cameron had played 73 games and kicked 87 goals when traded.

From the Sydney Board. Good point re: trade value for Paps (although I'd rather pay overs than miss)

 

[HARKER]

Do people think Cottrell gets another year?

Definitely gets another year, as he actually has tools we need.

I'd sooner have Finbars and Cottrell contract statuses flipped.

 

[Blutopia]

From the Sydney Board. Good point re: trade value for Paps (although I'd rather pay overs than miss)

Yeah he is worth a late 1st rounder at best. Sydney are generally better to deal with than Cows, Brisbane were seen to pay overs at the time but they were smart enough to see the upside.

I think Adelaide’s first gets it done for Papley plus a 3rd rounder or so back to us too.

 

[Stamos]

I'd sooner have Finbars and Cottrell contract statuses flipped.

Not that it matters. Don't think we'll be drafting too many this year, and Le Bois is likely the only rookie to get cut.

 

[PostPaolo]

Definitely gets another year, as he actually has tools we need.

I'd sooner have Finbars and Cottrell contract statuses flipped.

Hope so, just wondering if its in the terms of the supplementary players like him and Gibbons that's it done at the end of the season.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Yeah he is worth a late 1st rounder at best. Sydney are generally better to deal with than Cows, Brisbane were seen to pay overs at the time but they were smart enough to see the upside.

I think Adelaide’s first gets it done for Papley plus a 3rd rounder or so back to us too.

I don't disagree.

Thing is, we paid Pick 13 (and a swap of the mature ager for a 3rd rounder) for McGovern.

Papley IMO would be worth significantly more (to us at least) than McGovern based on output to date and the no. of suitors. Perhaps also contract status.

I'd start with your position, but if it ended up being pick 12 straight up, I'd be OK with it.

 

[HARKER]

Not that it matters. Don't think we'll be drafting too many this year, and Le Bois is likely the only rookie to get cut.

Just saying that on exposed form, Cottrell has really shown something to date.....Finbar not so much, but that's not to say he won't.

Hope so, just wondering if its in the terms of the supplementary players like him and Gibbons that's it done at the end of the season.

Both will play again next year, unless there's 'stuff' we don't know about.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I think if he leaves Adelaide he'll be Hawthorn bound.

Though if Hawthorn land Coniglio it's hard to see them being able to compete for anyone else.

Would love to get our hands on Greenwood, he's one of those solid foot-soldier types that help to round out a midfield. Does a lot of defensive work and has a good set of hands, really smart in traffic. I'd see him as a direct upgrade on Matt Kennedy, at least on exposed form, with the caveat that Kennedy probably still has some scope for improvement. Just think Greenwood's agility gives him a distinct advantage.

Not really a player we need, but wouldn't turn him down.

Papley + Greenwood + Martin/Langdon + ruckman would be a nice off-season, and probably a fairly realistic one.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I don't disagree.

Thing is, we paid Pick 13 (and a swap of the mature ager for a 3rd rounder) for McGovern.

Papley IMO would be worth significantly more (to us at least) than McGovern based on output to date and the no. of suitors. Perhaps also contract status.

I'd start with your position, but if it ended up being pick 12 straight up, I'd be OK with it.

Adelaide also gave up two third rounders (40 last year plus their third this year), and got a fifth rounder that won't be used back.

McGovern, 40 and 45 for 13 and McAdam.

Sydney are a hell of a lot less jerky than Adelaide, and won't make life difficult. Whether we get any late picks back as well probably comes down to what they plan on doing with them, but a straight swap of Adelaide's first for Papley wouldn't be far off the mark. Might swap some late picks between this year and next in a way that helps both sides as well (academy/future planning considerations).

 

[Stamos]

Just saying that on exposed form, Cottrell has really shown something to date.....Finbar not so much, but that's not to say he won't.

Absolutely.
But there's no real difference in terms of their position on the list.

 

[Stamos]

Thing is, we paid Pick 13 (and a swap of the mature ager for a 3rd rounder) for McGovern.

We didn't give up 13.
We gave 26, 28 & McAdam for McGovern and a future 3rd.

Adelaide then traded 26, 28 and 40 for 13

 

[Juddernaut08]

I think Gibbons has a lot of value to us.

