Academy 2020 Father/Son, NGA and Academy Prospects - The Compromised Draft

SaltPeter

"I’m a professional bullshitter"
Jan 6, 2018
7,073
7,906
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Norwood
There seems to be continual talk of next years draft being compromised due to the potential of a high number of F/S, NGA and Academy picks. As an Adelaide supporter I know of 3 players that the club will be considering drafting next year:
Luke Edwards - F/S (Tyson Edwards) - expected 1st round pick​
James Borlase - NGA - expected late 1st round to early-mid 2nd round​
Tariek Newchurch - NGA - no idea​
I have almost no knowledge of other clubs potential draftees though.

Is there any value in creating a list of players available to each club so that we can follow their progress during the year? Lore
 

Pykie

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 17, 2006
16,230
31,500
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Other Teams
Leeds United
from Davo-27 thread:

Davo-27 said:
2020 Top 40 potentially

Allies:
Gulden, Davies, Davis, Collins, Crozier, Campbell, Callow, Byrne, Green, Jeffrey (10)

Vic Country: Bruhn, Hollands, Ugle-Hagan, Stevens, Lazzaro, Ginnivan, Gay, Henry, Berry (9)

Vic Metro: Ford, Phillips, McInness, Downie, Clarke, Macrae, Bowey, Perkins, Cox (9)

SA: Durdin, Thilthorpe, Edwards, Schofield, Baldwin (5)

WA: O'Driscoll, Carroll, Western, McDonald, Grainger-Barrass, Trew, Morris (7)

its a rough top 40 and very early prediction, but imagine the Allies winning the Championships? btw 14/40 are F/S or Academy aligned players

2020 Talent - good underagers
Charlie Lazzaro (Geel)177cm 73kg
Noah Gribble (Geel)179cm 68kg
Oliver Henry (Geel)186cm 72kg
Tanner Bruhn (Geel)182cm 73kg
Gennaro Bove (Geel)175cm 75kg
Cameron Fleeton (Geel)189cm 76kg*
Elijah Hollands (Murr)188cm 80kg
Zavier Maher (Murr)183cm 82kg
Thomas Panuccio (Murr)179cm 73kg
Charlie Byrne (Murr)182cm 78kg
Dominic Bedendo (Murr)185cm 67kg
Jai Neal (Dand)191cm 80kg*
Clayton Gay (Dand)183cm 71kg
Will Howe (Dand)189cm 85kg
Deakyn Smith (Dand)179cm 65kg Melb NGA
Josh Treacy (Bend)192cm 88kg
Jack Evans (Bend)182cm 70kg
Jack Ginnivan (Bend)180cm 73kg
Cooper Smith (Bend)181cm 65kg*
Jack Tillig (GWV)185cm 81kg*
Harry Sharp (GWV)180cm 70kg
Nick Stevens (GWV)191cm 86kg WB NGA?
Sam Berry (Gipps)180cm 82kg
Zach Reid (Gipps)200cm 77kg*
Ryan Angwin (Gipps)181cm 62kg
-----------------------------------------
Josh Clarke (East)181cm 65kg
Will Parker (East)180cm 76kg*
Salele Feagaimalii (East)186cm 99kg* Haw NGA
Conor Downie (East)183cm 81kg Haw NGA
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (Oak)194cm 79kg WB NGA
Will Phillips (Oak)179cm 78kg
Lochlan Jenkins (Oak)177cm 76kg
Reef McInnes (Oak)191cm 83kg Coll NGA
Giorgio Varagiannis (Oak)175 73kg*
Fraser Elliot (Oak)187cm 86kg
Finlay Macrae (Oak)184cm 73kg
Connor Stone (Oak)186cm 78kg*
Darby Hipwell (Sand)181cm 78kg
Archie Perkins (Sand)185cm 87kg
Jake Bowey (Sand)173cm 65kg
Eddie Ford (West)186cm 80kg
Jackson Cardillo (Cald)185cm 77kg
Flynn Lakey (Cald)171cm 70kg*
Thomas McMahon (North)181cm 70kg
Liam McMahon (North)193cm 78kg
Heath Ramshaw (North)180cm
Cooper Barbera (North)173cm 61kg*
Nikolas Cox (North)197cm 80kg
Josh Watson (North)180cm 74kg
Ewan MacPherson (North)178cm 82kg WB F/S
------------------------------------------
Alex Davies (GCS A)190cm 80kg GCS A
Errol Gulden (Syd A)173cm 70kg Syd A
Braeden Campbell (Syd A)178cm 71kg Syd A
Sam Collins (Tas)187cm 79kg
Oliver Davis (Tas)181cm 75kg
Jackson Callow (Tas)193cm 94kg
Pat Walker (Tas)185cm 77kg*
------------------------------------------
Nathan O'Driscoll (Perth)182cm 75kg (early #1 pick prediction)
Logan McDonald (Perth)192cm 84kg
Denver Grainger-Barrass (Swan Dist)192cm 77kg
Brandon Walker Fre NGA
Joel Western Fre NGA
Ira Jetta
Zane Trew 184cm 81kg
------------------------------------------
Luke Edwards (Glenlg)187cm 79kg Adel F/S?(not sure he wants to be F/S)
Corey Durdin (C Dist)173cm 70kg
Riley Thilthorpe (W Adel)199cm 96kg
Taj Schoefield (WWT)176cm 71kg Port F/S
Zac Dumesny (S Adel)186cm 77kg
Kaine Baldwin Adel NGA

