Preview 2020 AFL National Draft thread

[King Corey]

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

 

[New_Roo]

Souup is correct though, there's plenty of question marks on him, even disregarding the ACL.

However, I guess that's the advantage of 2 first round picks. 1 can afford to be different or of higher risk.


For all we know, Luffy and Brady may rate McDonald the second coming of Nick Riewoldt and is #1 on the draft board, so it's all a moot point. There's plenty in contention.

Remembering that Luff is very analytical, Hollands doesn't jump off the page statistically because of the role he was playing as an underage player. Someone like McDonald with 3 x goals per game in the WAFL certainly would.

Remember luffs direct boss before Brady is Clayton.... who was the west coast scout when Brady was at west coast so will know plenty about the WA boys ie Logan


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[Snake_Baker]

It defies logic to trade Brown for anything less than a 1st round pick and then pick up Logan at pick 2 in the draft.

 

[Footy Focus Podcast]

I wonder if we take Logan McDonald at 2, then Comben would be Goldy's successor..

Wouldn't mind trading Brown for an early teens pick and getting someone like Jackson Callow to play that 3rd tall.

 

[Psicosis]

Yeah, I'd almost say De Goey is close to his floor based on JDG's current output.

It's weird as Psicosis has listed Jack Martin as his floor, yet Martin is arguably better than JDG these days.

15 disposals and 26 goals a year is almost what Cam Zurhaar put out last year.

De Goey:

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Perhaps JDG/Petracca & Rohan/McCarthy is more accurate

 

[Pykie]

It defies logic to trade Brown for anything less than a 1st round pick and then pick up Logan at pick 2 in the draft.

Collingwood currently at approx pick 13 just seems the likely one imo.

He's a massive upgrade on what they currently have, is a similar type player to their current setup when Cox is there. Brown stays in Melbourne etc, his uncle played there.

Collingwood also have McInnes in the draft as a top 20 NGA prospect and still pickup a talented young kid, there's a chance they'd have to burn the pick anyway.

 

[LB2Snake]

Collingwood at currently at approx pick 13 just seems the likely one imo.

He's a massive upgrade on what they currently have, is a similar type player to their current setup when Cox is there. Brown stays in Melbourne etc, his uncle played there.

Collingwood also have McInnes in the draft as a top 20 NGA prospect and still pickup a talented young kid, there's a chance they'd have to burn the pick anyway.

I have no idea how we engineer this, don't even know if possible, but Id take their first this year AND they live trade McInnes to us on the night. He looks terrific

 

[Snake_Baker]

Collingwood at currently at approx pick 13 just seems the likely one imo.

He's a massive upgrade on what they currently have, is a similar type player to their current setup when Cox is there. Brown stays in Melbourne etc, his uncle played there.

Collingwood also have McInnes in the draft as a top 20 NGA prospect and still pickup a talented young kid, there's a chance they'd have to burn the pick anyway.

You would take pick 13 for Brown?

 

[Pykie]

You would take pick 13 for Brown?

Look, it's not a godfather offer, but it means we take 3 good picks into the draft and really reset this list. The other option is Brisbane 2 x first round picks which probably end up being pick 20 & 21. There may potentially be some other swaps with Collingwood, but I don't think we can ask for the world for Brown after his form this year.

3 x first rounders and a crack at the very talented top end of 2021 next year, if we managed to get a top 30 pick for Polec along with Essendon's second round pick coupled with what we already have u/23, might honestly do the trick.

That would give us 5 x top 30 picks this year.

Focus on developing the kids in key roles next year and take a top 4 pick in 2021 and then look to move back up the ladder in 2022.

 

[Snake_Baker]

So you would basically trade him as 1st round draft cover?

I'd prefer just to keep him and put it on the FD to get it right.

I don't reckon Collingwood would do it anyway. They have gone off Mason Cox. IMO, it would more likely be Brisbane (picks 18&19ish)

 

[LB2Snake]

You would take pick 13 for Brown?

Nope, Brown and Reef McInnes I would think seriously about though....he's essentially another first rounder.
I'm not in the trade BB camp, but I'm in the "give Brady the keys" camp. Something along those lines I can see as something I wouldn't be unhappy with.
I would trade BB for JDG too, if that was on the table.....and JDG not about to do time of course.
BB been a sensational pick up for us, but I've never been convinced he's the only answer for us as a club.
WC would never have dreamed of giving up Judd either, but I reckon Kennedy has been pretty fair compensation for losing him. The other player they got in the deal was Masten, via having pick 3.....granted Masten didn't turn out as one would hope, but I think most people would've picked him that year at 3 from memory.
I'm in for having a crack at changing our list.

