2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[Crows I Am]

How exactly is he free?

The only way he's free is if he walks to the pre-season draft and I don't see that happening with this lad.....we'll be ponying up a 2nd round pick if we want him badly enough.....I'm hoping it's just his management starting these rumours.

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison

Jack Graham and Matt Crouch AFL Stats Comparison.

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If Richmond are keen to get rid of him like you mentioned above then we could probably get him for a 3rd round pick. But as you said is a risk with his shoulder injuries.

Would be decent midfield depth for a few years while we bring new mids in through the draft and give them a chance to develop.

 

[lunacy]

maybe we should recruit Adrian McAdam whilst we’re at it?

How is that in anyway relevant?

 

[Mego Red]

How is that in anyway relevant?

I think it's the "he also played a good game once" idea.

 

[Bojangles17]

I think we can get him as a DFA, or worst a 4th. Richmond are pretty decent with giving fringe blokes games elsewhere for not much. Butler, Stengle and Townsend recent examples

Graham isn’t a fringe player , he’s only missed a handful of games since debut. He’d be a required player , but as balmey said if he said he wanted to go home we’d look at what was on table, he ain’t Tyson Stengel it would take more than r4 . His age proven finals player , r2 pick would get it done for a player than would be in your side from r1

 

[Mego Red]

Honestly, one of the toughest things this offseason is the amount of changes we'll need to make.

Let's say we want four picks before our NGAs. That's 7 draft picks. Then maybe trade three players in? Then perhaps lists go to 40 from 44?

That's 14 guys to come off the list - almost a third of the players currently playing for us.

You'd think it's easy - but there's not that many off contract players, and some of them we either are recontracting, or we'd maybe want to. Or players that would be better to keep for a year instead of trading while contracted, because we would get a better return from free agent compo.

 

[cleanhands]

Honestly, one of the toughest things this offseason is the amount of changes we'll need to make.

Let's say we want four picks before our NGAs. That's 7 draft picks. Then maybe trade three players in? Then perhaps lists go to 40 from 44?

That's 14 guys to come off the list - almost a third of the players currently playing for us.

You'd think it's easy - but there's not that many off contract players, and some of them we either are recontracting, or we'd maybe want to. Or players that would be better to keep for a year instead of trading while contracted, because we would get a better return from free agent compo.

And that’s only on field

 

[Mego Red]

Graham isn’t a fringe player , he’s only missed a handful of games since debut. He’d be a required player , but as balmey said if he said he wanted to go home we’d look at what was on table, he ain’t Tyson Stengel it would take more than r4 . His age proven finals player , r2 pick would get it done for a player than would be in your side from r1

**** no.

He's out of your side a lot. He's missed five games this year, ten games last year and five games the year before that - sometimes dropped, sometimes because of shoulder issues he has.

Has gotten 16 or less disposals in every game this year, which is pretty poor for a mid.

We'd only want him for leadership and to have a strong body for a couple of years while we rebuild. There is ZERO chance we give you a 2nd round pick. Players like Graham never go for that much.

 

[Mego Red]

CURRENT CROWS LIST

Probable Free Agents?
Brad CROUCH
Rory ATKINS
Kyle HARTIGAN

Probable Main List retirements and delistings?
Riley KNIGHT
Bryce GIBBS
Jordan GALLUCCI
Myles POHOLKE
Taylor WALKER
David MACKAY

Probable Rookie List retirements and delistings?
Ben CROCKER
Patrick WILSON
Ayce TAYLOR
Kieran STRACHAN

Possible Trade Options or Contracted delistings?
Matt CROUCH
Jake KELLY
Paul SEEDSMAN
Billy FRAMPTON
Tom LYNCH
Ben DAVIS

Kept for 2021?
Chayce JONES
Lachlan MURPHY
Rory SLOANE
Daniel TALIA
Luke BROWN
Will HAMILL
Tyson STENGLE
Shane MCADAM
Josh WORRELL
Ned MCHENRY
Harry SCHOENBERG
Ben KEAYS
Rory LAIRD
Wayne MILERA
Darcy FOGARTY
Brodie SMITH
Elliott HIMMELBERG
Fischer MCASEY
Andrew MCPHERSON
Ronin O'CONNOR
Lachlan SHOLL
Tom DOEDEE
Jordon BUTTS
Reilly O'BRIEN
Lachlan GOLLANT

 

[Setter Man]

Your kidding yourself if you think you’ll get him as a DFA.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You missed the most important bit....stuffed shoulders, why do you think Neil Balme was so "matter of fact" when asked the other day about several other clubs rumoured to be showing interest (Essendon & Crows). Along the lines "We'd understand if he was looking elsewhere"...Surely there's alarm bells going off there and hardly fills you with confidence. Sounds like he already has one foot outside the door to me.

Balme: Richmond potentially open to Jack Graham trade request

“If he’s got somewhere he wants to go, we’ll certainly talk about it, but we’re very keen for him to stay."

www.sen.com.au

Great ...another slow midfielder that RICH are happy to let go

We had the chance to draft him in his draft year

 

[Crow_68]

Great ...another slow midfielder that RICH are happy to let go

We had the chance to draft him in his draft year

Would only be keen if M Crouch is moved on.


