Position 2021 Defenders

[Significant]

I have moved him in after downgrading from Neale.
Lloyd will have another belter, and at least you know Neale can go missing in games, or drop a bad score.

 

[Barnzy]

He's in full training and is basically a certainty to start. With the way backmen are scoring, Lloyd could average 130, like no joke. Waiting on the injury report next week.

Possibly. In general I think the top guys prices and averages from last year are all inflated - Gawn, Neale, Lloyd, etc.

Lloyd jumped +14 points on average and +10 from his career best. Gawn +11 and Neale +13.

Odds are in favour of them all not repeating career best years and I can see them losing money. Just a strategy I will probably avoid at least Lloyd and Neale to start with and look for value. We will see how it goes.

Touch and go?

Sorry meant more underdone. But has like less than 5% to do with why I am not picking him.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Possibly. In general I think the top guys prices and averages from last year are all inflated - Gawn, Neale, Lloyd, etc.

Lloyd jumped +14 points on average and +10 from his career best. Gawn +11 and Neale +13.

Odds are in favour of them all not repeating career best years and I can see them losing money. Just a strategy I will probably avoid at least Lloyd and Neale to start with and look for value. We will see how it goes.

I've spent two seasons trying to trade Lloyd in and not managing it, he's so damn consistent he never drops much in price. Neale more likely to have a stinker and drop a bit imo.

 

[Silky23]

Yeah the more I look at my team it looks fantastic without Lloyd but you just know he’s gonna take every single kick out, he’s gonna lag off and take intercept marks, and he’s gonna get a ton of handball receives. He actually could go higher than last year, he’s already said his role is the same as always - give me the footy. Perfect for the new afl environment.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Sexiest D5 and D6 in supercoach kentys.

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Young Butts .

 

[rocker_oz33]

Is Young over priced he had like one or two priced raises.

Not much injury discount.

Oscar McDonald

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Oscar Mcdonald

Age

29

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

got like no discount.

 

[rocker_oz33]

He's in full training and is basically a certainty to start. With the way backmen are scoring, Lloyd could average 130, like no joke. Waiting on the injury report next week.

Alot jumped off Stewart last year...injuried in pre season .then came out all guns blazing.

Lloyd a must have .

Either start with him.

Or move heaven and earth and 500 Chols to get him in later on.

 

[Bollox]

Just don't pick him and get him as an upgrade target.

Coming off an injury and touch and go for Rd 1 screams slow start and price drops. He's maxed out as is.

100% good to go.
Was a minor strain and only rested due to being a rubbish preseason game.
Apparently not even a 1 week injury during regular HnA season, and would have played out a game after the usual sideline stability test.

 

[rocker_oz33]

100% good to go.
Was a minor strain and only rested due to being a rubbish preseason game.
Apparently not even a 1 week injury during regular HnA season, and would play out a game.

Do you think will keep Mills in the mids ?

IMO hes not a mid he's not big enough .
If he goes back will that be bad for Campbell ?

 

[Bollox]

Hate to admit it, but i'm 80% on starting Gull this yr. Mainly because 3 things.
1. The lineup of def's between 490-570K is truly brilliant this yr.
2. We know he's a tad overpriced.
3. There's some changes happening in our defence. He'll remain the #1 outlet for attack off halfback BUT i'm specualting that his kick in % may be lower this yr. No basis for it, more of a hunch.

I'll umm and ahhh but i'm sure i;ll buy anyway. It really doesnt matter if he's 30-50K overpriced coz for a full season that is piffle....and he's as close as we get to locking in a full season without worries. $50K doesnt buy me enough points to make up for the set and forget value.
If i dont start him i could end up chasing his scrawny feathered arse for half a season till i can afford him....a needless distraction when i would want to concentrate on upgrading D5 and D6.
Even to grab him from an injury to a D2,3 or 4 (worth $450-550K) will require 2 trades and 100-150K that SHOULD be used elsewhere.
If he was injury prone its a totally different scenario.
Sorry, rambling

 

[Bollox]

Do you think will keep Mills in the mids ?

IMO hes not a mid he's not big enough .
If he goes back will that be bad for Campbell ?

Short answer is no, not a full season in mids is my guess. Long answer is....
I;ve outlined previously why i;m not buying him, but WOULD if he was same price and not playing midfield.
Its not as though his scoing should suddenly leap due to playing thru the middle. He was borderline AA last season and 100-105ish average...now that he goes full time into midfield i cant see how he'll suddenly be a 110-120 uber primo. It can take a year or two minimum for anyone in a new role.
Horsey must give him what he wants which is a shot thru the middle. Been promised it for a cpl of years now and backline injuries prevented it. I dont think he'll kill it other than the odd 150pt game which we know he can do. Maybe up 5 pts avge but could even drop by 10pts.
I might be underselling him coz he;s a gun and might go big early...but the odds dont favour it, and so many good options in defs that no need to run a risk or guess how he'll go in a new role.
A bloke like Dylan Shiel for instance is lucky to avge 100 after many many yrs as an inside mid. Why would Mills suddenly go 115+ thru the middle in 1st season ? Possible if he played down back again though.
If we cop injuries down back horse will quickly send him back to last yrs role i reckon.

