Position 2020 Forwards

[Northernsoul74]

Very hard to leave Whitfield out based on tonight's effort.

Never in doubt, first picked when he was available as a forward.

 

[Soups]

Sexy Acres anyone?

 

[wolfpac13]

Sexy Acres anyone?

Big yes. Been watching him closely for years. Will explode this year in a settled position.

 

[toxic]

Sexy Acres anyone?

Hasn't left my side

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

Hard to say at this stage, but if he plays both Marsh games scores well and is named round 1 then he'll be selected by a few teams I reckon.

Watchlist for now.

Played well but 16 disposals, 1 contested @ 80% TOG for 58 SC not quite enough.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

A. Bonar, S. Hill, M. Bergman (if fit), J. Brander, M. Georgiades, M. King, I. Rankine, S. Sturt and C. Budarick are all looking likely to play round 1 at this stage. Not amazing but I wouldn't call them putrid, especially when compared to the DEF rookies on offer at this stage.

Don't think Budarick plays round 1.

Defense more than likely to be

Harbrow Graham Lukosius
Hanley Collins Bowes


With Ballard, Thompson +- Hombsch to come into the team. when recovered from injury.
Budarick and Joyce the two playing to make it in but certainly not 'likely' at this stage.

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

Whitfield scored a 101 and a 170 in his two games after coming back from being hurt last season, and thats without 6 months to get right.

If he's playing, his fitness/ankle isn't a factor for me. Price the only concern, as I suspect he will be at 100% by round 1.

Petracca on the other hand....not sure I'd be comfortable starting him even if he averages 200 all preseason. Dude has burnt me two years running, including the 2018 run where he missed 2/3 games (one of which because of a "dog bite"), only to return for back to back 40's. Nope.

Don't pick him this year and he could burn a third time. Good old Murphy's Law.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Sexy Acres anyone?

Gresh_Magic Acres or Gresham?

 

[d-mac3276]

Acres seemed to have plenty of space around him...I’ll show myself the door

 

[Flandersss]

Gresh_Magic Acres or Gresham?

Wowserz

Gresh by the length of Fraser’s chol

 

[LegendLewis]

Don't think Budarick plays round 1.

Defense more than likely to be

Harbrow Graham Lukosius
Hanley Collins Bowes


With Ballard, Thompson +- Hombsch to come into the team. when recovered from injury.
Budarick and Joyce the two playing to make it in but certainly not 'likely' at this stage.

Respect your opinion as a GC watcher but imo from watching that game last week he has it. Time, space and good decision making is what I saw. His first two possessions I was like 'noooiiiiiceeeeeeee' . he's in for me and if dough boy doesn't see it too I'd be shocked. Shocked I tell ya!!!

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

Respect your opinion as a GC watcher but imo from watching that game last week he has it. Time, space and good decision making is what I saw. His first two possessions I was like 'noooiiiiiceeeeeeee' . he's in for me and if dough boy doesn't see it too I'd be shocked. Shocked I tell ya!!!

Oh mate, I completely agree with you. Can tell he'll be a 10 year player. I love it that he's a true Gold Coaster that came through our academy like his brother before him.

He will take Harbrow's role ultimately and I reckon this will be his last year.
I would say that we didn't have to see him do too much defending and as a back pocket - it's your primary role. He looked good with ball in hand - played exclusively as a midfielder until now.
I don't know if Dew will play him and Harbrow together - depends on the opposition forward line to some degree as well I suppose.

 

[stevebbb]

Sexy Acres anyone?

Intriguing, has me very interested

Another good showing in Marsh #2 and he's locked in

Should take all of Brad Hill's points, with a few extra contested possessions and tackles

 

[Lord De Goey]

Toby Greene anyone?

 

[Souup]

Toby Greene anyone?

His score is inflated due to having played midfield last season as a result of injuries to many of their midfielders (Ward, Coniglio, Kelly etc.)

Still think he's a decent pick - will just be inconsistent due to playing that small forward role. Also tends to miss games every season due to injury or suspension.

 

[Souup]

Just going to throw this out there - I think the no key forwards rule in Supercoach is rubbish

If you rank the current listed forwards by total points, 3 out of the top 10 are key forwards (Cameron, Hawkins and Darling who come in at 6th, 7th and 8th respectively for the 2019 season). Only Cameron averaged over 90 but due to the top key forwards being durable they end up being great over a full season.

