Draft 2021 AFLW Draft discussion

[The_Wookie]

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[PMBangers]

Is her father Adrian Campbell?

Yep

 

[RedmanWasHere]

I think he married one of the O'Donnell sisters also who was a gun netballer?

If Jasmine is, indeed, an O'Donnell deep down, that's a fair pedigree that's flourished and opened.

She'd be part of the Rankin family of the Geelong Cats.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Yeah Hicks was the only one on a 2021 AFLW list who also played in the WBBL last season, and Duffin will likely be back doing both next spring/summer. Nobody on a state team contract.

A couple others played a bit of first grade club cricket in the season just gone but, unless I'm forgetting somebody, they were the likes of Pope and Matin who were late replacement signings for their respective AFLW teams.

 

[TBOW]

Can someone explain how the hell Geelong get 3 picks in the top 9, but the Saints only get 1 in the top 20??!!

Club - Total Wins - Total Matched
Geelong - 6 - 22
St Kilda 5 - 15

yeah me too, i agree 100%
Why are the Cats getting compo picks better than the Tigers, when the Cats made the PF in 2019 and have won 6 and lost 17 in 23 games they've played over 3 seasons whilst not finishing last in any of them
Why do the Saints have the same compo picks as the Tigers having won 5 and lost 15 in 20 games they've played over 2 seasons whilst not finishing last in any of them
The Tigers have only won 3 (all this season) and lost 17 in 20 games we've played over 2 seasons, finishing last with 0 wins last season
Something the Cats and Saints haven't done as yet (finishing last)
Surely the Tigers should have what the Cats and Saints have combined in compo picks
We should have Vic Picks 3, 4, 5, 13, 14 and 15

The AFL seems to have be in an over-reactionary compensation phase at the moment - including Gold Coast's ridiculous package in the men's comp in 2019 (pick 1, mid first rounder and 2 start of second round picks over 2 years).

They also have a massive recency bias in the way that they have evaluated the teams in need of compensation.
Both Geelong and St.Kilda won more games than the Bulldogs in 2020 and St.Kilda beat us in 2021, but while they have received compensation we have had our pick 7 (4 vic) pushed back to pick 11 (6 vic). This is not a complaint and I don't believe that the dogs needed a compensation pick - I'm just pointing out the discrepancy in the team evaluations. Richmond have also clearly suffered due to their good run of form in the second half of the year.

I think the only real problem with the recent compensation picks handed out is that the compensation for Geelong was far too excessive, especially when you factor in that Morrison missed the whole season and Purcell missed half.
Even if Purcell does leave in the off season they will receive another first round pick in exchange for her and end up with 4 first round picks.
One first rounder and a second rounder would have been more than enough to give Geelong a leg up.

I also think than when you evaluate the compensation handed to St.Kilda you need to include the ruling "no trading of the top 5 picks".
This is essentially the Rowbottom/Prespakis to St.Kilda clause.
If that rule had not been included clubs would have been lining up to trade for pick 1 and 2 and St.Kilda would have likely ended up with the third live pick in the vic draft. When you factor that in St.Kilda have also done reasonably well out of this little convoluted compensation package.

 

[Teen Wolf]

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All five clubs are unable to trade their first five selections as a condition of receiving the two priority picks.

Well we know part of that statement isn't true (StK and Rich only received one priority pick), so it makes the other part of the statement somewhat untrustworthy.

But that interpretation also lines up with what WC reported on their website:

The priority selections are given on the basis that the first five picks head by each club receiving Special Assistance must not be traded ahead of the 2021 NAB AFL Women’s Draft.

So at this point, it's either the AFL that have made a terrible decision or it's the journalists who are totally incompetent.

 

[PMBangers]

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Well we know part of that statement isn't true (StK and Rich only received one priority pick), so it makes the other part of the statement somewhat untrustworthy.

But that interpretation also lines up with what WC reported on their website:

So at this point, it's either the AFL that have made a terrible decision or it's the journalists who are totally incompetent.

Tbh i almost find this counter productive, a team like Geelong should be allowed to trade whatever they need to, to get in 22-25 year old talents, rather than top up with more fresh from U19s girls

 

[TBOW]

Tbh i almost find this counter productive, a team like Geelong should be allowed to trade whatever they need to, to get in 22-25 year old talents, rather than top up with more fresh from U19s girls

I agree - at face value it is baffling.
But it would not surprise me if this was agreed upon in order to ensure St.Kilda had access to one of Rowbottom or Prespakis.

 

[Biggie]

Not sure how many people regularly check it, but the U19's page has a fair bit of new info since my last look

NAB AFLW U19s and U17s - womens.afl

The home of the NAB AFL Women's.