Nahhh the worry for Campbell isnt Mills playing mid OR def...its all the others that are borderline best 22. There's just no chance Horse can play a lot of kids until the season is effectively over. George Hewett is back also and even he may play down back early. Fox, Oriordan cant be overlooked by Horse....and i see teams that cant even fit Dylan Stephens into it. Then McInerney (Horse luvs him) will come back in the moment he's ready in maybe a month.

Silly situation where its a young team not expected to do well, but bloody hard to break into. Horse cant just sideline 2nd yr studs (eg Stephens/McInerney etc) just to play 1st yr rooks.
So nahhh. Mills' season no impact on Campbell at all i reckon.

 

[Bollox]

To put it in perspective "going into mids this year" and "more midfield time" is the stuff we reserve for CHEAPER players. Maybe $300-450K types.
Mills is already $545K after last season. Nothing cheap about that and would need to be a 105-110 avge minimum playing a brand new role to have relative value.

A quick glance at midfield options shows it more succinctly.

Why buy a bloke in a brand new role when you could (for same price or cheaper) have

Walsh, Suitcase, Dustbin, Cornholio, Cripps etc, or save 50K and buy Rowell, Simpkin, or save 100K and buy Quentin.

Might be another 2 seasons before i can buy Mills again.

 

[crippler9]

Yeah the more I look at my team it looks fantastic without Lloyd but you just know he’s gonna take every single kick out, he’s gonna lag off and take intercept marks, and he’s gonna get a ton of handball receives. He actually could go higher than last year, he’s already said his role is the same as always - give me the footy. Perfect for the new afl environment.

I agree very well said if anything the legendary gull will up his avg

 

[crippler9]

Short answer is no, not a full season in mids is my guess. Long answer is....
I;ve outlined previously why i;m not buying him, but WOULD if he was same price and not playing midfield.
Its not as though his scoing should suddenly leap due to playing thru the middle. He was borderline AA last season and 100-105ish average...now that he goes full time into midfield i cant see how he'll suddenly be a 110-120 uber primo. It can take a year or two minimum for anyone in a new role.
Horsey must give him what he wants which is a shot thru the middle. Been promised it for a cpl of years now and backline injuries prevented it. I dont think he'll kill it other than the odd 150pt game which we know he can do. Maybe up 5 pts avge but could even drop by 10pts.
I might be underselling him coz he;s a gun and might go big early...but the odds dont favour it, and so many good options in defs that no need to run a risk or guess how he'll go in a new role.
A bloke like Dylan Shiel for instance is lucky to avge 100 after many many yrs as an inside mid. Why would Mills suddenly go 115+ thru the middle in 1st season ? Possible if he played down back again though.
If we cop injuries down back horse will quickly send him back to last yrs role i reckon.

Nahhh the worry for Campbell isnt Mills playing mid OR def...its all the others that are borderline best 22. There's just no chance Horse can play a lot of kids until the season is effectively over. George Hewett is back also and even he may play down back early. Fox, Oriordan cant be overlooked by Horse....and i see teams that cant even fit Dylan Stephens into it. Then McInerney (Horse luvs him) will come back in the moment he's ready in maybe a month.

Silly situation where its a young team not expected to do well, but bloody hard to break into. Horse cant just sideline 2nd yr studs (eg Stephens/McInerney etc) just to play 1st yr rooks.
So nahhh. Mills' season no impact on Campbell at all i reckon.

Season is over? Swannies ain’t near a top 8 side imo

 

[Bollox]

Season is over? Swannies ain’t near a top 8 side imo

When u cant make finals.
Coaches cant start seasons by giving up before it starts. They need to play their absolute best team.
That generally means as few inexperienced rooks as possible.
Syd may not be expected to make finals, but Horse doesnt have the luxury of giving up on a season before it starts. Wouldnt have a job for long if we suspected he wasnt doing everything possible THIS year. Matters not how we think we'll go.

 

[buttox]

When u cant make finals.
Coaches cant start seasons by giving up before it starts. They need to play their absolute best team.
That generally means as few inexperienced rooks as possible.
Syd may not be expected to make finals, but Horse doesnt have the luxury of giving up on a season before it starts. Wouldnt have a job for long if we suspected he wasnt doing everything possible THIS year. Matters not how we think we'll go.

Exactly.
You need senior bodys in the side to protect the skinny kids.