To further make the case i've listed averages for the last 5 seasons below of notable key forwards in each season (numbers in brackets = games missed that season)
2019: Hawkins 86(0), Darling 85(0), Cameron 93(0)
2018: Riewoldt 93(0) and Hawkins 102(1), Franklin 100(4), Darling 87(0), McDonald 98(4)
2017: Daniher 86(0), Kennedy 94(6), Hawkins 86(4), Lynch 85(4), Franklin 98(0), Cameron 89(3), McDonald 85
2016: Kennedy 98(0), Riewoldt 86(0), Lynch 93(0), Franklin 94(0)
2015: Lynch 89(2), Riewoldt 91(0), Kennedy 94(0)

You'll notice it's actually quite easy to pick good scoring key forwards in Supercoach if you look at the list above. Look for the following:
1. Plays for a top 8 side
2. Aged between 22-30yo
3. Good chance to win the Coleman
4. This is a bonus one to consider - Well priced (particularly relevant to Lynch and McDonald this season)

This means that good key forward options this season would be limited to basically these guys -> Hawkins, Lynch, Darling, Cameron, McDonald and Degoey (going to add Degoey here just for the sake of it as he basically plays as a key position forward. He's obviously much different to a traditional key forward but plays the role of one)

Take a look at the top 20 forwards by average this season - missed games everywhere.
Whitfield missed 6
Toby Greene missed 6
Lambert missed 4
Degoey missed 6
Greenwood missed 8
Gresham missed 3
Wallis missed 12
Gray missed 3
Ryder missed 5

There are several others that missed exactly 2 but I didn't include them. It's a miracle Gary Ablett played 21 and it seems he'll definitely be missing closer to ~4 games this season.

Particularly in a season where so many teams are taking risks on injury-prone players or players coming back from big injuries (Hill, Docherty, Roberton, Smith, Steven, Mitchell, Kelly, Naitanui, Jacobs, Whitfield, King, Cockatoo all popular selections), having a highly rated key forward who'll likely play 20+ games with the potential of going 90+ over the season might not be the worst idea.

Also, the rookies we have this season specifically in the forward line seem to have a low ceiling or shaky job security. Hosie, Rankine, King, McAdam, Cameron, Budarick, Cockatoo, Georgiades, Weightman, Mahony just to name some of the more popular ones. If one of your premiums misses 3 games, you'd hate to have to field McAdam or King and see them deliver 40s over those 3 weeks, or even worse, cop donuts because your rookies have been dropped or trade away your premium because you can't afford to cop the 0's.

Anyway, all that to say I think the whole 'don't pick key forwards' line isn't great advice. If you pick the right key forward at the right price, I think they can be excellent selections in your forward line.

EDIT: All the above info is relevant to overall. I understand that if you're playing for league than the inconsistency of key forwards going 140, 80 and 50 in 3 different weeks will lead to potentially losing league games. I only care for going for overall rank so my post is to those that focus on that.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Just going to throw this out there - I think the no key forwards rule in Supercoach is rubbish

If you rank the current listed forwards by total points, 3 out of the top 10 are key forwards (Cameron, Hawkins and Darling). Only Cameron averaged over 90 but due to the top key forwards being durable they end up being great over a full season.

To further make the case i've listed averages for the last 5 seasons below of notable key forwards in each season (numbers in brackets = games missed that season)
2019: Hawkins 86(0), Darling 85(0), Cameron 93(0)
2018: Riewoldt 93(0) and Hawkins 102(1), Franklin 100(4), Darling 87(0), McDonald 98(4)
2017: Daniher 86(0), Kennedy 94(6), Hawkins 86(4), Lynch 85(4), Franklin 98(0), Cameron 89(3), McDonald 85
2016: Kennedy 98(0), Riewoldt 86(0), Lynch 93(0), Franklin 94(0)
2015: Lynch 89(2), Riewoldt 91(0), Kennedy 94(0)

You'll notice it's actually quite easy to pick good scoring key forwards in Supercoach if you look at the list above. Look for the following:
1. Plays for a top 8 side
2. Aged between 22-30yo
3. Good chance to win the Coleman
4. This is a bonus one to consider - Well priced (particularly relevant to Lynch and McDonald this season)

This means that good key forward options this season would be limited to basically these guys -> Hawkins, Lynch, Darling, Cameron and McDonald

Take a look at the top 20 forwards by average this season - missed games everywhere.
Whitfield missed 6
Toby Greene missed 6
Lambert missed 4
Degoey missed 6
Greenwood missed 8
Gresham missed 3
Wallis missed 12
Gray missed 3
Ryder missed 5

There are several others that missed exactly 2 but I didn't include them. It's a miracle Gary Ablett played 21 and it seems he'll definitely be missing closer to ~4 games this season.