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most notably, AFLW Academy v Collingwood VFLW on June 13th and a national futures game on the 3rd of July

Yep noticed that buddy.

My eldest got left out of the below after being in NAB U16 AFLW squad. Funnily enough since that news her frees against at WAFLW U18 level have gone up from .8 prior to 2.6 after, LOL. But so has her gut running and overall stats. Her ego got hammered, no doubt about it. Could be the best thing that has happened to her in her short career

NAB AFLW U17 Championships

Wed 26 May	WA Black v WA Gold	Cockburn ARC, WA	6:00pm AWST
Wed 2 June	WA Black v WA Gold	Cockburn ARC, WA	6:00pm AWST

 

[PMBangers]

Yep noticed that buddy.

My eldest got left out of the below after being in NAB U16 ALFW squad. Funnily enough since that news her frees against at WAFLW U18 level have gone up from .8 prior to 2.6 after, LOL. But so has her gut running and overall stats. Her ego got hammered, no doubt about it. Could be the best thing that has happened to her in her short career

NAB AFLW U17 Championships

Wed 26 May	WA Black v WA Gold	Cockburn ARC, WA	6:00pm AWST
Wed 2 June	WA Black v WA Gold	Cockburn ARC, WA	6:00pm AWST

Good luck to her in the future. Being involved with the local interleague for a few years there's plenty of Oakleigh/Sandy girls that didn't make some cuts there that are better players at NAB League level now, so as long as she's getting constructive feedback and uses it as motivation I'm sure she'll better off for it!
What's your view of the 17s in WA? I know coming into the champs Stribley was the one most saw as No. 2 behind Roberts, but I found Wakfer more impressive personally

 

[Biggie]

What's your view of the 17s in WA? I know coming into the champs Stribley was the one most saw as No. 2 behind Roberts, but I found Wakfer more impressive personally

Stribley is a jet, very quick, clean user. Very slight. I like Wakfer also. Jamie Henry from Swans can play as well.

I am hoping we call training off for the 2nd NAB U17s game June 2nd to go watch , the we will have a better idea of whose who in the zoo.

 

[AlphaSheep]

Stribley is a jet, very quick, clean user. Very slight. I like Wakfer also. Jamie Henry from Swans can play as well.

I am hoping we call training off for the 2nd NAB U17s game June 2nd to go watch , the we will have a better idea of whose who in the zoo.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record (what's a record? ask the kids) I'm not convinced of Henry's speed. Otherwise she's excellent, but I think lack of speed is the main reason outstanding juniors don't make it in the seniors (Kate Bartlett).

 

[Stan Judkins]

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Well we know part of that statement isn't true (StK and Rich only received one priority pick), so it makes the other part of the statement somewhat untrustworthy.

But that interpretation also lines up with what WC reported on their website:

So at this point, it's either the AFL that have made a terrible decision or it's the journalists who are totally incompetent.

So how is the trading period going to work?
With the statement in the article saying
:GEELONG and Gold Coast will hit the 2021 NAB AFLW Draft hard, holding five selections each"
Do all clubs given assistance can't trade any of their first 5 picks, they have to go to the draft?
" All five clubs are unable to trade their first five selections as a condition of receiving the two priority picks"???????

 

[Stan Judkins]

From the RFC website
"Richmond currently hold four picks in the 2021 NAB AFL Women's Draft, after receiving a priority selection in the second round last Friday.
The Tigers are unable to trade their first four selections as a condition of receiving the priority pick."
So GC, Geelong, WC, Saints and Tigers have to go to the Draft??????
WOW

 

[PMBangers]

From the RFC website
"Richmond currently hold four picks in the 2021 NAB AFL Women's Draft, after receiving a priority selection in the second round last Friday.
The Tigers are unable to trade their first four selections as a condition of receiving the priority pick."
So GC, Geelong, WC, Saints and Tigers have to go to the Draft??????
WOW

This is so dumb, like with Geelong, I feel that if Saints or tigers can convince a 22-25 year old player to request a trade to them that's going to be far more helpful than a fresh from the U19's player. I guess this also puts an end to Marinoff to Saints rumours unless people think they can find 3 players to trade to Adelaide?
For Gold Coast and West Coast as well, they just need players in general, if they had someone wanting to move to their state does this mean they're essentially out of the race for that player? Just dumb

 

[Teen Wolf]

I don't think it really can work, that's why I'm holding out hope for the incompetent journalism angle.

 

[Stan Judkins]

I don't think it really can work, that's why I'm holding out hope for the incompetent journalism angle.

