Competitions 2021 Draft Game

[Savage Kent]

Hi Folks,

Was interested to see if there was interest in a draft game with the saints fans on bigfooty being assigned a team and selecting on their behalf. I organised a draft game a few years back (I believe in 2017). It was good fun but was put off at the time by an annoying poster, who shall remain nameless but think he's been largely moved on thanks to all your good work. This poster would DM me to push posters to hurry up their selections and also be pushy in the thread. Note that if said person messages me after this you will be blocked.

I digress but if you're interested reach out and I will assign you a team. Teams will be allocated on a first come, first serve basis. If you have any suggestions on how this should be run I'm all ears. I will tag posters to the teams they've been assigned to.

Last time I took the saints and from memory I selected Clark, Bonar and Clavarino. Try not to hold Bonar and Clavarino against me. This time I'll be the recruiter for the tigers based on their draft haul.

Adelaide: sunny3193
Brisbane: L_W_P
Carlton: L_W_P
Collingwood: Savage Kent
Essendon: BrutThough
Fremantle: joydivision22
Geelong: SaintJunior
Gold Coast: Minga
GWS: Gresh_Magic
Hawthorn: BrutThough
Melbourne: Saint_Dos
North Melbourne: goodie23
Port Adelaide: Saint_Dos
Richmond: Savage Kent
St Kilda: Significant
Sydney: Ads734
West Coast: bird_man
Western Bulldogs: Savage Kent

Pick	Club	Player
1	Collingwood	Nick Daicos
2	North Melbourne	Jason Horne-Francis
3	Greater Western Sydney	Finn Callaghan
4	Western Bulldogs	Sam Darcy
5	Gold Coast	Josh Gibcus
6	Adelaide	Ben Hobbs
7	Hawthorn	Josh Ward
8	Fremantle	Neil Erasmus
9	Richmond	Tyler Sonsie
10	Fremantle	Matthew Johnson
11	St Kilda	Josh Sinn
12	West Coast	Jye Amiss
13	Essendon	Josh Rachele
14	Port Adelaide	Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
15	Greater Western Sydney	Mac Andrew
16	Brisbane Lions	Sam Butler
17	Richmond	Josh Goater
18	Sydney	Darcy Wilmot
19	Melbourne	Campbell Chesser
20	Brisbane Lions	Mitchito Owens
21	Fremantle	Jacob Van Rooyen
22	North Melbourne	Jesse Motlop
23	Hawthorn	Arlo Draper
24	Geelong	Toby Conway
25	Hawthorn	Judson Clarke
26	St Kilda	Marcus Windhager
27	Carlton	Mitchell Knevitt
28	Richmond	Zac Taylor
29	Richmond	Blake Howes
30	Greater Western Sydney	Josh Fahey
31	Richmond	Rhett Bazzo
32	West Coast	Matthew Roberts
33	Geelong	Tom Brown
34	Sydney	Lewis Rayson
35	Geelong	Connor MacDonald
36	Adelaide	Jack Williams
37	Geelong	Shay Linke
38	West Coast	Corey Warner
39	Melbourne	Kai Lohmann
40	Sydney	Jordan Lucak
41	Brisbane Lions	Sam Banks
42	North Melbourne	Leek Alleer
43	North Melbourne	Alistair Lord
44	Melbourne	Josh Rentsch
45	Geelong	Angus Sheldrick
46	Essendon	Brady Hough
47	Western Bulldogs	Cooper Murley
48	Western Bulldogs	Charlie Dean
49	Essendon	Ned Long
50	Melbourne	Taj Woewodin
51	Hawthorn	Lachlan Rankin
52	Brisbane Lions	Casey Voss
53	Fremantle	Paul Curtis
54	Port Adelaide	Kade Dittmar
55	Carlton	Dante Visentini
56	Hawthorn	Charlie Molan
57	West Coast	Hugh Jackson
58	Gold Coast	Bohdi Uwland
59	Fremantle	Ronald Fejo Jr
60	Sydney	Blayne O'Loughlin
61	Greater Western Sydney	Blake Schlensog
62	Greater Western Sydney	Charlie Constable
63	North Melbourne	Jackson Archer
64	Port Adelaide	Hugh Stagg
65	Port Adelaide	Saxon Evans
66	Port Adelaide	Jase Burgoyne
67	Adelaide	Pass
68	Brisbane Lions	Tyreece Leiu

