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Barrels said:
Has a tiny bit of the Jack Macraes about him.
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Couldn't we just get Finlay or what ever his brother is called and have a real Macrae?
 
With the new rule change to the interchange cap I see can see the increased importance of a draftees aerobic capacity. Players like Hill could excel next year running opponents into the ground.
I can't see him being around at our pick but that kid with the hot sister has a very impressive tank for his size and did well in the 2km time trial (Sam Berry being right behind him, my pick at the moment).
I'm hoping we can bundle our late picks up and move higher in in the draft maybe in the 40's so we could take a risk on someone possibly Harry Sharp. One of the best junior steeplechases he smashed the 2km time trial record and could be a perfect winger. No Idea about his actual AFL skill though that's for the ITK's to tell me and I'm usually skeptical of players that were stars in other sports but we have seen lately with Greenwood, Keith and Blicavs you can get some gems.
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Thanks. Will be much easier now looking at the rankings of the players having a better idea where our pick will actually fall.

Ideally I think we need to pick a tall but it seems like all the good ones will be gone by our pick, so hopefully a versatile mid - maybe one that can play half back instead of forward - falls to us. Not interested in another small forward or another pure inside mid.
 
Baker_for_PM said:
With the new rule change to the interchange cap I see can see the increased importance of a draftees aerobic capacity. Players like Hill could excel next year running opponents into the ground.
I can't see him being around at our pick but that kid with the hot sister has a very impressive tank for his size and did well in the 2km time trial (Sam Berry being right behind him, my pick at the moment).
I'm hoping we can bundle our late picks up and move higher in in the draft maybe in the 40's so we could take a risk on someone possibly Harry Sharp. One of the best junior steeplechases he smashed the 2km time trial record and could be a perfect winger. No Idea about his actual AFL skill though that's for the ITK's to tell me and I'm usually skeptical of players that were stars in other sports but we have seen lately with Greenwood, Keith and Blicavs you can get some gems.
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Until they change the rules again next year.

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BrutThough said:
Thanks. Will be much easier now looking at the rankings of the players having a better idea where our pick will actually fall.

Ideally I think we need to pick a tall but it seems like all the good ones will be gone by our pick, so hopefully a versatile mid - maybe one that can play half back instead of forward - falls to us. Not interested in another small forward or another pure inside mid.
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I agree with all of that.

There will still be good players available but I'm on Poulter for the point of difference, and l think he's a reasonable chance of still being there.
If we had a pick around 12 it would be a much harder choice.

I think we can wait another year for KPPs since our stable has Ming, Battle and Doogs all young, and Clav TBD.
Obviously we'll have our hooks into Bing as well, so to my mind this is our core group.

Max Heath as a developing Ruck for post Paddy era has also been mooted on the main board, so we'll see.

I like to think that Higgins was our FRDP this year, and pick 26 is a very useful early 2nd.

Hopefully we'll snatch Bowey with a late pick to make Gringo happy, then a rookie or two, Chips as a DFA, and away we go for another season.

Still 3 weeks till the draft though :rolleyes:
 
StJHD said:
I thought he was in jail.
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Ha ha. This is the younger Nick Stevens. Think the older one served a sentence and is out now. Apparently facing more charges on other alleged crimes
 
Cadillac said:
It was literally an exhibition match. It was a team thrown together over a weekend where they played him at half back and on the wing and 70% game tto ensure every player on the field got the same amount of playing time at every position. There was no game plan or structure put together on the day. Just 22 a side showcasing their individual talents. I remember at the time Jamarra was deciding whether or not to play after they won the NAB grand final 6 days earlier and he was going in pretty sore.

Yeah, one journalist at the herald sun said Spencer white could be the next Buddy. But I don’t remember buddy going 25 in the draft.

This is Spencer Whites highlights reel from his top age


And this is Jamarra’s from his bottom age averaging nearly 3 goals a game and 12 in 3 finals as a bottom ager
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Gee that spencer White is impressive, we should recruit him.
 
L_W_P said:
No chance.

Looks a great replacement for Carlisle but at worst I think he slides to Collingwood.
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That’s great because then Collingwood will have to sell him cheap at the end of next season, lmao .


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hayes said:
It might be our poor record at drafting them which makes me nervous but also our two best key defenders we’ve traded in, and our third tall was a state leaguer. Anyone we’ve drafted has failed and I expect Clav to be added to that list pretty soon as well. I’m all for key defenders and sustained success but the easiest way to achieve the latter is a star studded midfield.
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You make a great point. Who was the last decent defender we drafted?

Probably Sam Fisher. But he was drafted as a forward and was never great 1v1 (gun interceptor though)

The last good KPD drafted as a defender was probably Max Hudgeton FFS (should have been Matt Maguire, but that broken leg ruined him).

Howard, Carlisle, Delaney, Dawson, Penny etc all traded in. Austin we tried. Marsh I am really disappointed we delisted. Now we are sniffing out Frawley.

As for the young guys, Joyce was playing forward in the VFL second half of 2019. I am staggered Clav is even still on the list.

