No, Cameron was contracted just like Papley is.
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Yeah, definitely contracted for another year.
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I think the Cameron trade will be used as measure for any possible for Papley. He would be an excellent pick up for us
I want us to target Aiden Bonar but I have a feeling we might blink when we start to prioritise.
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Why wouldn't he??
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wouldn't know him if he stood up in my soup.........
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If he's that good, why isn't he playing this week?
he'd obviously be the one with the burnt face...
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gee crows have some big players with pea hearts........
Who knows, a second year player who just happens to not be in the best form at the moment? Why are we still giving Dow a game, do we still rate him? It's all relative, and it depends on priorities. Rather a player with plenty of improvement left than someone we don't really rate so highly and traded for him just because we are desperate for a player who plays in that particular position (and who might only have a couple of years left at their peak), if that's the alternative.
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Hence thoughts that they could be players again in swooping into for a big-name signing, usually catching most off-guard.
Harley seems like more of a shrewd operator, though has moved up the chain.
Certainly his response for stepping in to get the McGovern deal done was referred to as not to help Carlton at all, and I would have liked something back in the Newman deal.
They gave Mitchell away cheaply however but possibly different circumstances with the $’s concerned at that time with their salary cap.
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let's be marvelous at marvel tomorrow first...........
Newman deal looking like a bargain for us.
I'm really opposed to spending big currency - either in dollar terms or trade assets - on small forwards.
It's just not an efficient way to do business. You can find them cheap in the draft. You can find them in state leagues. You can convert other players to play the role. And while you might not get a Papley, you can get someone 80% as good easily by those means.
Plus, looking at how our players are shaking out, a few of our younger 'midfielders' might not end up in those roles. Kennedy and Setterfield and both settling into roles as forwards who can go into the middle (particularly Setterfield). Is the upgrade from Setterfield to Papley really that big a deal?
We're short on a genuine crumber. Great - those guys are available every year, with pick 40+. Take 3 of them in the draft, get them competing for a spot and reap the rewards. If all 3 come good we celebrate.
Where we are really thin is the midfield - we can't just really on the young guys we've taken imo. As before, Kennedy/Setterfield look like forwards who can rotate through. SPS looks like he might be a consistent HBF star in the Houli mode, and Stocker seems on the same path. That's awesome, because we need stars in those roles and I can really see that being fantastiC
We're thin through the midfield right now and need to load up there IMO. Right now we have Cripps and Walsh who have their best footy ahead. Then O'Brien as an outside mid who looks solid, but 2-3 years away from really stepping up. Beyond that... we've started winning because Curnow and Murphy are playing in the middle, fit and healthy, Gibbons is spending more time there too, and it means the other guys are rotating in smaller bursts.
IMO we are 3x good quality center square midfielders short in the long term. 1x outside runner, 2x inside (preferably one of those being a tagger or stopper). It's why Coniglio in the short term would be so huge for us because alongisde Murphy and Curnow we are pretty close to complete in the short term. Dow is a chance, but also looking like it could go either way at the moment.
That's where we should spend our currency. It's much harder to get good midfielders late in the draft, much harder to get them from state leagues. If we've got pick 13 this year and a future first, lets get two good/decent midfielders with those picks whether it is by trade or draft. If we end up with too many mids it’s a nice enough problem to have.
It's just not an efficient way to do business. You can find them cheap in the draft. You can find them in state leagues. You can convert other players to play the role. And while you might not get a Papley, you can get someone 80% as good easily by those means.
Plus, looking at how our players are shaking out, a few of our younger 'midfielders' might not end up in those roles. Kennedy and Setterfield and both settling into roles as forwards who can go into the middle (particularly Setterfield). Is the upgrade from Setterfield to Papley really that big a deal?
We're short on a genuine crumber. Great - those guys are available every year, with pick 40+. Take 3 of them in the draft, get them competing for a spot and reap the rewards. If all 3 come good we celebrate.