The current draft picks for your reference:

Adelaide: 6, 36, 65
Brisbane: 16, 20, 41, 52, 66
Carlton: 26, 55
Collingwood: 1
Essendon: 13, 46, 49
Fremantle: 8, 10, 21, 53, 58
Geelong: 24, 33, 35, 37, 45
Gold Coast: 5
GWS: 3, 15, 30, 60, 61
Hawthorn: 7, 23, 25, 51, 56
Melbourne: 19, 39, 44, 50
North Melbourne: 2, 22, 42, 43, 62
Port Adelaide: 14, 54, 63, 64
Richmond: 9, 17, 28, 29, 31
St Kilda: 11, 26
Sydney: 18, 34, 40, 59
West Coast: 12, 32, 38, 57
Western Bulldogs: 4, 47, 48

 

[sunny3193]

Adelaide taking the full period allowed to discuss our options.
We like the local kids but Wanganeen-Milera or Draper would be too much of a reach for #6. Got to be a Victorian kid and we prefer to take the country kids (like Port with Ollie Wines). And at our stage of the rebuild it’s best available.
So Adelaide chooses Ben Hobbs.

You’re next BrutThough

 

[BrutThough]

With Pick 7, Hawthorn will take Josh Ward.

No need to think about this one. Ward is about as bankable as a player gets in this draft. He can slot right into the midfield, give them some much needed class while winning his own ball.

joydivision22 your up.

 

[joydivision22]

Fremantle FC will select local powerhouse mid/forward Neil Erasmus with #8.
Extremely happy to take Neil at this point who will play right away in the best 22 on a hff and work his way eventually into a midfield spot as the gun power mid we think he’ll become.

 

[joydivision22]

sorry don’t know how to tag, your up kent

 

[Savage Kent]

With pick 9 Richmond select Tyler Sonsie.

I back the tigers strong development and culture to bridge the gap between his best and worst performances. Adds some polished and class to the midfield.

joydivision22 back over to you.

To tag others just add @ before typing their name.

 

[joydivision22]

Plenty of options for freo’s 2nd pick here! Amiss is tempting with Erasmus locked away as is Andrew to partner Darcy (and meek) for the next 10 years. Rachelle would complete a great double pick up of powerful impact players.
After much consideration I’m comfortable in selecting Matthew Johnson with #10. Yes he’s a local lad too but more importantly really suits the list profile with Fyfe and Barra aging gracefully but aging nonetheless. Big tall mid who moves well in traffic, makes great decisions and kicks beautifully… welcome to the purple horde David Mun.. sorry Matthew Johnson! Significant (good luck sir)

 

[joydivision22]

Would just add that the Amiss omission is partly made with an eye to the land of the giants 2022 draft crop. And I also don’t rate him that highly which doesn’t help the sitch

 

[Significant]

Saints pick..

Jeez, you can't tell the Saints BF Board love for a big bodied inside mid - they are effectively all gone! Does leave me with very limited options.

The temptation to grab Mac Andrew on talent alone is high, but really it comes down to a three-way with Rachele, Sinn and Goater, and all of them appeal to the Saints.

I have been on him this whole time, and it may not be a popular pick, but I am going to choose Josh Sinn.



We need speed and we need kicking efficiency and he brings both to the table, in a position where two of our current players (Hill and Clark) should be pushing into midfield roles, which provides an opportunity for him to slot in early. He has a mature body and frame which looks able to fill out, and will help with our ball movement out of the back half which was heavily reliant on Sinclair in a new role this year, and Hill which shouldn't be his natural position.

Rachele obviously has the runs on the board, but isn't exactly a position of need with Butler, Higgins as young guys ably supported by Kent. Billings and Gresham will float through, whilst I also expect Windhager (pending injury) and Owens to start their careers in the forward half of the ground.

Goater was the risk, and it may be one that pays off, but there are others who have more runs on the board AFAIC, whilst his kicking skills don't fill me with a lot of hope. People comparing him to that next big bodied mid (Bont?) are potentially on the money, but he isn't close to doing what Bont was doing at school footy in his draft year. It was a really close call.

bird_man you're up with West Coast's first pick

 

[BrutThough]

Our pick is probably one of the hardest to predict. We could go in any direction and it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[bird_man]

With pick 12 West Coast select Jye Amiss





West Coast would be pleasantly surprised to see Amiss still on the table at this point.

