Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[HARKER]

You should dispel that idea immediately. Will be very good mid.

A very good mid, along with several others we have that we can mix and match.
I still like the blend of mids we've complied and still see Dow, SPS and Fisher as mids, first and foremost.

ECurnow & Murphy are being used there now as a matter of need and to stop the bleeding due to the smaller bodies being pushed too hard, but they won't last long and need replacing as soon as next year.

Can't say for sure how things will pan out in the future, but even factoring in we don't attain Coniglio (which is unlikely) I foresee a situation where we don't largely rely on a group of 3 or 4 starting mids and then rotating for relief, but the ability to have around 6 genuine quality starting mids - Cripps, Setterfield, Walsh, Dow, Fisher and SPS and then all being well, Stocker and maybe Kennedy.

Would love to for us to have the confidence of not having to open up with Cripps at the centre bounce and every now and then start off with something like a, Setterfield - Walsh - Fisher combination. We need this blend of mids to come through, as it can put a spanner in the works of opposition planning.

 

[Mr_Plow]

I’m happy with it.

I think it’s silly to think everyone drafted as a mid will end up there.
Big fan club of Greene, I just don’t see Dow being a guy to continually rack of 30 possessions

I think he will comfortably get the ball 25-30 times in his prime.

 

[SurreyBlue]

A very good mid, along with several others we have that we can mix and match.
I still like the blend of mids we've complied and still see Dow, SPS and Fisher as mids, first and foremost.

ECurnow & Murphy are being used there now as a matter of need and to stop the bleeding due to the smaller bodies being pushed too hard, but they won't last long and need replacing as soon as next year.

Can't say for sure how things will pan out in the future, but even factoring in we don't attain Coniglio (which is unlikely) I foresee a situation where we don't largely rely on a group of 3 or 4 starting mids and then rotating for relief, but the ability to have around 6 genuine quality starting mids - Cripps, Setterfield, Walsh, Dow, Fisher and SPS and then all being well, Stocker and maybe Kennedy.

Would love to for us to have the confidence of not having to open up with Cripps at the centre bounce and every now and then start off with something like a, Setterfield - Walsh - Fisher combination. We need this blend of mids to come through, as it can put a spanner in the works of opposition planning.

Spot on Harks. Let’s not panic however as we have the nucleons of a deep rotating midfield currently within. Another preseason and they are ready. Crippa, Smurph and Ed will not have to do much of the heavy listing next year, if we rotate correctly. Setters, Kennedy, Fisher, Dow, SPS, Walsh, Cunners, OBrien will progress again, it’s the DeLucas, Polson, Lang’s, Gibbons that need to step up.

 

[HARKER]

Spot on Harks. Let’s not panic however as we have the nucleons of a deep rotating midfield currently within. Another preseason and they are ready. Crippa, Smurph and Ed will not have to do much of the heavy listing next year, if we rotate correctly. Setters, Kennedy, Fisher, Dow, SPS, Walsh, Cunners, OBrien will progress again, it’s the DeLucas, Polson, Lang’s, Gibbons that need to step up.

It's a reason I'm not keen on us possibly using quality picks for mids that just sit in the mix of let's say a Kennedy.
I see Brodie like this and which is why I'm not that keen on him and it doesn't really how good he may yet become.
If Coniglio is keen to come....get him, but not for others where we have to spend currency on when only duplicating.

We do need mids for depth and taking the relative freebies in Deluca and Gibbons makes for perfect sense.
Spend the currency on absolute needs and not.........'he's going to be a good player, so we best get him' types.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Bargain of the off season

Please don't over rate Newman. Last week he played as a spare in defence. Against Melbourne he had a poor game. His disposal is average under pressure. We need class half back flankers

 

[BlueAbroad]

Please don't over rate Newman. Last week he played as a spare in defence. Against Melbourne he had a poor game. His disposal is average under pressure. We need class half back flankers

Simply looking at his numbers compared to those in the league playing the same position. I've enjoyed his season.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Simply looking at his numbers compared to those in the league playing the same position. I've enjoyed his season.

I agree his passable but not great, however I agree with the value of the trade given Doc and Willo's injuries

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It's a reason I'm not keen on us possibly using quality picks for mids that just sit in the mix of let's say a Kennedy.
I see Brodie like this and which is why I'm not that keen on him and it doesn't really how good he may yet become.
If Coniglio is keen to come....get him, but not for others where we have to spend currency on when only duplicating.

We do need mids for depth and taking the relative freebies in Deluca and Gibbons makes for perfect sense.
Spend the currency on absolute needs and not.........'he's going to be a good player, so we best get him' types.

Agree totally though I can see the reasoning behind chasing a Hill or Langdon type who are really strong runners.

 

[ParapMarkets]

A very good mid, along with several others we have that we can mix and match.
I still like the blend of mids we've complied and still see Dow, SPS and Fisher as mids, first and foremost.

ECurnow & Murphy are being used there now as a matter of need and to stop the bleeding due to the smaller bodies being pushed too hard, but they won't last long and need replacing as soon as next year.