*Apols Snake_Baker , I read that question posed at me not Pykie

 

[Uber Roo]

Collingwood at currently at approx pick 13 just seems the likely one imo.

He's a massive upgrade on what they currently have, is a similar type player to their current setup when Cox is there. Brown stays in Melbourne etc, his uncle played there.

Collingwood also have McInnes in the draft as a top 20 NGA prospect and still pickup a talented young kid, there's a chance they'd have to burn the pick anyway.

Could we be cheeky and also ask for JDG or Stephenson?

JDG gives them headaches and heartache
Stephenson a bit out of favour this year

Any chance ?


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[Pykie]

Nope, Brown and Reef McInnes I would think seriously about though....he's essentially another first rounder.
I'm not in the trade BB camp, but I'm in the "give Brady the keys" camp. Something along those lines I can see as something I wouldn't be unhappy with.
I would trade BB for JDG too, if that was on the table.....and JDG not about to do time of course.
BB been a sensational pick up for us, but I've never been convinced he's the only answer for us as a club.
WC would never have dreamed of giving up Judd either, but I reckon Kennedy has been pretty fair compensation for losing him. The other player they got in the deal was Masten, via having pick 3.....granted Masten didn't turn out as one would hope, but I think most people would've picked him that year at 3 from memory.
I'm in for having a crack at changing our list.

*Apols Snake_Baker , I read that question posed at me not Pykie

They can't trade us McInnes.

The only option would be them not matching a bid and we hypothetically bid on him.

I.e - We will trade Brown on the condition you don't match the bid for McInnes when we put it in. Unlikely.

So would be Brown for McInnes in reality. Not #13 AND McInnes. They can't do it. Trade week is before the draft and you can't trade players on draft night (yet).

 

[Pykie]

So you would basically trade him as 1st round draft cover?

I'd prefer just to keep him and put it on the FD to get it right.

I don't reckon Collingwood would do it anyway. They have gone off Mason Cox. IMO, it would more likely be Brisbane (picks 18&19ish)

What do you mean 1st round draft cover?

Like you said, it might enable us to take McDonald at #2, Take Cox at the Brown pick and then take a midfielder at Melbournes pick.

 

[Snake_Baker]

What do you mean 1st round draft cover?

You appeared to take a "cluster" approach to reason a one player one draft pick trade.

 

[LB2Snake]

They can't trade us McInnes.

The only option would be them not matching a bid and we hypothetically bid on him.

I.e - We will trade Brown on the condition you don't match the bid for McInnes when we put it in. Unlikely.

So would be Brown for McInnes in reality. Not #13 AND McInnes. They can't do it. Trade week is before the draft and you can't trade players on draft night (yet).

Yeah I wasn't sure. We can't be far off live trading. That'd be pretty exciting on the night I reckon.
Then no, I wouldn't trade BB for just pick 13.
13 and Jack Crisp I'd be ok with though, since we are only hypothesising

 

[Pykie]

You appeared to take a "cluster" approach to reason a one player one draft pick trade.

I think the top 15 picks are quite valuable this year given they are more likely to be known prospects.

But then against, Brisbane's 2 x first rounds pick would give us quite a bit of flexibility at the trade table, as well as maybe banking 1 or 2 of them for 2021.

 

[tiltraise]

You would take pick 13 for Brown?

The Pies may need an extra 2nd rounder to help with the points for McInnes.

They currently hold 13,32,39,69.

Perhaps they would entertain both their 13 + a 2021 IR for Brown and they get our 27 back.

 

[Pykie]

Yeah I wasn't sure. We can't be far off live trading. That'd be pretty exciting on the night I reckon.
Then no, I wouldn't trade BB for just pick 13.
13 and Jack Crisp I'd be ok with though, since we are only hypothesising

It's ridiculous it hasn't come in yet, thats the AFLPA having too much power.

You then absolutely take the best player at each pick, you potentially take players that other clubs really want then on trade them for overs.

Visa versa, you can trade on the night to get absolutely what you need if a club has taken a player you really desired, you have a second chance at it.

It has to come in, hopefully in the next 5 years.

 

[King Corey]

It's ridiculous it hasn't come in yet, thats the AFLPA having too much power.

You then absolutely take the best player at each pick, you potentially take players that other clubs really want then on trade them for overs.

Visa versa, you can trade on the night to get absolutely what you need if a club has taken a player you really desired, you have a second chance at it.

It has to come in, hopefully in the next 5 years.

Once again they want to cherry pick the bits and pieces of US sport that suit them.

Free agency yes please.