With Josh Kennedy likely entering his final year and Darling heading towards the back end of his career, it's the perfect opportunity to take a key forward.

Amiss would pair nicely with [PLAYERCARD]Oscar Allen[/PLAYERCARD]. He is athletic, good in the air and makes the most of any opportunity he gets inside 50.

You re up BrutThough

 

[BrutThough]

Essendon recruiters were nervously sitting back and hoping West Coast would pass on the local Amiss. But with him off the board, 3 names are left to be debated - Rachele, Wanganeen-Milera and Goater.

With pick pick 13, Essendon will select Josh Rachele.

Rachele talent is too good to pass up here. He's a genuine match winner and will also fill a huge need of a small forward.


Saint_Dos you're up.

 

[Significant]

Essendon recruiters were nervously sitting back and hoping West Coast would pass on the local Amiss. But with him off the board, 3 names are left to be debated - Rachele, Wanganeen-Milera and Goater.

With pick pick 13, Essendon will select Josh Rachele.

Rachele talent is too good to pass up here. He's a genuine match winner and will also fill a huge need of a small forward.


Saint_Dos you're up.

Like this pick for Essendon, but Goater trained with their AFL team in preseason and played matches for their VFL team also. Right under their nose, I wouldn't be surprised if they pick him.

 

[Savage Kent]

The way things are tracking the dees might end up selecting Mac Andrew.

 

[L_W_P]

The way things are tracking the dees might end up selecting Mac Andrew.

No chance

 

[BrutThough]

No chance

Surely GWS dont pass on him with their pick.

 

[Minga]

Saints pick..

Jeez, you can't tell the Saints BF Board love for a big bodied inside mid - they are effectively all gone! Does leave me with very limited options.

The temptation to grab Mac Andrew on talent alone is high, but really it comes down to a three-way with Rachele, Sinn and Goater, and all of them appeal to the Saints.

I have been on him this whole time, and it may not be a popular pick, but I am going to choose Josh Sinn.



We need speed and we need kicking efficiency and he brings both to the table, in a position where two of our current players (Hill and Clark) should be pushing into midfield roles, which provides an opportunity for him to slot in early. He has a mature body and frame which looks able to fill out, and will help with our ball movement out of the back half which was heavily reliant on Sinclair in a new role this year, and Hill which shouldn't be his natural position.

Rachele obviously has the runs on the board, but isn't exactly a position of need with Butler, Higgins as young guys ably supported by Kent. Billings and Gresham will float through, whilst I also expect Windhager (pending injury) and Owens to start their careers in the forward half of the ground.

Goater was the risk, and it may be one that pays off, but there are others who have more runs on the board AFAIC, whilst his kicking skills don't fill me with a lot of hope. People comparing him to that next big bodied mid (Bont?) are potentially on the money, but he isn't close to doing what Bont was doing at school footy in his draft year. It was a really close call.

bird_man you're up with West Coast's first pick

Gees I think there’s a highlight in that where Max Heath taps it to Josh Sinn who then kicks it inside 50 to Mitch Owens. A premonition of the future? Would be nice to have all three playing at the club and developing together with windy as well.

 

[Significant]

Gees I think there’s a highlight in that where Max Heath taps it to Josh Sinn who then kicks it inside 50 to Mitch Owens. A premonition of the future? Would be nice to have all three playing at the club and developing together with windy as well.

Part of my reasoning for getting him.

I would love St.Kilda to trade with Brisbane and try and get Sinn and Chesser, but part of me feels like Sinn wouldn't get through to Brisbane's first pick, with Essendon in particular interested in Sinn, but also by the sounds of it Brisbane really rate him (despite generally prioritizing Vic Country kids through the draft).

This only makes me feel that we are right in the sweet spot to get Sinn.

 

[BrutThough]

Part of my reasoning for getting him.

I would love St.Kilda to trade with Brisbane and try and get Sinn and Chesser, but part of me feels like Sinn wouldn't get through to Brisbane's first pick, with Essendon in particular interested in Sinn, but also by the sounds of it Brisbane really rate him (despite generally prioritizing Vic Country kids through the draft).

This only makes me feel that we are right in the sweet spot to get Sinn.

I still think Sinn is a better fit for us now and long term than the main few we've been getting linked too in the phantom drafts.

He just screams everything that our recruiters love and everything that we are lacking.

 

[bird_man]

Part of my reasoning for getting him.

