List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[katmanblue]

Think Plow is pretty settled where he is...the one we might push up the ground, should he ever be available, is Marchbank. One of the best runners at the club, would be interesting to trial him on a wing.

Slow decision maker

 

[HARKER]

Cap is 14.5M + 5% = 15,225,000.00 for us in 2021

Have you confirmation of this?
Numbers don't stack up given previous rate of increase.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Not too sure if the Blues have any interest in Jayden Stephenson or not but if they do #8 for Stephenson +#16
I think this would be extremely tempting for the Pies with their academy kid looking like a top 20 pick and their #16 will be could be #18/19 with the bids

Toss #16+#45 to DoDo as a take or leave it deal and just tell him if its no you will be using that pick to get saad in the november draft
He will have no choice and the entire football community will be laughing their backside off at his stupidity if that did occur and Carlton will come out like saints for using that pic in the draft to take him.

Serious question. Do you think the narrative on Trade Radio is currently being driven by Essendon power brokers leaking bs to the media?

Should I take it as you don't believe Saad is worth pick 8 based on the above offer too?

Just feels like everything has a heavy Essendon bias. Maybe that's just because I'm a Carlton supporter though.

 

[THE_GUN]

Serious question. Do you think the narrative on Trade Radio is currently being driven by Essendon power brokers leaking bs to the media?

Should I take it as you don't believe Saad is worth pick 8 based on the above offer too?

Just feels like everything has a heavy Essendon bias. Maybe that's just because I'm a Carlton supporter though.

Regarding the trade media i think there re real ' DoDo' hype happening there and people like Silvagni appear to be pushing the pick #8 is what is should be agenda for some reason and the 'leaking ' is being done by SOS (thats just my opinion due to his close friendship with DoDo and my belief that he has an agenda to get Jack to the bummers)

No way do i believe that Saad is worth pick #10 , He is worth #16/17 -#20/#21 imo is about his value , I also think Williams is about pick #15 range

 

[HARKER]

No way do i believe that Saad is worth pick #10 , He is worth #16/17 -#20/#21 imo is about his value , I also think Williams is about pick #15 range

That's really simplifying things, as different players would attract different values to different clubs.
It's not a one size fits all exercise.

There are many variables attached when it comes to needs.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Regarding the trade media i think there re real ' DoDo' hype happening there and people like Silvagni appear to be pushing the pick #8 is what is should be agenda for some reason and the 'leaking ' is being done by SOS (thats just my opinion due to his close friendship with DoDo and my belief that he has an agenda to get Jack to the bummers)

No way do i believe that Saad is worth pick #10 , He is worth #16/17 -#20/#21 imo is about his value , I also think Williams is about pick #15 range

Correct. We should do something like 8 for 22 & 23 + ? from Crows and then deal with Dodo.

 

[THE_GUN]

That's really simplifying things, as different players would attract different values to different clubs.
It's not a one size fits all exercise.

There are many variables attached when it comes to needs.

You are correct its not 1 size fits all but when you have options to get the value right for your player or the player you are bringing into the club then is a better system.

DoDo wants #8 for Saad but wants to give a future 2nd for Caldwell
By his own valuation then he should be offering #6+#7 for a 2 year to go contracted Dunkley

 

[katmanblue]

Have you confirmation of this?
Numbers don't stack up given previous rate of increase.

It's what came up when I googled it. However, I guess that's before list cuts.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Tried to and of course a lot of guess work involved.
Be interesting to see what others may come up with, but my assumptions were based on what I felt players would be receiving next year, with the exception of Cripps & Mckay, as indicated.

Just couldn't find a lazy 800K hanging around, although I tried.
The one thing that does stand out though, is McGovern. We knew that beforehand, but it just shows up more when comparing his money to some others that may be more deserving.

Think (not guaranteed) we front loaded Martin to $1.4M of this $600,000 a year contract to get to 95% of the cap last year?
***Not included in figures below reduced wages for Murphy & Casboult and upgrade wages of those who recently signed on***

So
+ $1.24M 95-105% of Cap
+ $800k Martin reduction
= $2.04M + Kruezer (?$500k) + Simpson (?$500k)

Available Cap
$3.04M
- Williams $950k
- Saad $650k
=$1,440,000 Remaining

I could be way off, but if not it leaves us enough room for the rumoured big fish

 

[Altum Volantes]

Hey guys - excuse the intrusion - what’s the thoughts on McGovern?

Staying on a much lower deal? - or could he go elsewhere?

 

[CJMB]

Hey guys - excuse the intrusion - what’s the thoughts on McGovern?

Staying on a much lower deal? - or could he go elsewhere?

He’s still contracted for another couple of years

 

[djw1952]

Just did a guess-timation on out TPP.
I have us at 13.675 mil inclusive of Saad & Williams

The current TPP is at ~13.5 mil, without the covid discounts.
We still have to add another few players, but likely to drop a few also, so we may take a little more off my estimation.
I didn't factor in additional money to Cripps and McKay though.

The point: I don't think we could possibly have a lot of money left.

Just a question Harks to do with our list but in a different direction...........As each team has to take 3 picks in the draft or upgrade rookies, what about players like Williams & Saad do they count as new to the list so therefore part of those 3 picks or not? What happens if the club runs out of picks doing trades to get new players onboard before the draft, do we still have to pick kids with picks in the 80s or 90s?

