2019 Trade thread

[BRAB]

Lisle is also 29 and is a seasoned veteran of the competition. Riccardi is a full decade younger and finished 2nd.

If you're arguing for a long term developmental pick it's a different conversation to the initial one that was occurring in the post you quoted.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If you're arguing for a long term developmental pick it's a different conversation to the initial one that was occurring in the post you quoted.

Except I'm not, that's just putting words in my mouth. You're trying to say that Riccardi isn't impressive because Lisle kicked more goals, and I'm saying that he was close despite being a full decade behind in age, which is impressive. I believe Riccardi has a good chance of pushing McStay out of the side within a year and will only get better. He certainly has more chance of doing so than Skinner, Fullarton or anyone else on our roster. He is both a short term and a long term solution if he continues his impressive development.

 

[Jpw22511]

Don’t think Birchall is close to correct.


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Birchall to Brisbane is starting to get a trend going don't be shocked mate.

 

[lioninthesand]

Clugga?



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Yeah got him and Mitch Rob as genuine wingers ATM. He can and will go through there though.

 

[BRAB]

Except I'm not, that's just putting words in my mouth. You're trying to say that Riccardi isn't impressive because Lisle kicked more goals, and I'm saying that he was close despite being a full decade behind in age, which is impressive. I believe Riccardi has a good chance of pushing McStay out of the side within a year and will only get better. He certainly has more chance of doing so than Skinner, Fullarton or anyone else on our roster. He is both a short term and a long term solution if he continues his impressive development.

If you're thinking Short term age shouldn't matter. Since we're basing it on VFL performances, you should be advocating for Lisle.

 

[ImAFreeMan]

If you're thinking Short term age shouldn't matter. Since we're basing it on VFL performances, you should be advocating for Lisle.

He’s not getting that he’s arguing against his own point by arguing with you about lisle [emoji2359]


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[BRAB]

He’s not getting that he’s arguing against his own point by arguing with you about lisle [emoji2359]


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I'll concede that part of this was about getting people to unironically discuss Lisle in 2019.

I yearn for the old days.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If you're thinking Short term age shouldn't matter. Since we're basing it on VFL performances, you should be advocating for Lisle.

You seem to believe I can only think of either the short term or the long term. Actually, I can be thinking of both short term and long term, particularly as we have a squeeze on list spots. I don't agree that Lisle is the better short term option, for three reasons. Firstly, since Lisle has been leading goalkicker three times now, it's pretty safe to say that Port Melbourne has a good midfield, possibly better than Werribee's. And since this was Riccardi's first year in the VFL, they didn't have a well-practiced game plan to deliver the ball to him like Port Melbourne do for Lisle. Finally, Lisle is aging and will probably deteriorate next season, while Riccardi is on the up and will only improve, barring a long-term injury.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

He’s not getting that he’s arguing against his own point by arguing with you about lisle

You don't understand what I'm arguing. The adults are talking, buddy.

 

[Comeback Lions]

Except I'm not, that's just putting words in my mouth. You're trying to say that Riccardi isn't impressive because Lisle kicked more goals, and I'm saying that he was close despite being a full decade behind in age, which is impressive. I believe Riccardi has a good chance of pushing McStay out of the side within a year and will only get better. He certainly has more chance of doing so than Skinner, Fullarton or anyone else on our roster. He is both a short term and a long term solution if he continues his impressive development.

Brab's not putting words into your mouth, he's accurately referring to the discussion that was taking place when Lions Lions suggested Riccardi. I'm not sure what kicking 38 goals in VFL means. I don't think it's certain that a guy that does that makes it at AFL level, but it's certainly possible. There's more misses with tall forwards than hits and I'd be surprised with our recent recruiting if we took another one, but I guess it's possible. If he's as good as you say I think he's more likely to be at another AFL club than ours.

 

[BRAB]

You seem to believe I can only think of either the short term or the long term. Actually, I can be thinking of both short term and long term, particularly as we have a squeeze on list spots. I don't agree that Lisle is the better short term option, for three reasons. Firstly, since Lisle has been leading goalkicker three times now, it's pretty safe to say that Port Melbourne has a good midfield, possibly better than Werribee's. And since this was Riccardi's first year in the VFL, they didn't have a well-practiced game plan to deliver the ball to him like Port Melbourne do for Lisle. Finally, Lisle is aging and will probably deteriorate next season, while Riccardi is on the up and will only improve, barring a long-term injury.

All fair points.

You mention a list squeeze. If Riccardi can't be best 22 next season what do we do with him? Will Riccardi help us beat Richmond next year?

 

[ImAFreeMan]

You don't understand what I'm arguing. The adults are talking, buddy.

No need to be talking down to me, you are discussing an untried player taking a semi proven players spot from our lineup based on their goal kicking record in the VFL.

When Lisle who couldn’t hack it at AFL is comfortably topping that list, you then used the age card. Don’t get me wrong I have no idea who the kid is and he might turn out to be a gun, although it’s not a very promising argument when you have to use someone who can’t top Lisle.