Can't say for sure how things will pan out in the future, but even factoring in we don't attain Coniglio (which is unlikely) I foresee a situation where we don't largely rely on a group of 3 or 4 starting mids and then rotating for relief, but the ability to have around 6 genuine quality starting mids - Cripps, Setterfield, Walsh, Dow, Fisher and SPS and then all being well, Stocker and maybe Kennedy.

Would love to for us to have the confidence of not having to open up with Cripps at the centre bounce and every now and then start off with something like a, Setterfield - Walsh - Fisher combination. We need this blend of mids to come through, as it can put a spanner in the works of opposition planning.

You think it is unlikely we won’t get Coniglio? You’re pretty confident Harker, we are certainly in a much better position to land our targets than we were about 6 weeks ago.

 

[Pafloyul]

I'm really opposed to spending big currency - either in dollar terms or trade assets - on small forwards.

It's just not an efficient way to do business. You can find them cheap in the draft. You can find them in state leagues. You can convert other players to play the role. And while you might not get a Papley, you can get someone 80% as good easily by those means.

Plus, looking at how our players are shaking out, a few of our younger 'midfielders' might not end up in those roles. Kennedy and Setterfield and both settling into roles as forwards who can go into the middle (particularly Setterfield). Is the upgrade from Setterfield to Papley really that big a deal?

We're short on a genuine crumber. Great - those guys are available every year, with pick 40+. Take 3 of them in the draft, get them competing for a spot and reap the rewards. If all 3 come good we celebrate.

Where we are really thin is the midfield - we can't just really on the young guys we've taken imo. As before, Kennedy/Setterfield look like forwards who can rotate through. SPS looks like he might be a consistent HBF star in the Houli mode, and Stocker seems on the same path. That's awesome, because we need stars in those roles and I can really see that being fantastiC

We're thin through the midfield right now and need to load up there IMO. Right now we have Cripps and Walsh who have their best footy ahead. Then O'Brien as an outside mid who looks solid, but 2-3 years away from really stepping up. Beyond that... we've started winning because Curnow and Murphy are playing in the middle, fit and healthy, Gibbons is spending more time there too, and it means the other guys are rotating in smaller bursts.

IMO we are 3x good quality center square midfielders short in the long term. 1x outside runner, 2x inside (preferably one of those being a tagger or stopper). It's why Coniglio in the short term would be so huge for us because alongisde Murphy and Curnow we are pretty close to complete in the short term. Dow is a chance, but also looking like it could go either way at the moment.

That's where we should spend our currency. It's much harder to get good midfielders late in the draft, much harder to get them from state leagues. If we've got pick 13 this year and a future first, lets get two good/decent midfielders with those picks whether it is by trade or draft. If we end up with too many mids it’s a nice enough problem to have.

Yeah, I tend to mostly agree; that's why I'd be disappointed if the highlight of this year's trade/draft period long term was Papley because that kind of thing usually means costly list management. The whole beauty of getting Papley rests with the idea that he's second fiddle at best, even if he is the most costly. I tend to think we are giving an inordinate amount of attention to a subplot, so to speak, we are being heavily distracted by it.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Yeah, I tend to mostly agree; that's why I'd be disappointed if the highlight of this year's trade/draft period long term was Papley because that kind of thing usually means costly list management. The whole beauty of getting Papley rests with the idea that he's second fiddle at best, even if he is the most costly. I tend to think we are giving an inordinate amount of attention to a subplot, so to speak; we are being heavily distracted by it.

We already have the protagonist(s).

 

[ParapMarkets]

I'm really opposed to spending big currency - either in dollar terms or trade assets - on small forwards.

It's just not an efficient way to do business. You can find them cheap in the draft. You can find them in state leagues. You can convert other players to play the role. And while you might not get a Papley, you can get someone 80% as good easily by those means.

Plus, looking at how our players are shaking out, a few of our younger 'midfielders' might not end up in those roles. Kennedy and Setterfield and both settling into roles as forwards who can go into the middle (particularly Setterfield). Is the upgrade from Setterfield to Papley really that big a deal?

We're short on a genuine crumber. Great - those guys are available every year, with pick 40+. Take 3 of them in the draft, get them competing for a spot and reap the rewards. If all 3 come good we celebrate.

Where we are really thin is the midfield - we can't just really on the young guys we've taken imo. As before, Kennedy/Setterfield look like forwards who can rotate through. SPS looks like he might be a consistent HBF star in the Houli mode, and Stocker seems on the same path. That's awesome, because we need stars in those roles and I can really see that being fantastiC

We're thin through the midfield right now and need to load up there IMO. Right now we have Cripps and Walsh who have their best footy ahead. Then O'Brien as an outside mid who looks solid, but 2-3 years away from really stepping up. Beyond that... we've started winning because Curnow and Murphy are playing in the middle, fit and healthy, Gibbons is spending more time there too, and it means the other guys are rotating in smaller bursts.

IMO we are 3x good quality center square midfielders short in the long term. 1x outside runner, 2x inside (preferably one of those being a tagger or stopper). It's why Coniglio in the short term would be so huge for us because alongisde Murphy and Curnow we are pretty close to complete in the short term. Dow is a chance, but also looking like it could go either way at the moment.