Clubs holding the whip trade hand? No thank you.

 

[Pykie]

Once again they want to cherry pick the bits and pieces of US sport that suit them.

Free agency yes please.

Clubs holding the whip trade hand? No thank you.

Yeah, the inbalance is terrible.

With FA should have come the swap of contract power from player to club.

There could of been some sort of loyalty clause for players to be reimbursed if traded interstate, either minumum lump sums of $30k+ or a % of their contract etc.

They are professional athletes on good wages, if they want the power, sign shorter contracts so clubs can't pick up your current contract from another club.

It will eventually come in, but it will be at a huge cost, the AFLPA will be asking for a major slice of AFL revenue for that switch now.

I think the best we can hope for in the immediate future is the trading of draftee's on draft night as they haven't really joined clubs yet. I.e the draft night trade period is open for 48 hrs following the end of the second night of the draft.

 

[Themanbun]

It's ridiculous it hasn't come in yet, thats the AFLPA having too much power.

You then absolutely take the best player at each pick, you potentially take players that other clubs really want then on trade them for overs.

Visa versa, you can trade on the night to get absolutely what you need if a club has taken a player you really desired, you have a second chance at it.

It has to come in, hopefully in the next 5 years.

Are AFL players employees of the clubs or independent contractors? Genuine question, I'm not sure of the arrangement.

I do however see the AFLPA's point. I really don't want to see 18 year old kids have their employer trade them to another employer within a few hours (or minutes) of announcing the news to their friends and families. These aren't 21 year old college students who have already spent 3-4 years away from their families.

I also don't see how any sort of loyalty clause would be deemed acceptable if traded interstate against their will. For some players that would be a bridge too far.

If they are deemed employees and not independent contractors then it's a moot point and I don't see how it would work.

Edit: scratch this. See below.

 

[Pykie]

Are AFL players employees of the clubs or independent contractors? Genuine question, I'm not sure of the arrangement.

I do however see the AFLPA's point. I really don't want to see 18 year old kids have their employer trade them to another employer within a few hours (or minutes) of announcing the news to their friends and families. These aren't 21 year old college students who have already spent 3-4 years away from their families.

I also don't see how any sort of loyalty clause would be deemed acceptable if traded interstate against their will. For some players that would be a bridge too far.

AFL players are contracted to the AFL technically, not directly to clubs.

 

[Themanbun]

AFL players are contracted to the AFL technically, not directly to clubs.

Okay - now that is interesting. Scrap what I said.

 

[Pykie]

Are AFL players employees of the clubs or independent contractors? Genuine question, I'm not sure of the arrangement.

I do however see the AFLPA's point. I really don't want to see 18 year old kids have their employer trade them to another employer within a few hours (or minutes) of announcing the news to their friends and families. These aren't 21 year old college students who have already spent 3-4 years away from their families.

I also don't see how any sort of loyalty clause would be deemed acceptable if traded interstate against their will. For some players that would be a bridge too far.

If they are deemed employees and not independent contractors then it's a moot point and I don't see how it would work.

Sorry, professional sport isn't about being "fair"

If it's to much for them, they can simply opt not to play in the league where the average wage is about 6 times that of the average person in Australia. They can have a kick in their local state league and go to whatever club they want.

We have a draft system and there is already too much bullshit played by young kids - See Wingard as an 18 year old, Bailey Smith, Jack Darling etc.

 

[Themanbun]

Sorry, professional sport isn't about being "fair"

If it's to much for them, they simply opt not to play in the league where the average wage is about 6 times that of the average person in Australia.

We have a draft system and there is already to much bullshit played by young kids - See Wingard as an 18 year old, Bailey Smith, Jack Darling etc.

Unfortunately, if they fall within the system of employment law in this country, then professional sport is very much about being 'fair' - a bedrock of our system.

This isn't the USA where it's a wild west, and AFL players don't get anywhere near that kind of money.

"they simply opt not to play in the league where the average wage is about 6 times that of the average person in Australia."

Or, via the AFLPA they refuse to accept it as a condition of collective bargaining.

Average salaries in the AFL are a stupid metric. If it's an 'applies to the goose and the gander' scenario then you absolutely need to think about the kids or rookies who aren't on any sort of ludicrous money and consider how this might affect them.

People froth over introducing the wild west ideas from American sports - and some of them are great don't get me wrong - but we are not throwing around anywhere near the money that those sports do.

I don't think it's up to bitter old blokes to say 'well suck it up if you want to be a professional footballer you have to accept [insert shit condition here]".

If that attitude prevails at AFL house (I don't think it ever will) the AFLPA will walk.