Where we are really thin is the midfield - we can't just really on the young guys we've taken imo. As before, Kennedy/Setterfield look like forwards who can rotate through. SPS looks like he might be a consistent HBF star in the Houli mode, and Stocker seems on the same path. That's awesome, because we need stars in those roles and I can really see that being fantastiC
We're thin through the midfield right now and need to load up there IMO. Right now we have Cripps and Walsh who have their best footy ahead. Then O'Brien as an outside mid who looks solid, but 2-3 years away from really stepping up. Beyond that... we've started winning because Curnow and Murphy are playing in the middle, fit and healthy, Gibbons is spending more time there too, and it means the other guys are rotating in smaller bursts.
IMO we are 3x good quality center square midfielders short in the long term. 1x outside runner, 2x inside (preferably one of those being a tagger or stopper). It's why Coniglio in the short term would be so huge for us because alongisde Murphy and Curnow we are pretty close to complete in the short term. Dow is a chance, but also looking like it could go either way at the moment.
That's where we should spend our currency. It's much harder to get good midfielders late in the draft, much harder to get them from state leagues. If we've got pick 13 this year and a future first, lets get two good/decent midfielders with those picks whether it is by trade or draft. If we end up with too many mids it’s a nice enough problem to have.
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Just comparing Papley and Cameron the year he got traded. Cameron kicked 29 goals and had 334 possessions from 24 games, Papley would be on tracts to kick 40 goals and 400 possessions if he played that many games. I also think his strongest asset though is his mongrel and tenacity which is incredibly important.
Hopefully Adelaide miss finals and a top 10 pick would get it done but if I’m Sydney I’m playing hardball and asking a swap of their future third for our future second or something. Especially if their are no prospects who really excite them this season. Papley is a strong chance as an AA this season. Why would they let him go and not get overs. Plus I really couldn’t see us walking away if he nominated us in the same way we got our man by probably paying overs for Marchbank and MM. If SOS is chasing a contracted player he will be prepared to pay overs.
Hopefully Adelaide miss finals and a top 10 pick would get it done but if I’m Sydney I’m playing hardball and asking a swap of their future third for our future second or something. Especially if their are no prospects who really excite them this season. Papley is a strong chance as an AA this season. Why would they let him go and not get overs. Plus I really couldn’t see us walking away if he nominated us in the same way we got our man by probably paying overs for Marchbank and MM. If SOS is chasing a contracted player he will be prepared to pay overs.
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Are we thin or are we young in the midfield? Setterfield is a 100% a midfielder.
SPS, Dow, Walsh, Cripps, Setterfield were all drafted as pure mids. If we rated Dow, SPS and Setterfield all in the top 6 of the draft as pure midfielders and they can’t play there at AFL than our only problem is our recruiting staff.
Indeed.
Setterfield is definitely a centre square mid with a full pre-season, not a forward. Likewise Dow. Never discount young players who are on track to be serious players.
Stocker is also an inside midfielder.
Papley plays outside mid and forward, would be an elite acquisition.
Setterfield is definitely a centre square mid with a full pre-season, not a forward. Likewise Dow. Never discount young players who are on track to be serious players.
Stocker is also an inside midfielder.
Papley plays outside mid and forward, would be an elite acquisition.
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For whatever reason I don’t see Dow as a mid, he reminds me of a Toby Greene type without the great finish.
I can easily see him in this role, floating in to the midfield here and there but being dangerous up forward.
Setterfield on the other hand will fit the midfield role perfect.
I can easily see him in this role, floating in to the midfield here and there but being dangerous up forward.
Setterfield on the other hand will fit the midfield role perfect.
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Dow has the perfect abilities to be an inside/outside mid.. the way he bursts out of packs reminds me of the best of Gary Ablett and chris Judd
Good ability to find the ball. Crazy acceleration out of packs. Kicking is getting fixed up. But not as important when you've burst out running ahead of the pack of players.
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I’m happy with it.
I think it’s silly to think everyone drafted as a mid will end up there.
Big fan club of Greene, I just don’t see Dow being a guy to continually rack of 30 possessions
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