* = not 100% sure yet

2021 Pool
Josh Rachele (Murr) med forw
Tom Brown (Murr) med forw
Sam Banks (Tas) mid North NGA
Alex Lukic (Oak) KPF
Tyler Sonsie (East) mid
Sam Hobbs (GWV) sml forw/mid
Josh Rentsch (GWV) KPF
Charlie Molan (GWV) med defender
 

Lore

Moderator ❀
Dec 14, 2015
16,182
19,226
AFL Club
Essendon
There seems to be continual talk of next years draft being compromised due to the potential of a high number of F/S, NGA and Academy picks. As an Adelaide supporter I know of 3 players that the club will be considering drafting next year:
Luke Edwards - F/S (Tyson Edwards) - expected 1st round pick​
James Borlase - NGA - expected late 1st round to early-mid 2nd round​
Tariek Newchurch - NGA - no idea​
I have almost no knowledge of other clubs potential draftees though.

Is there any value in creating a list of players available to each club so that we can follow their progress during the year? Lore
I'm not sure if there's a full list available that would tell us which players are attached to which clubs atm. The best I can find is this one from September:


Once they publish a proper complete list, remind me, I'll sticky the details in this thread so they're accessible :)
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

HereIam86

Team Captain
Jun 5, 2010
561
246
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
La lakers Brisbane Heat
The Lions have Blake Coleman, Carter Michael and Saxon Crozier. Kobe Tozer who could have been taken in this years draft is coming back as a 19 year old. Lachlan Ford is from Queensland I think he was in the Lions academy by isn’t anymore went down to Melbourne to attend Xavier Colllege.
 

PMBangers

All Australian
Nov 7, 2017
676
682
AFL Club
GWS
Other Teams
Manchester City
Luke Edwards, James Borlase - Adelaide
Saxon Crozier, Carter Michael, Blake Coleman - Brisbane
Reef McInnes - Collingwood
Cody Brand - Essendon
Joel Western, Brandon Walker - Fremantle
Alex Davies, Joel Jeffery - Gold Coast
Josh Greene - GWS
Connor Downie - Hawthorn
Deakyn Smith - Melbourne
Taj Schoefield, Lachlan Jones - Port Adelaide
Ethan Baxter - Richmond
Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden - Sydney
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Ewan McPherson, Nick Stevens (possibly, still unsure) - Western Bulldogs

Are all ones I have shortlisted (got about 75 total) atm, with those in bold in my top 30
 

Tails1

Premiership Player
Nov 30, 2006
3,423
3,419
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Is there any other teams?
Any NAB league watches able to hazard an early guess as to where Reef McInnes might sit in next years pool? Hoping Pies get to use 1st round pick somewhere else before a bid comes in.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com
 

PMBangers

All Australian
Nov 7, 2017
676
682
AFL Club
GWS
Other Teams
Manchester City
Any NAB league watches able to hazard an early guess as to where Reef McInnes might sit in next years pool? Hoping Pies get to use 1st round pick somewhere else before a bid comes in.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com
Top 20 is the consensus although some have him top 10
 

Yojimbo

Norm Smith Medallist
Nov 14, 2012
8,763
7,428
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
The Lions have Blake Coleman, Carter Michael and Saxon Crozier. Kobe Tozer who could have been taken in this years draft is coming back as a 19 year old. Lachlan Ford is from Queensland I think he was in the Lions academy by isn’t anymore went down to Melbourne to attend Xavier Colllege.
Kind of surprised Kobe Tozer did not end up at Richmond or Essendon.. :moustache:
 

briztoon

Norm Smith Medallist
Nov 28, 2015
9,132
8,971
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
NUFC, Philadelphia 76'ers
The Lions have Blake Coleman, Carter Michael and Saxon Crozier. Kobe Tozer who could have been taken in this years draft is coming back as a 19 year old. Lachlan Ford is from Queensland I think he was in the Lions academy by isn’t anymore went down to Melbourne to attend Xavier Colllege.
Do you know if Tozer is locked in for next year at the Lions?

I know Bruce Reville has been training with the senior squad this preseason.
 

zhoung

Senior List
Aug 18, 2009
218
326
AFL Club
Collingwood
There seems to be continual talk of next years draft being compromised due to the potential of a high number of F/S, NGA and Academy picks. As an Adelaide supporter I know of 3 players that the club will be considering drafting next year:
Luke Edwards - F/S (Tyson Edwards) - expected 1st round pick​
James Borlase - NGA - expected late 1st round to early-mid 2nd round​
Tariek Newchurch - NGA - no idea​
I have almost no knowledge of other clubs potential draftees though.