Particularly in a season where so many teams are taking risks on injury-prone players or players coming back from big injuries (Hill, Docherty, Roberton, Smith, Steven, Mitchell, Kelly, Naitanui, Jacobs, Whitfield, King, Cockatoo all popular selections), having a highly rated key forward who'll likely play 20+ games with the potential of going 90+ over the season might not be the worst idea.

Also, the rookies we have this season specifically in the forward line seem to have a low ceiling or shaky job security. Hosie, Rankine, King, McAdam, Cameron, Budarick, Cockatoo, Georgiades, Weightman, Mahony just to name some of the more popular ones. If one of your premiums misses 3 games, you'd hate to have to field McAdam or King and see them deliver 40s over those 3 weeks, or even worse, cop donuts because your rookies have been dropped or trade away your premium because you can't afford to cop the 0's.

Anyway, all that to say I think the whole 'don't pick key forwards' line isn't great advice. If you pick the right key forward at the right price, I think they can be excellent full-season selections.

Nice post but why stop at KEY forwards.

Why cant we just not pick forwards at all...

BTW Im liking Lynch due to price and not leaving the MCG until 2039 but other than that not interested. JJK would be next in line, again because of price. If he could kick a few bags in a row his price would jump 100k then youd sell him off at the byes.

 

[INSECURIOUS]

Hard to see Lynch being under priced.
Played every HA game last year and is priced at his 72 ave.

 

[Souup]

Hard to see Lynch being under priced.
Played every HA game last year and is priced at his 72 ave.

Had no preseason after having knee surgery in the off season leading up to 2019. He was touch and go for Round 1 and didn't really have a good fitness base. Once he built up his fitness levels he went crazy in the second half of the season and averaged 97 off the top of my head.

 

[Souup]

Nice post but why stop at KEY forwards.

Why cant we just not pick forwards at all...

BTW Im liking Lynch due to price and not leaving the MCG until 2039 but other than that not interested. JJK would be next in line, again because of price. If he could kick a few bags in a row his price would jump 100k then youd sell him off at the byes.

Key forwards are targeted much more than small forwards (meaning more goals) and gain points for contested marks which small forwards don't take nearly as often.

 

[INSECURIOUS]

Had no preseason after having knee surgery in the off season leading up to 2019. He was touch and go for Round 1 and didn't really have a good fitness base. Once he built up his fitness levels he went crazy in the second half of the season and averaged 97 off the top of my head.

Fair point re injury.
2nd half ave 82.5.

 

[Souup]

Fair point re injury.
2nd half ave 82.5.

Not sure how you got that number? 89 is the number I got which includes finals - which are harder to score in.

If you take his average from the bye rounds he averaged 95.5.

Since 2014 his averages are
2014 - 83 over 22 games (GC Finished 12th, 93%)
2015 - 89 over 20 games (GC Finished 16th, 73%)
2016 - 93 over 22 games (GC Finished 15th, 78%)
2017 - 85 over 19 games (GC Finished 17th, 76%)
2018 - 78 over 12 games (GC Finished 17th, 59.9%)

The fact he averaged what he did at the Gold Coast for so many years considering how bad they were is amazing.

I'm liking his chances of going at least 90+ this season.

 

[Quazza]

Nice post but why stop at KEY forwards.

Why cant we just not pick forwards at all...

BTW Im liking Lynch due to price and not leaving the MCG until 2039 but other than that not interested. JJK would be next in line, again because of price. If he could kick a few bags in a row his price would jump 100k then youd sell him off at the byes.

 

[Chism]

Lynch will go 140+ in rd 1 and he loves playing us.

Ultimate VC option for his owners and we have never been able to contain him and he just goes ****ing nuts as soon as he sees a Carlton defender on him.

 

[The Blade 18]

Is Vandenberg an option for F5 to make quick cash?