We didn't give up 13.
We gave 26, 28 & McAdam for McGovern and a future 3rd.

Adelaide then traded 26, 28 and 40 for 13

Splitting hairs, but I take your point.

 

[HARKER]

Absolutely.
But there's no real difference in terms of their position on the list.

I'm sure you're aware but Finbar is contracted to 2020, whereas if we wanted to move Cottrell on, he's out.
Now that's highly unlikely to come about, as Cottrell isn't meat & potatoes and has shown good speed, general kicking and game awareness......so yes, he'll be retained, but if one was to go...it would be him.

 

[Stamos]

I'm sure you're aware but Finbar is contracted to 2020, whereas if we wanted to move Cottrell on, he's out.
Now that's highly unlikely to come about, as Cottrell isn't meat & potatoes and has shown good speed, general kicking and game awareness......so yes, he'll be retained, but if one was to go...it would be him.

For sure, Cottrell is a bit of a project player, has plenty we need, and has been on the list for 6 months. If we need the list spot, and I don't think we will, I seriously doubt it's him being cut.

Also, Finbar was always a project player. As long as he's putting in, you don't cut those types after 1 year.

 

[Blutopia]

I don't disagree.

Thing is, we paid Pick 13 (and a swap of the mature ager for a 3rd rounder) for McGovern.

Papley IMO would be worth significantly more (to us at least) than McGovern based on output to date and the no. of suitors. Perhaps also contract status.

I'd start with your position, but if it ended up being pick 12 straight up, I'd be OK with it.

Yeah agreed but I wouldn’t base the McGovern trade on what’s transpired so far. He broke a bone in his neck and was underdone with half a pre-season. Maybe he was a bit lazy also but I think with a bit of tough love from AR (similar to what his brother was shown in 2015) he will be a very important cog in our machine for the the 6-8 years. Taking nothing away from Papley as he will be equally important if we get him. But pick 8-12 (cows pick) will be overs but sometimes to fill the last few pieces of the puzzle it’s worth it to pay it.

 

[HARKER]

For sure, Cottrell is a bit of a project player, has plenty we need, and has been on the list for 6 months. If we need the list spot, and I don't think we will, I seriously doubt it's him being cut.

Also, Finbar was always a project player. As long as he's putting in, you don't cut those types after 1 year.

Even though we haven't hit all the right notes via our rookie picks, Cottrell has already shown up things that make you take notice.
It's not the point whether he makes it or not, but I feel it does in as far as taking players that by way of traits, may have the opportunity to make good.

I know it's a tall vs a small, but one can't question why we took Cottrell, be it even as a relative after-thought. He's shown plenty and more than some of our selection in the 30's and 40's in years prior to 2015.

 

[F_therest]

I don't disagree.

Thing is, we paid Pick 13 (and a swap of the mature ager for a 3rd rounder) for McGovern.

Papley IMO would be worth significantly more (to us at least) than McGovern based on output to date and the no. of suitors. Perhaps also contract status.

I'd start with your position, but if it ended up being pick 12 straight up, I'd be OK with it.

Would definitely do it for pick 12.

Looking at your stats, Papley has kicked more goals and has a year to go on his contract.
IIRC Cameron was out of contract...it makes a difference.

 

[F_therest]

We didn't give up 13.
We gave 26, 28 & McAdam for McGovern and a future 3rd.

Adelaide then traded 26, 28 and 40 for 13

Really annoys me when i see it even reported in proper articles like the AFL website or FoxSports that we gave up pick 13 & McAdam for McGovern...no we ****ing didn't.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Would definitely do it for pick 12.

Looking at your stats, Papley has kicked more goals and has a year to go on his contract.
IIRC Cameron was out of contract...it makes a difference.

Pick 12 is a very good deal for us. Make no mistake, Papley is a star and will provide us 8-10 years of A-grade football.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Would definitely do it for pick 12.

Looking at your stats, Papley has kicked more goals and has a year to go on his contract.
IIRC Cameron was out of contract...it makes a difference.

Plus Ive been told salary pressure is not an issue at swans.

 

[Juddernaut08]

get pap sos ffs