 

[CJMB]

Just a question Harks to do with our list but in a different direction...........As each team has to take 3 picks in the draft or upgrade rookies, what about players like Williams & Saad do they count as new to the list so therefore part of those 3 picks or not? What happens if the club runs out of picks doing trades to get new players onboard before the draft, do we still have to pick kids with picks in the 80s or 90s?

Trades and FA don’t count as draft picks. Rookie upgrades do.

If you want to keep taking picks, and you have list spots, you can have as many draft picks as you want at the end.

Also, kind of related, but for a club matching academy/FS bids, they can only use picks that align with free list spots. So if for example the Dogs have 3 list spots available on draft night, they can only combine the points from 3 picks to match the bid. They can’t just trade way down the order for a stack of s*** picks in the 4th round and combine the points for those, they’d have to use 3 picks (same as list spots) to get the points and anything else becomes a deficit for their first pick next year (luke Freo with Henry).

 

[Altum Volantes]

He’s still contracted for another couple of years

oh right?

I could swear he was OOC. Carry on!

 

[BigBreakfast]

Once we have saad im not sure we need much else... Docherty moves to the midfield with the return of Newman...


Newman weitering marchbank
Jones Saad plowman
Walsh cripps Murphy
McKay Martin Casboult
Better C.Curnow fisher
TDK Docherty Williams
Int ed and the res of the I/c from setterfield gibbons SPS Dow LOB
Kemp newnes stocker mcgovern Cuningham williamson

Does the midfield include reggies? Doc looking for a role somewhere?

 

[CJMB]

oh right?

I could swear he was OOC. Carry on!

Footy wire has it wrong and a couple of journos ran with their incorrect year.

don’t worry, you’re not the first...asking about his contract has been a constant here for months now.

 

[Eiffel 65]

A club's salary cap and draft currency is limited Rustica. We've overpaid for immediate impact in the past. As a result, we've been one of the worst performing sides over the past two decades. That strategy has been proven not to work.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Bradley Hill is a 3 x premiership player Jorge. He was recruited by St Kilda to help drive training standards.

He's a been there done that player, so he knows exactly what it takes to go to the promise land.

Saad doesn't have the same credentials as Hill.

 

[Eiffel 65]

I reckon if you went through every list, you'd struggle to fit Saad in the top 10 HBF's in the competition Kreuuuzeurns.

Don't overrate him because he's nominated Carlton. It's the same trap people fell into with Papley.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Pick 8 is definitely on the table Aphrodite.

The question is whether we can get something back in return, which doesn't appear to be very much at this stage.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I reckon if you went through every list, you'd struggle to fit Saad in the top 10 HBF's in the competition Kreuuuzeurns.

Don't overrate him because he's nominated Carlton. It's the same trap people fell into with Papley.

Probably right, but I’d go as far to say none of them have been as consistently good as him over the last 3 seasons, and most of them can’t defend as well as Saad can. He’s also incredibly durable.

A massive upgrade on 2020 Simmo. He is what Simmo was at his own best.

 

[Jorge]

Bradley Hill is a 3 x premiership player Jorge. He was recruited by St Kilda to help drive training standards.

He's a been there done that player, so he knows exactly what it takes to go to the promise land.

Saad doesn't have the same credentials as Hill.

Yep I’m not comparing them as players, although IMO Saad is in a similar category from an individual output perspective. I thought the original poster was inferring that Lethlein is some master negotiator who can get deals done better than Liddle can despite the fact that Hill cost the equivalent of pick 5 & Blake Acres

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Blake Acres

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8.9

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8.6

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3.7

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3.2

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1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

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7.7

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4.0

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2.7

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8.2

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3.8

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4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

. Add that he’s on 900k and probably should have been dropped this year..

 

[therubbernub]

Hey guys - excuse the intrusion - what’s the thoughts on McGovern?

Staying on a much lower deal? - or could he go elsewhere?

Heavily criticized here and for good reason. But there are mitigating factors- his injury history is at the bottom of most problems including his weight. Had similar interruptions at the crows, but was part of a much more mature crows forward line then, and often put in some cameo roles.
Teague knows what he is capable of and was instrumental in getting Mitch to the blues.
I think most want to give him an uninterrupted season alongside Harry and Charlie to really judge his worth.

He is contracted so not sure how he would agree to a lower deal.
Talk to us next year, we will either be asking 2 first rounders or you could have him for a bag of chips

 

[Tim H]

Lachie Fogarty?

AFL web site has linked him to Carlton, Small fwd/mid.

Two questions come to mind:
1. Is he any good?
2. What's he worth?
I think he was an earlyish pick a couple of years ago.

Any info would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Think (not guaranteed) we front loaded Martin to $1.4M of this $600,000 a year contract to get to 95% of the cap last year?
***Not included in figures below reduced wages for Murphy & Casboult and upgrade wages of those who recently signed on***

So
+ $1.24M 95-105% of Cap
+ $800k Martin reduction
= $2.04M + Kruezer (?$500k) + Simpson (?$500k)

Available Cap
$3.04M
- Williams $950k
- Saad $650k
=$1,440,000 Remaining

I could be way off, but if not it leaves us enough room for the rumoured big fish

Not sure Martin would want another front loaded year at a time when wages will, in all likelihood, be cut again. Not sure anyone would really. I would rather hold off on another big fish this year and see what the economic climate and internal development looks like in 2021. We also have big names to re sign next year. Don’t want to become Collingwood before we even crack into the finals picture.