Is there any value in creating a list of players available to each club so that we can follow their progress during the year? Lore
Mate Edwards is gone https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/luke-edwards-gone.1215926/ find something else to hang your hat on. Oh wait, the NGA cupboard is bare LOL
 

Cadillac

Premium Gold
Mar 25, 2016
4,552
10,114
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
USC Trojans
Any NAB league watches able to hazard an early guess as to where Reef McInnes might sit in next years pool? Hoping Pies get to use 1st round pick somewhere else before a bid comes in.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com
I have him ahead of Downie. He will be top 10 lock. Uses it heaps better and kicks goals.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

andleanback

Team Captain
Aug 21, 2016
571
395
AFL Club
Essendon
I have him ahead of Downie. He will be top 10 lock. Uses it heaps better and kicks goals.
top 10 at this stage on talent plus will get more opportunities in the oakleigh's midfield. Though as we've seen this year nga/fs picks can drift a bit withs clubs high up hesitant to bid.
 

briztoon

Norm Smith Medallist
Nov 28, 2015
9,132
8,971
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
NUFC, Philadelphia 76'ers
top 10 at this stage on talent plus will get more opportunities in the oakleigh's midfield. Though as we've seen this year nga/fs picks can drift a bit withs clubs high up hesitant to bid.
I don't believe that will be the case next year. Particularly by late first round or the second round. With so many kids in the frame, opposition teams will be reluctant to allow teams with academy or father son kids to pick up extra players early or mid draft.

If a team gets their draft picks far ahead of their kids, or loads up with late picks, bids might slide a little. But as we saw on Thursday with Essendon bidding early on Brisbane's academy kid and forcing a pick and match, teams won't let other teams get in a "free" pick in the open draft.

Up in Brisbane we rate Coleman highly, but clearly thought we could get in 3 picks before matching a bid on him. Dodoro made us pay there. I expect the same will happen next year. No free picks.
 

andleanback

Team Captain
Aug 21, 2016
571
395
AFL Club
Essendon
I don't believe that will be the case next year. Particularly by late first round or the second round. With so many kids in the frame, opposition teams will be reluctant to allow teams with academy or father son kids to pick up extra players early or mid draft.

If a team gets their draft picks far ahead of their kids, or loads up with late picks, bids might slide a little. But as we saw on Thursday with Essendon bidding early on Brisbane's academy kid and forcing a pick and match, teams won't let other teams get in a "free" pick in the open draft.

Up in Brisbane we rate Coleman highly, but clearly thought we could get in 3 picks before matching a bid on him. Dodoro made us pay there. I expect the same will happen next year. No free picks.
I’m talking first round though, the top end talent where clubs really have the magnify glass over the kids due to the massive investment. It’s just natural that recruiters put a tad less time and effort looking into players tied to other clubs, like getting to know them on a personal basis through multiple meetings to make the transition into their club easier. It’s why some clubs don’t bother to bid because they’d prefer to go with who they know inside out.
 

Munnez

All Australian
Apr 2, 2018
948
703
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Luke Edwards, James Borlase - Adelaide
Saxon Crozier, Carter Michael, Blake Coleman - Brisbane
Reef McInnes - Collingwood
Cody Brand - Essendon
Joel Western, Brandon Walker - Fremantle
Alex Davies, Joel Jeffery - Gold Coast
Josh Greene - GWS
Connor Downie - Hawthorn
Deakyn Smith - Melbourne
Taj Schoefield, Lachlan Jones - Port Adelaide
Ethan Baxter - Richmond
Braeden Campbell, Errol Gulden - Sydney
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Ewan McPherson, Nick Stevens (possibly, still unsure) - Western Bulldogs

Are all ones I have shortlisted (got about 75 total) atm, with those in bold in my top 30
I'm hearing Cody Raak is another NGA for the Dogs possibly
 

Caputo

Team Captain
Dec 5, 2011
325
127
AFL Club
Adelaide
Alternatively it could be a cabal not pick aligned player until someone does. With everyone with vested interests no Academy gets early call. Swans recruiter mentioned we want to call the player we want to get. Not tell his parents he was second choice or we were playing like carlton who needed more time to cook up the trade.
 

briztoon

Norm Smith Medallist
Nov 28, 2015
9,132
8,971
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
NUFC, Philadelphia 76'ers
I’m talking first round though, the top end talent where clubs really have the magnify glass over the kids due to the massive investment. It’s just natural that recruiters put a tad less time and effort looking into players tied to other clubs, like getting to know them on a personal basis through multiple meetings to make the transition into their club easier. It’s why some clubs don’t bother to bid because they’d prefer to go with who they know inside out.
2 or 3 in the top 10, then the GC PP Geelong now hold, Daniher compensation pick, and another 2 or 3 in the back half of the first round.
 

andleanback

Team Captain
Aug 21, 2016
571
395
AFL Club
Essendon
2 or 3 in the top 10, then the GC PP Geelong now hold, Daniher compensation pick, and another 2 or 3 in the back half of the first round.
Going a bit early on the daniher compensation pick. If he does decide to leave essendon will match any offer so Sydney will have to trade for him.
 
Last edited:

Top Bottom