Doesn't seem to be incompetent journalism
RFC website confirmed
"Richmond currently hold four picks in the 2021 NAB AFL Women's Draft, after receiving a priority selection in the second round last Friday.
The Tigers are unable to trade their first four selections as a condition of receiving the priority pick."

 

[Teen Wolf]

Doesn't seem to be incompetent journalism
RFC website confirmed
"Richmond currently hold four picks in the 2021 NAB AFL Women's Draft, after receiving a priority selection in the second round last Friday.
The Tigers are unable to trade their first four selections as a condition of receiving the priority pick."

Sarah Black wrote both the RFC and AFLW website articles. But even if her interpretation is accurate, the manner in which it has been reported is incompetent.

Would've thought a half-decent journo might stress the significance of that trading restriction and try to investigate what the rationale is behind it.

 

[Stan Judkins]

This is so dumb, like with Geelong, I feel that if Saints or tigers can convince a 22-25 year old player to request a trade to them that's going to be far more helpful than a fresh from the U19's player. I guess this also puts an end to Marinoff to Saints rumours unless people think they can find 3 players to trade to Adelaide?
For Gold Coast and West Coast as well, they just need players in general, if they had someone wanting to move to their state does this mean they're essentially out of the race for that player? Just dumb

The only hope now for GC and Geelong is they can both sign two "mature-age" talent from their respective regions ahead of the draft.
How are Geelong going to get "Adelaide premiership youngster Chloe Scheer"?????

 

[Stan Judkins]

Sarah Black wrote both the RFC and AFLW website articles. But even if her interpretation is accurate, the manner in which it has been reported is incompetent.

Would've thought a half-decent journo might stress the significance of that trading restriction and try to investigate what the rationale is behind it.

Where have all the half-decent journo's gone
They haven't investigated what the rationale is behind it, because 1) they don't know how, 2) they're lazy???

 

[PMBangers]

The only hope now for GC and Geelong is they can both sign two "mature-age" talent from their respective regions ahead of the draft.
How are Geelong going to get "Adelaide premiership youngster Chloe Scheer"?????

Geelong at the very least can get Tierney/ Garth in and then have a fair few VFLW listed girls that aren't too bad, that'll be the slightest boost ever though. Yep, Scheer is exactly the sort of player they'd benefit most from getting, young, already high quality but scope for improvement still, so that's a massive blow

Where have all the half-decent journo's gone
They haven't investigated what the rationale is behind it, because 1) they don't know how, 2) they're lazy???

To be fair to Black, she's essentially the only afl journo for the entire comp and they don't give much at the best of times, so in a situation where there's going to be backlash and the AFL still probably don't have all the answers, the vagueness is expected

 

[jatz14]

Geelong at the very least can get Tierney/ Garth in and then have a fair few VFLW listed girls that aren't too bad, that'll be the slightest boost ever though. Yep, Scheer is exactly the sort of player they'd benefit most from getting, young, already high quality but scope for improvement still, so that's a massive blow


To be fair to Black, she's essentially the only afl journo for the entire comp and they don't give much at the best of times, so in a situation where there's going to be backlash and the AFL still probably don't have all the answers, the vagueness is expected

Of the last 10 articles on AFLW, 2 were uncredited, and 7 of the other 9 were by Sarah. She is basically the sole person keeping the AFLW in the news, and providing info to the public, so she is pretty stretched.

 

[Teen Wolf]

How are Geelong going to get "Adelaide premiership youngster Chloe Scheer"?????

They'd probably make it a 3-way deal with Purcell going to Melbourne who'd give up their 1st rounder to Adelaide.

But no matter how you look at it, Geelong would be giving up a promising young player, so the rule achieves nothing except to complicate trades.

 

[eduardo13]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record (what's a record? ask the kids) I'm not convinced of Henry's speed. Otherwise she's excellent, but I think lack of speed is the main reason outstanding juniors don't make it in the seniors (Kate Bartlett).

Henry is still only 15 so there is plenty of time to build her running, but she has been playing all year at league level and been good and there aren't many others who have done that

 

[Stan Judkins]

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Well we know part of that statement isn't true (StK and Rich only received one priority pick), so it makes the other part of the statement somewhat untrustworthy.

But that interpretation also lines up with what WC reported on their website:

So at this point, it's either the AFL that have made a terrible decision or it's the journalists who are totally incompetent.

this part of the article states
" The five clubs are unable to trade their respective first picks, which are the first five selections of the draft."
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[Teen Wolf]

this part of the article states
" The five clubs are unable to trade their respective first picks, which are the first five selections of the draft."
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

That's the part of the article which originally said "All five clubs are unable to trade their first five selections as a condition of receiving the two priority picks."

Therefore she's looked into it and changed it. So, thankfully, I'd say that solves the mystery!