This is just not an area we have done well for a long long time

As an FYI, slim picking with what could be available in 2021

Doedee, Henry, Balta are OOC and Kolodjashnij and Astbury are FA (Davis, Talia, Hooker, Tarrant probably too old / cooked)

Balta probably the only one I am genuinely interested in, and I just cant see a world where we get him out of the Tigers. Doedee more of a third

So maybe hope a KPD slides at the draft??
 
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Battle had a really good year at CHB when Carlisle was injured . Yes he was drafted as a forward but it happens . Bruce was supposed to be a defender . The question is , is Battle big enough to go toe to toe with guys like Lynch from the Tigers . If my memory is correct when he was at CHB he rarely got many goals kicked on him . These days there aren’t that many great CHF ‘s running around which is to his advantage I guess . But I think there are some very good young kids who could become great over time .

Unfortunately for Battle he is just a bit small for a key forward role so maybe his future is in the backline swapping with Howard .

How do you see Battle’s future develop ?


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Highlander35 said:
How many KPDs, particularly those who're not considered "flexible KPPs" or "Intercepting" players actually get drafted and find success at their first club as 18 year olds, in general?
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Far from an expert here mate.

Just had a look from 2015-2017 (the year Clav was drafted) to try and get an idea (18/19 excluded as it is too soon to tell, and I CBF going back any further).

In 2017 the underage AA defenders were Taylor, Naughton and Clav. In the draft:
Naughton @ 9. Drafted as a defender / interceptor. Playing forward. Looks like an AFL gun at both ends
Balta @25. Drafted as a fwd / ruck. Gun defender
Taylor @28. Underage AA defender and very very good AFL defender
Clav @35. ??
Payne @54. Underage defender who looked very good in his Lions games this year
Zerk-Thatcher @ 66. Few games for Essendon this year. Meh

In 2016 the underage AA defenders were Maibaum and Cox
Logue @ 8. Drafted as an intercepting defender. Looks like a good option to do that in the AFL
McClarty @ 30. Delisted
Stewart @ 40. Sensational pickup by Geelong from the VFL
Cox @ 41. Jury out, but played some AFL. Dont know enough to really comment. StCicatriz probably knows more

In 2015 the underage AA defenders were Collins, Weitering and Hipwood
Weitering @ 1. More of an interceptor but seems to be learning how to play 1v1. Very good player
Hipwood @ 14. Had no idea he was a backman underage. Very promising AFL forward
Doedee @ 17. Everyone thought it was a reach at the time. Rising star as an inceptor / 3rd tall
K.Collins @ 26. Delisted by the Bulldogs
Adams @ 35. Played some games pretty early. Poached by Brissie
Skinner @ 47. 3 knees

Clav really stands out on that list of 15 as the only player (3 knees Skinner aside) to not either be delisted or proven at least worthy of AFL selection

Now I am sure someone will jump in and say player x above played here as a 17yo, or player y is a spud. I am far from an U18 football expert and I am sure I missed some.

But to try and answer your question, there don't seem to be many underage defenders who aren't interceptors / swingmen / 3rd talls drafted at all. Of those key defenders taken in the main draft (I think that would be Taylor, Collins, Payne and Zerk-Thatcher), that seems a pretty solid hit rate. Some immediate (Taylor). Some take a few years (Payne)

Interestingly, of all the defenders taken in that 3 year window, McClarty seems like the only complete bust (Skinner gets an injury exemption). Clav and Zerk-Thatcher the only complete ??, but at least Zerk-Thatcher managed to get selected (even if it was for Essendon).

As for what I have seen of him at VFL level (which is a bit but hardly week in week out, and nothing in 2020), as of this moment I would take every one of those 14 other defenders drafted in that 3 year window (including McClarty) over Clav without a moments hesitation. Can add Marsh to the defenders I would rather see on our current list too. The injury excuses are a massive massive stretch. But that is just my 2 cents based on what I have seen (and what those I know have seen). But I thought both Marsh and White were AFL capable defenders, so WTF do I know
 
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Far from an expert here mate.

Just had a look from 2015-2017 (the year Clav was drafted) to try and get an idea (18/19 excluded as it is too soon to tell, and I CBF going back any further).

In 2017 the underage AA defenders were Taylor, Naughton and Clav. In the draft:
Naughton @ 9. Drafted as a defender / interceptor. Playing forward. Looks like an AFL gun at both ends
Balta @25. Drafted as a fwd / ruck. Gun defender
Taylor @28. Underage AA defender and very very good AFL defender
Clav @35. ??
Payne @54. Underage defender who looked very good in his Lions games this year
Zerk-Thatcher @ 66. Few games for Essendon this year. Meh

In 2016 the underage AA defenders were Maibaum and Cox
Logue @ 8. Drafted as an intercepting defender. Looks like a good option to do that in the AFL
McClarty @ 30. Delisted
Stewart @ 40. Sensational pickup by Geelong from the VFL
Cox @ 41. Jury out, but played some AFL. Dont know enough to really comment. StCicatriz probably knows more