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[nick1408]

Great ...another slow midfielder that RICH are happy to let go

We had the chance to draft him in his draft year

Everyone did a few times - he went as pick 54.

I'm not sure Richmond are entirely happy to let him go, probably more the situation around contract and potential list shrinkage (as well as him being South Australian and a Crows supporter) has gotten journalists putting 2+2 together. While he isn't elite he does have traits that sides want in their side, hence why he was a Premiership player after debuting in round 22 of 2017 and would have played in 2019 if not for a buggered shoulder.

He'd be a good get but I can't see Richmond letting him go cheaply. The players who have gone cheaply are the likes of Stengle after 2 games total, Butler after 22 games over 2 seasons, Miles after 6 games over 2 seasons, Corey Ellis after 7 games total and Lloyd after 15 games in 2 seasons. These guys were no longer required players while Graham is still very much a required player. He played every game he was fit for in 2017 followed by 18, 16 and 7 this season.

It's always a weird situation trading these mid-tier players as value is hard to peg. He may go for a 3rd rounder with some picks swapped around or he may go for a second rounder. I just can't see him going for a 4th rounder and obviously he isn't worth a first rounder.

think he will end up at Adelaide but I don't think there will be a clear winner in the trade

 

[Bojangles17]

fu** no.

He's out of your side a lot. He's missed five games this year, ten games last year and five games the year before that - sometimes dropped, sometimes because of shoulder issues he has.

Has gotten 16 or less disposals in every game this year, which is pretty poor for a mid.

We'd only want him for leadership and to have a strong body for a couple of years while we rebuild. There is ZERO chance we give you a 2nd round pick. Players like Graham never go for that much.

He’s played a heck of a lot more than Townsend and butler did. I get a sense that recruiters won’t make the same foolish mistake of 12m ago when they considered that butler couldn’t crack it into a premiership side so wouldn’t do it for them either , saints were only clever ones. Do you think graham would have missed any games if playing for a side out of the 8 .

 

[Mego Red]

He’s played a heck of a lot more than Townsend and butler did. I get a sense that recruiters won’t make the same foolish mistake of 12m ago when they considered that butler couldn’t crack it into a premiership side so wouldn’t do it for them either , saints were only clever ones. Do you think graham would have missed any games if playing for a side out of the 8 .

Butler has gone well, but the actual lesson is that pretty much every other player traded away by Richmond hasn't amounted to much.

They were traded away for a reason.

Mediocre players in good teams nearly always stay mediocre players in bad teams.

 

[Bojangles17]

Butler has gone well, but the actual lesson is that pretty much every other player traded away by Richmond hasn't amounted to much.

They were traded away for a reason.

Mediocre players in good teams nearly always stay mediocre players in bad teams.

Well that’s prob subjective opinion , the following are all playing regular senior football

Butler
Ellis
Stengel
Conca
Townsend dropped this week
Lloyd

I would have thought haven’t amounted to much would be not getting a game , which the reality is bs

 

[Thetrader15]

Graham isn’t a fringe player , he’s only missed a handful of games since debut. He’d be a required player , but as balmey said if he said he wanted to go home we’d look at what was on table, he ain’t Tyson Stengel it would take more than r4 . His age proven finals player , r2 pick would get it done for a player than would be in your side from r1

No way we should pay a 2nd for him. He's only playing about 70% of ganes iver the last 3 years, so either he has serious injury concerns or is fringe.

I'd rather keep a proven Matt Crouch

 

[Johnny Rutten]

No way we should pay a 2nd for him. He's only playing about 70% of ganes iver the last 3 years, so either he has serious injury concerns or is fringe.

I'd rather keep a proven Matt Crouch

I don't really care if we get Graham or not, but fringe for Richmond probably equates to best-15 at AFC.

 

[Crow_68]

6 changes for GWS and Hately still can’t get a gig.......


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[crowholder]

6 changes for GWS and Hately still can’t get a gig.......


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Looks like GWS do not rate him as much as many posters here.

 

[Crow_68]

Looks like GWS do not rate him as much as many posters here.

Would take him for a second rounder (ahead of Jack Graham)


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[Mutineer]

Would take him for a second rounder (ahead of Jack Graham)


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Absobloodylutely...At least he has a point of difference...size and versatility

 

[crowholder]

Absobloodylutely...At least he has a point of difference...size and versatility

I agree Hately > Graham, but not fussed about the Crows recruiting either.

 

[Dogga]

Little love for Jack Graham in these parts but has a level of composure rarely seen from our senior mids in 2020. If both Crouches go would be a good fit to lead a young midfield with support from one of either Hately/Valente.

 

[Sanders]

How is that in anyway relevant?

seriously?

wonder what Mark Mcgough is doing

 

[Crowstar]

Jack Graham looked better tonight than any of the mids we have playing.
I'd happily take him for a 2nd round.