I would love St.Kilda to trade with Brisbane and try and get Sinn and Chesser, but part of me feels like Sinn wouldn't get through to Brisbane's first pick, with Essendon in particular interested in Sinn, but also by the sounds of it Brisbane really rate him (despite generally prioritizing Vic Country kids through the draft).

This only makes me feel that we are right in the sweet spot to get Sinn.

Unless we genuinely belive one of Sinn or Chesser will become a full time mid that would make little sense.

There are only so many players you can play off a half back flank.

It would mean that since 2016 we would have had 5 top 20 picks and used 80% of them on back flankers.

There is an argument that Clark is a midfielder but he's almost 23 and had one full game in the midfield.

Sinn I can understand if he makes it that far but after that there are some good midfield options you'd need to consider.

 

[BrutThough]

Unless we genuinely belive one of Sinn or Chesser will become a full time mid that would make little sense.

There are only so many players you can play off a half back flank.

It would mean that since 2016 we would have had 5 top 20 picks and used 80% of them on back flankers.

There is an argument that Clark is a midfielder but he's almost 23 and had one full game in the midfield.

Sinn I can understand if he makes it that far but after that there are some good midfield options you'd need to consider.

Do the mids being talked about around our pick have any less question marks on them than Sinn has?

They are all either complete outside players or have the same questions marks on whether they will be able to transition into an AFL midfield full time. Except for maybe Sonsie. But the Wanganeen-Milera, Johnsons, Goater types dont seem to be any more of a genuine mid than Sinn.

Who am I missing?

 

[bird_man]

Do the mids being talked about around our pick have any less question marks on them than Sinn has?

They are all either complete outside players or have the same questions marks on whether they will be able to transition into an AFL midfield full time. Except for maybe Sonsie. But the Wanganeen-Milera, Johnsons, Goater types dont seem to be any more of a genuine mid than Sinn.

Who am I missing?

Well definitely Sonsie, no maybe about it.

But the issue I raised wasn't us taking Sinn. It was trading down and using both picks on back flankers.

If Sinn is there at 16 (which I see as unlikely) then it wouldn't make sense to grab another similar type again with the next pick.

 

[Significant]

Well definitely Sonsie, no maybe about it.

But the issue I raised wasn't us taking Sinn. It was trading down and using both picks on back flankers.

If Sinn is there at 16 (which I see as unlikely) then it wouldn't make sense to grab another similar type again with the next pick.

I think the issue then just comes about regarding Chesser (as Sinn is a more proven talent by the sounds of things). My thinking went to bringing up a group of Dragons boys who had all played together, gone through under-age teams, and could be a bit of a nucleus moving forward, not necessarily whether Chesser is a good fit or not.

Frankly, the idea of positional fit this early on in the draft doesn't sit well with me though, you just pick the best talent, get them in the door to your club and work your structure out through other mechanism (free agency, delisted free agency, rookies, hell even later draft picks!).

I'm more focused on their attributes - speed, intensity, pressure, disposal efficiency, contest work, etc. and how you see them progressing based on these attributes - thats more the elements I am looking at in draftees, not what position they are playing currently.

 

[L_W_P]

Position/Skillset is largely is irrelevant. Development is the issue.

We could take JHF but if we stick him as a forward pocket for his first 50 games he'd be stuffed.

 

[bird_man]

I think the issue then just comes about regarding Chesser (as Sinn is a more proven talent by the sounds of things). My thinking went to bringing up a group of Dragons boys who had all played together, gone through under-age teams, and could be a bit of a nucleus moving forward, not necessarily whether Chesser is a good fit or not.

Frankly, the idea of positional fit this early on in the draft doesn't sit well with me though, you just pick the best talent, get them in the door to your club and work your structure out through other mechanism (free agency, delisted free agency, rookies, hell even later draft picks!).

I'm more focused on their attributes - speed, intensity, pressure, disposal efficiency, contest work, etc. and how you see them progressing based on these attributes - thats more the elements I am looking at in draftees, not what position they are playing currently.

You say you just want to pick the best talent but at the same time want the pair because they both play for Sandringham Dragons?

I think you'd be mad not to consider what position you'll likely see them filling to be honest. Especially at pick 20 in an even draft.

 

[L_W_P]

Before this devolves into the draft thread 2.0 - Who's pick is it?

The Lions are anxious to lock away their future HOFers