List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[BrisbaneCFC]

The one I want to pry loose this year is Ian Hill. If he doesn't play ones at any point, get in his ear and get him to us as quickly and quietly as possible.

Agreed. Rather do that than pay a motza for Papley.

 

[DangerousD]

Oh and Curnow is not on $750k - it is up to $800k with a case of $600k. Only gets the extra $200k if he hits certain targets (games played, B/F finish etc).

How do you know this information?

 

[Blue1980]

just thinking about how different carlton would look with wines and crouch in the side, effectively taking out ed and murphy

They’d still play, Murph could be more damaging on the outside.

Ed full on tagging or lockdown role, which he should be doing now anyway

 

[Gethelred]

Agreed. Rather do that than pay a motza for Papley.

I don't think he'd be cheap, mind. He's contracted til 2022, so at the very least it'd be a pick before 30, IMO.

They don't want to lose him.

 

[Blue1980]

Starting to pay overs to players is my one big concern now that the steady hand of SOS is gone, if we start paying big money to players just to get them through the door and generate a quick fix then all our hard work in the rebuild will be wasted and we will screw up our TPP again after SOS did such an outstanding job to get it back to a good place, this is the quickest way back to the bad old days.

You are overrating SOS. He did some good things but overall mixed legacy.

I agree the TPP is well under control now, that is also a product of not having many decent players to pay and the fact we have failed to get our targets.

 

[Blue1980]

Continuing to trade for former high draft picks from GWS who haven't shown much is surely the definition of insanity

Not shown much and have history of injury problems. I think people get hung up on original draft position, if a guy has shown nothing for 2-3 years in the system, and he was a pick 5 and a guy at 35 has shown plenty, the guy at pick 35 is worth more.

 

[Kouta2Fev]

How do you know this information?

if I told you that...

re your comment - he is in year 1 of 4. Google “premature”

 

[Kouta2Fev]

You are overrating SOS. He did some good things but overall mixed legacy.

I agree the TPP is well under control now, that is also a product of not having many decent players to pay and the fact we have failed to get our targets.

Our TPP was stuffed in 2015 when we won the spoon. You can debate SOS’s drafting but he fixed our TPP. Simple fact

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I don't think he'd be cheap, mind. He's contracted til 2022, so at the very least it'd be a pick before 30, IMO.

They don't want to lose him.

I guess it depends if he can get games or not, that's always a key issue in a player moving. He may not come cheap , but wont be as expensive as Papley in either picks or salary I would suggest. I have really fallen out of favour with Papley at the moment. I said the other day, I don't really see him moving the needle much without a massive improvement in our midfield at the same time. Id rather we just get the ready made midfield help that Cripps needs.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

if I told you that...

re your comment - he is in year 1 of 4. Google “premature”

I googled " premature " and all that came up was a picture of my ex wife laughing at me.

 

[Blue1980]

I guess it comes down to expectations. Over the last decade we have probably had 4 highly rated mids on our list. Judd, Murphy, Cripps and at a stretch Gibbs. Look how much more those guys showed then all our kids bar Walsh now. At the same age they were atleast holding their own.
SPS is close imo but not yet as a mid.
i would bet it’s an exception to the rule to become a gun if you aren’t atleast handy in your third year. I’m sure there are a fair few exceptions but we are probably betting against the odds if we think we are getting a powerhouse midfield out of the guys we’ve seen. Absolutely nothing wrong with not becoming stars individually though.

100% agree, usually guys who become really good mids are at least decent players by season 3.

The odds aren’t in favour of Dow, Setterfield, Cuningham, LOB etc

 

[Kouta2Fev]

I googled " premature " and all that came up was a picture of my ex wife laughing at me.

I like you

I have some spray I can lend you. Helps with the problem (or so I hear)

 

[Blue1980]

I’ve read a lot since the Melb game about how hopeless Murphy and Ed are and how we need to replace them now and I think people have short memories and tend to forget there upside in there rush to bag there deficiency’s, during the whole Teague train resurgence last year those 2 were right up there driving the train, Murphy’s second half of the year was nothing short of outstanding and won us many games with his class and composure, bananas anyone, Ed was also outstanding and stood strong in all our wins especially when Cripps was missing, the problem is not these 2 but the lack of support to allow these 2 to play with some freedom.

100% issue is the younger guys haven’t stepped up to take any responsibility off them, either because their not ready or never will be.