In 2015 the underage AA defenders were Collins, Weitering and Hipwood
Weitering @ 1. More of an interceptor but seems to be learning how to play 1v1. Very good player
Hipwood @ 14. Had no idea he was a backman underage. Very promising AFL forward
Doedee @ 17. Everyone thought it was a reach at the time. Rising star as an inceptor / 3rd tall
Collins @ 26. Bet the Bulldogs wish they didn't delist him after 2 years as he looks a gun at GC
Adams @ 35. Played some games pretty early. Poached by Brissie
Skinner @ 47. 3 knees

Clav really stands out on that list of 15 as the only player (3 knees Skinner aside) to not either be delisted or proven at least worthy of AFL selection

Now I am sure someone will jump in and say player x above played here as a 17yo, or player y is a spud. I am far from an U18 football expert and I am sure I missed some.

But to try and answer your question, there don't seem to be many underage defenders who aren't interceptors / swingmen / 3rd talls drafted at all. Of those key defenders taken in the main draft (I think that would be Taylor, Collins, Payne and Zerk-Thatcher), that seems a pretty solid hit rate. Some immediate (Taylor). Some take a few years (Collins)

Interestingly, of all the defenders taken in that 3 year window, McClarty seems like the only complete bust (Skinner gets an injury exemption). Clav and Zerk-Thatcher the only complete ??, but at least Zerk-Thatcher managed to get selected (even if it was for Essendon).

As for what I have seen of him at VFL level (which is a bit but hardly week in week out, and nothing in 2020), as of this moment I would take every one of those 14 other defenders drafted in that 3 year window (including McClarty) over Clav without a moments hesitation. Can add Marsh to the defenders I would rather see on our current list too. The injury excuses are a massive massive stretch. But that is just my 2 cents based on what I have seen (and what those I know have seen). But I thought both Marsh and White were AFL capable defenders, so WTF do I know
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Sam Collins was at Freo, they still can't get their backs right now. Dumb move. Dogs got Kieran Collins who must have been a spud despite high rating as a junior.
 
Enclosed_Animal said:
Far from an expert here mate.

Just had a look from 2015-2017 (the year Clav was drafted) to try and get an idea (18/19 excluded as it is too soon to tell, and I CBF going back any further).

In 2017 the underage AA defenders were Taylor, Naughton and Clav. In the draft:
Naughton @ 9. Drafted as a defender / interceptor. Playing forward. Looks like an AFL gun at both ends
Balta @25. Drafted as a fwd / ruck. Gun defender
Taylor @28. Underage AA defender and very very good AFL defender
Clav @35. ??
Payne @54. Underage defender who looked very good in his Lions games this year
Zerk-Thatcher @ 66. Few games for Essendon this year. Meh

In 2016 the underage AA defenders were Maibaum and Cox
Logue @ 8. Drafted as an intercepting defender. Looks like a good option to do that in the AFL
McClarty @ 30. Delisted
Stewart @ 40. Sensational pickup by Geelong from the VFL
Cox @ 41. Jury out, but played some AFL. Dont know enough to really comment. StCicatriz probably knows more

In 2015 the underage AA defenders were Collins, Weitering and Hipwood
Weitering @ 1. More of an interceptor but seems to be learning how to play 1v1. Very good player
Hipwood @ 14. Had no idea he was a backman underage. Very promising AFL forward
Doedee @ 17. Everyone thought it was a reach at the time. Rising star as an inceptor / 3rd tall
K.Collins @ 26. Delisted by the Bulldogs
Adams @ 35. Played some games pretty early. Poached by Brissie
Skinner @ 47. 3 knees

Clav really stands out on that list of 15 as the only player (3 knees Skinner aside) to not either be delisted or proven at least worthy of AFL selection

Now I am sure someone will jump in and say player x above played here as a 17yo, or player y is a spud. I am far from an U18 football expert and I am sure I missed some.

But to try and answer your question, there don't seem to be many underage defenders who aren't interceptors / swingmen / 3rd talls drafted at all. Of those key defenders taken in the main draft (I think that would be Taylor, Collins, Payne and Zerk-Thatcher), that seems a pretty solid hit rate. Some immediate (Taylor). Some take a few years (Payne)

Interestingly, of all the defenders taken in that 3 year window, McClarty seems like the only complete bust (Skinner gets an injury exemption). Clav and Zerk-Thatcher the only complete ??, but at least Zerk-Thatcher managed to get selected (even if it was for Essendon).

As for what I have seen of him at VFL level (which is a bit but hardly week in week out, and nothing in 2020), as of this moment I would take every one of those 14 other defenders drafted in that 3 year window (including McClarty) over Clav without a moments hesitation. Can add Marsh to the defenders I would rather see on our current list too. The injury excuses are a massive massive stretch. But that is just my 2 cents based on what I have seen (and what those I know have seen). But I thought both Marsh and White were AFL capable defenders, so WTF do I know
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Agree with on Marsh & White was suprised they were let go at the time.

Funny also have a confidence in Clavarino ankle injury came at worst time , think we are looking
at options coming out of contract next year too.
 
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