That's where we should spend our currency. It's much harder to get good midfielders late in the draft, much harder to get them from state leagues. If we've got pick 13 this year and a future first, lets get two good/decent midfielders with those picks whether it is by trade or draft. If we end up with too many mids it’s a nice enough problem to have.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. We have spent up big on our midfield, there is a huge amount of upside in our young mids. Sure, some may not come on as we hope but there are a lot of options. It’s now come time where we trade for needs with experience, Papley is exactly a type we need and getting someone 80% as good could be the difference between a win and a loss in a big game.

 

[Pafloyul]

We already have the protagonist(s).

Not all of them, unless some of them get bigger roles than they currently have, can't count on it.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Half so far:

Daisy … demands another contract. Playing his best footy since **** knows when. Too much class.
Simmo … everyone bags his disposal, however, so so so so so smart. Need him to go around again, 1 more year Gramps …. just one more to blood the newbies. My hat is off to you sir!
SPS … will be Hodge-like. He can be the backline general and centre clearance (we need a lift specialist) or … anything. Has pace, has a step, has vision.
Weiterbot … is insane, seriously good.
Jones … well done son … well done … fully earnt the 3 years … all the nay sayers can GAGF'd. Integral part of the team.
Plow …. NOT ENOUGH LOVE FOR PLOW. Best 22 every damn day of the week. Plays the sweeper role like a BOSS.
Kennedy … Has all the tools, kicked a couple, has presence. Lets see next year what a tank can do, Big tick.
Levi …. Christ almighty …. if there was a second coming of Levi … it's happened in the last 2 years. INDISPENSABLE. TOO VERSITILE.
Lang …wrote him off … I see glimpses now. Needs continuity. Needs to back his body.
Gibbons … what a revelation this little ****er has been … got his chance and has owned it.
LOB ... **** Soapy V this kid has a weapon of a left peg and can run … run …. run … and hit targets.
JSOS ... mister whenever we need a gap filled yee shall be there. Footy smart. Can't run can't kick, not an anything, but competes and usually wins. This kid is like chemy weld for an engine … eventually the leaks will stop. Future …. what the **** were we thinking when when we said delist or trade scenario. GUN, SOUL, HEART, TOUGH.
Nemo … anymore sidesteps and circle work son and you will start confusing the **** out of you're own teammates. Belongs in a B&S paddock party.

 

[The Bighouse]

What’s the verdict on W.Brodie’s performance today (unable to view myself)?
Good numbers and thought I heard Pickers give him kudos.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Are we thin or are we young in the midfield? Setterfield is a 100% a midfielder.
SPS, Dow, Walsh, Cripps, Setterfield were all drafted as pure mids. If we rated Dow, SPS and Setterfield all in the top 6 of the draft as pure midfielders and they can’t play there at AFL than our only problem is our recruiting staff.

I absolutely agree they are all genuine midfielders. SPS on the other hand may have been drafted as a genuine midfielder, but it would appear he is actually far better playing behind the ball off halfback, than he is in midfield. SPS is clearly Simpson's replacement next season IMO.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I think he will comfortably get the ball 25-30 times in his prime.

Doesn't matter how many times he gets it if he doesn't dispose of the ball efficiently by foot.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Doesn't matter how many times he gets it if he doesn't dispose of the ball efficiently by foot.

He is not going to be a placer of the football. Was never going to be.

He is a 20m burst followed by 50m kick to advantage of forward and let our big men do the rest.

Dangerfield has made a career out of being pathetic at directing the football to a teammate.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

What’s the verdict on W.Brodie’s performance today (unable to view myself)?
Good numbers and thought I heard Pickers give him kudos.

The Suns need to keep as many quality young players they can. Cant see why they would let him leave. If he goes they need to demand a very good young player in return or a very good pick for him.

 

[BlueTang]

What’s the verdict on W.Brodie’s performance today (unable to view myself)?
Good numbers and thought I heard Pickers give him kudos.

What I saw was okay, not great (imo). Maybe they are playing him to try an increase his trade value, since there is so much speculation around him wanting to leave? Tin

 

[Blutopia]

What I saw was okay, not great (imo). Maybe they are playing him to try an increase his trade value, since there is so much speculation around him wanting to leave? Tin

Top 5 best players on ground today.

 

[Soapy V]

What’s the verdict on W.Brodie’s performance today (unable to view myself)?
Good numbers and thought I heard Pickers give him kudos.

Impressive. If he wants to come home I'd grab him

 

[BigFrizz36]

Impressive. If he wants to come home I'd grab him

Leave it to uncle Paul.

 

[windows1]

We have spent a lot of time saying how much we need a forward pocket this year.

I think our biggest need is line breaking run from the back half.

Saad type run.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Anyone seen much of Dan Houston or Bryne Jones? bit of talk of a port rebuild after another season of falling away, either would be a handy small lock down defender? I know houston is from Vic, what do you think his value would be? having a handy season from the looks of it and we do need another reliable lockdown small defender that gives us a bit of run and grit. Would be very pleased with an off season of Cogs Paps and Houston if it was possible