 

[gutsroy]

Jack Ziebell

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Jack Ziebell

Age

34

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.1

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

6.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.6

5star

MG

369.5

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.6

3star

MG

125.8

2star

D

16.2

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.0

5star

has got Lukey McDonald's silky brilliance on life support.
Bloke could not hit the broad side of a barn from 30cm out and they've got him pinging off kick-ins like he's some sort of laser-guided missile while Lukey has to look on in dismay and stroke lovingly at his lustrous beard*
And when he's not doing that, he's giving forwards an armed escort to the goal line.
Head scratcher to end all head scratchers.

* in b4 he's shaved the beard off, I didn't pay close attention to it.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Jack Ziebell has got Lukey McDonald's silky brilliance on life support.
Bloke could not hit the broad side of a barn from 30cm out and they've got him pinging off kick-ins like he's some sort of laser-guided missile while Lukey has to look on in dismay and stroke lovingly at his lustrous beard*
And when he's not doing that, he's giving forwards an armed escort to the goal line.
Head scratcher to end all head scratchers.

* in b4 he's shaved the beard off, I didn't pay close attention to it.

I'm wondering how long Ziebell lasts in denfense. Hopefully long enough to make 150K and get traded to Binchook when they put him back in charge down back.

 

[rocker_oz33]

When u cant make finals.
Coaches cant start seasons by giving up before it starts. They need to play their absolute best team.
That generally means as few inexperienced rooks as possible.
Syd may not be expected to make finals, but Horse doesnt have the luxury of giving up on a season before it starts. Wouldnt have a job for long if we suspected he wasnt doing everything possible THIS year. Matters not how we think we'll go.

How many games for Campbell ?
Best 22 or best 25 ish.

Like he's no sure thing to start.

Stephens and mac not in the team as of last match.

Swans got some good young talent .

M8ght be hard for to fit them all in

 

[Bollox]

How many games for Campbell ?
Best 22 or best 25 ish.

Like he's no sure thing to start.

Stephens and mac not in the team as of last match.

Swans got some good young talent .

M8ght be hard for to fit them all in

He's got a lot of kids all barking for games. Another reason to be a tad cautious about our rooks. Even moreso than last year...for SC we like to think that if a 1st yr kid does well preseason he'll get games, but Horse also has last yrs kids like Warner, Wicks, Ling, Bell, Stephens, McInerney etc PLUS McDonald Gulden Campbell.
ANDDD
on top of that there are shedloads of best 22 injuries from 2020 coming back in for Rnd 1.
Trying to find spots for an 18yo simply coz he did well in an irrelevant preseason game is not easy...nor will it be easy for them to hold their spot. Saw a bit of that last yr.
AND AND
a cpl of highly respected fringe 22 guys like Fox and Oriordan deserve gametime.


Campbell is long long way from being a sure thing to start. 50/50 at absolute best. I'll stick my neck out and guess 8 games for the season, but not 8 in a row.

Stephens would/should normally start Rnd 1 but may be a causalty to play one of the newbies first up. Unsure why he didnt play. I might check to see if he has a niggle but he isnt relevant to us anyway.
McInerney has a back problem but should be back early-mid season. Impressed everyone last yr and will stroll back into the team when fit.

 

[gutsroy]

Being serious for a second, think King raises some valid points and you just wonder what North sees in the experiment that a lot of others don't seem to:

 

[Hack_Watts]

How many games for Campbell ?
Best 22 or best 25 ish.

Like he's no sure thing to start.

Stephens and mac not in the team as of last match.

Swans got some good young talent .

M8ght be hard for to fit them all in

Im saving 70k to trade him to Tyson if required...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I've spent two seasons trying to trade Lloyd in and not managing it, he's so damn consistent he never drops much in price. Neale more likely to have a stinker and drop a bit imo.

IF i had more DEF Rookies, I'd pay the premium on Lloyd ...but there isn't, so I've spread the point load to D5

Not sure how Lloyd increase his score .....he took 95% of kickouts in 2020

I think people are concentrating on the kicking skills of backmen, and forgetting that FWD 50 entries will be easier and backmen will be under significant more pressure this year, as a result

Lots of talk whether the KPF's stay at home more as a result of rule changes ......hey, it's simply an hypothesis

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Do you think will keep Mills in the mids ?

IMO hes not a mid he's not big enough .
If he goes back will that be bad for Campbell ?

IMO depends on how Campbell goes .....and whether Heeney is travelling well enough, fitness wise, to spend time in the midfield

Heeney looks in top shape to me ....I'm his harshest critic, but his last game he was effectively onball around the ground

 

[Bollox]

Being serious for a second, think King raises some valid points and you just wonder what North sees in the experiment that a lot of others don't seem to:

Sure, but his price is still cheapish. Plus, his job security is close to 100% as captain.
For the price we'd like to see a halfback bin chicken scabbing the cheapies, but what else is there at the price with better scoring and 100% JS ?
Point being we'd still be tempted to buy him regardless of role, except perhaps a permanent fwd pkt.

To me the true determining factor is risk of injury.