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[Johnny Bananas]

Brab's not putting words into your mouth, he's accurately referring to the discussion that was taking place when Lions Lions suggested Riccardi.

BRAB made it sound like I was only considering Riccardi as long term developmental prospect, when I actually think he's the best option outside the AFL right for both the short term and the long term. That is putting words into my mouth. But anyway, since I've now made my position clear, I'm not going to get hung up about that any further.

You mention a list squeeze. If Riccardi can't be best 22 next season what do we do with him? Will Riccardi help us beat Richmond next year?

If he can't be best 22 next year, then I think he displaces Skinner or Ballenden from the list. I think he can certainly help us beat Richmond next year. After a few games acclimatising to the AFL I think he can surpass McStay by the business end of next season. Mind you I do think there are better options for us that are currently on other AFL rosters, that would give us an even better chance of beating Richmond.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

No need to be talking down to me, you are discussing an untried player taking a semi proven players spot from our lineup based on their goal kicking record in the VFL.

When Lisle who couldn’t hack it at AFL is comfortably topping that list, you then used the age card. Don’t get me wrong I have no idea who the kid is and he might turn out to be a gun, although it’s not a very promising argument when you have to use someone who can’t top Lisle.

I've given three reasons already why Riccardi is better than Lisle, I suggest you read them.

 

[BRAB]

BRAB made it sound like I was only considering Riccardi as long term developmental prospect, when I actually think he's the best option outside the AFL right for both the short term and the long term. That is putting words into my mouth. But anyway, since I've now made my position clear, I'm not going to get hung up about that any further.


If he can't be best 22 next year, then I think he displaces Skinner or Ballenden from the list. I think he can certainly help us beat Richmond next year. After a few games acclimatising to the AFL I think he can surpass McStay by the business end of next season. Mind you I do think there are better options for us that are currently on other AFL rosters, that would give us an even better chance of beating Richmond.

1.) If that's the case he's probably got better offers than Brisbane and will be pretty popular in the draft. Is our first pick enough to secure this huge talent?

2.) Both are contracted for next year. Welcome to the crux of the problem we discussed earlier.

 

[ImAFreeMan]

I've given three reasons already why Riccardi is better than Lisle, I suggest you read them.

Sorry my wifi is being shot and those previous points never came up for me, like was said
Prior they are fair points although I’m just trying to be realistic with the level of AFL beings big step up again!


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[Johnny Bananas]

Both are contracted for next year. Welcome to the crux of the problem we discussed earlier.

Has Skinner recently re-signed and I simply haven't heard about it? Ballenden only has a year left, perhaps he or someone can be rookied.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Sorry my wifi is being shot and those previous points never came up for me, like was said
Prior they are fair points although I’m just trying to be realistic with the level of AFL beings big step up again!

Fair enough. It is a big step up, you're right. From the games I saw I think he'll adapt to the AFL pretty quickly, but I'm certainly not Nostradamus either

 

[BRAB]

Has Skinner recently re-signed and I simply haven't heard about it? Ballenden only has a year left.

Oh maybe skindog hasn't resigned.

Still, if we're picking out VFL forwards to solve AFL problems, I'm on the Lisle train.

Ricardo is either as good as you say he is and will be picked up by a viccy team or isn't as good and will be a NEAFL bully.

 

[Comeback Lions]

Has Skinner recently re-signed and I simply haven't heard about it? Ballenden only has a year left, perhaps he or someone can be rookied.

If Skinner has re-signed then you're not the only one who hasn't heard about it. Contracted until 2019. Ballenden is contracted for 2 more years. Is Port's midfield that much better than Werribee's when they finished below them on the ladder? Ironically, Lisle kicked 6 goals in 3 finals, while Riccardi kicked 3 goals in 2 finals. You can never have too much irony. If Riccardi has a spot on our list it could be Skinner's, I guess. They strike me as similar kicks at goal and similar marks, from the little I've seen of Riccardi. But as you say there are probably better forwards already on AFL lists and given our recent strategy it's more likely we chase them than Riccardi. No doubt we're considering Riccardi like all good options. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Comeback Lions]

Still, if we're picking out VFL forwards to solve AFL problems, I'm on the Lisle train.

I believe the Puffing Billy is still running.

 

[martinson]

I really haven't seen a lot of CEY so just talking off the top of my head 4 years seems a helluva lot for a 27 yo. who's played 39 games.

Having said that with the Noble connection you'd have to think we have inside intelligence that indicates he's going to stand up over that time and be value for money.

I think Ely Smith is going to make a player but agree we need more bull M/F depth than we presently have . Hopefully this guy takes the next step.

 

[blueiris]

So CEY, Ah Chee and Birchall this year... very big names OOC Or RFA/UFA next year to get in the ear of.

The only person I've heard bring up Birchall to the Lions is Jordan Lewis on AFL360 is this really a given or just suspective rumor

 

[lionshine]

Considering what the club got out of McCarthy and Lyons in 2019 I'm happy to back the club in on the CEY addition.

 

[jackess]

Crows website confirmed CEY wants out. Didn't mention us though.