 

[DangerousD]

re your comment - he is in year 1 of 4. Google “premature”

Which is exactly what I posted to you in post number 2006.

I googled premature by the way, there was a picture of Charlie Curnow there, with a short description, paying players $800,000 per year after 56 games, is premature.

 

[Gethelred]

I guess it depends if he can get games or not, that's always a key issue in a player moving. He may not come cheap , but wont be as expensive as Papley in either picks or salary I would suggest. I have really fallen out of favour with Papley at the moment. I said the other day, I don't really see him moving the needle much without a massive improvement in our midfield at the same time. Id rather we just get the ready made midfield help that Cripps needs.

Williams and Crouch/Wines, Hill for a second (hopefully).

I'd prefer Wines because IMO he is kept artificially heavy by Port's policy of having big inside mids, and he could slim down and potentially gain a bit of agility and a step or two of pace, because he's just too big, and Crouch is extremely injury prone.

The idea is, Walsh isn't slow, Cuningham isn't slow, Murphy isn't slow, Fisher isn't slow, Martin isn't slow, and Williams isn't slow; having Wines and Cripps isn't going to hurt us defensively if they're surrounded by enough speed. Stocker replaces Ed, Wines Murphy inside (with Murphy to either retire and LOB to play on the other wing, opposite Walsh, or to take that wing). We get the ball into Williams, Martin or LOB's hands, as distributors into forward 50; let these players be links between the fifty and the midfield, even if that's the only way we get the ball in. Make it a coaching rule; if you kick inside forward 50, you're dropped unless your name is one of these three.

Hill to take the other pocket and lay tackles and kick goals, in anticipation for him to move onto a flank or a wing if he's got the chops. I like Honey, but we need someone to replace Eddie within 2 seasons.

 

[Blue1980]

When there is 5 minutes left in a prelim or GF and Charlie with his X factor takes the game by the scruff and delivers the knockout blow....remember this moment

When we are in a prelim...

 

[Kouta2Fev]

Which is exactly what I posted to you in post number 2006.

I googled premature by the way, there was a picture of Charlie Curnow there, with a short description, paying players $800,000 per year after 56 games, is premature.

you have a sense of humour

I like you too

 

[Kouta2Fev]

When we are in a prelim...

2024 called

 

[Blue1980]

Thought the same last year regarding Murphy but now with Betts + Martin on the list and Cuningham in the side i dont see a spot for Murphy forward .
And players such as Honey and Philp who are both exciting prospects , as well as fairly well developed physically at a young age id prefer to give games to these 2 than play Murphy forward .
I'll be surprised if Murphy is offered another contract for next year .

I think it will depend on how the side is going and how many other experienced guys are moved on.

I get the feeling Daisy was moved on because they wanted to stagger the retirements of the older guys

 

[Kouta2Fev]

I think it will depend on how the side is going and how many other experienced guys are moved on.

I get the feeling Daisy was moved on because they wanted to stagger the retirements of the older guys

no Daisy was moved on because he had a bad attitude and he pissed off someone he shouldn’t have

 

[bigblueboy]

Caldwell will be a much better player than Hatley

 

[Blue1980]

Toby McLean...
Played his best footy as a mid but is now stuck in a pocket due to the depth in their midfield. Contracted to 2022 but might be gettable. Dogs might need currency for JUH bids, so could be a win-win.

Yeah def a good one to look at. We know he can play, he wouldn’t cost the earth either

 

[Blue1980]

Sounds easy. So why haven't we been able to do that. Eddie was drafted in 2004 and Milne last century.

Since 2004 Cameron and Papley were rookie picks but how many others were rookies. I'll give Garlett and Tippa which makes 4 in 15 drafts. You may find another one or two but it certainly isn't many.

I don't think they grow on trees and they certainly don't come regularly. If you can get your hands on one I reckon you go all in.

Ryan good for eagles at pick 60-70 in the draft?

I’m sure there are others, but point stands you don’t just hope to get them on the cheap

 

[DangerousD]

you have a sense of humour

I like you too

I also really like Charlie, I was only pointing out that I think, the SOS doesn’t/didn’t pay overs line, isn’t entirely correct.

 

[DangerousD]

Yeah def a good one to look at. We know he can play, he wouldn’t cost the earth either

Would be cheaper than Papley