List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[WeeBlake]

Trading next years 1st into this year makes sense.. if we ended up with say Callaghan and Roberts.. geeezuz, that would be awesome.

I’d also like to see us make a play for the Suns 1st this year.. but they have said they are willing to trade it for a gun KPF.. we havent got one of them we are willing to trade.

The Clarkson quote you threw out earlier says it all. If you retain the senior guys it's easy to play them.

The cold reality is if we want our kids to get midfield time, Matt Crouch needs to go. Not because he's a bad player, but we've locked up all of our major midfield positions until we're ready to move Sloane on. People live in this nice fantasy world that form in the 2nds mean anything for a youngster breaking into our senior squad, and a kid can overtake a senior player. It frankly doesn't. Where you sit on the pecking order means everything. That's not an Adelaide thing either. That's a league wide thing. Effectively If you keep the roadblock, you're not playing the kids.

Coaches have players they trust to keep them their jobs after all.

The single worst move Adelaide could do at this point is resign Matt Crouch. If we wanted to keep him, we should not have resigned Laird this season. Otherwise we're hoping to be saved from ourselves with one of them (or Keays) gets injured. It's the only way Berry, Schoenberg, Pedlar etc will see significant midfield minutes.

everyone keeps talking about Sloan giving up midfield minutes for our young mids but what about Keays and Laird too? Keays played a lot as a fwd at Brisbane and Laird obviously a lot at half back. There is a lot of scope for all our senior mids to be shifted to get some more midfield minutes into the kids.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

If there are 3 CBA spots up for grabs (totalling 300% available CBA time) I would be doing the following:
1. Keays and Laird taking 75% of the CBAs, totalling 150%
2. Berry, Pedlar and Schoenberg splitting as much of the other 150% as they can manage
3. Any residual CBAs (eg a few a game) go to Sloane
4. But never intentionally have all of Sloane, Keays and Laird at a CBA together

Sloane is perfect for a HFF. HFF is usually a dead spot - so hard to play. But he and Berry are naturals there.

 

[Jirkago75]

If there are 3 CBA spots up for grabs (totalling 300% available CBA time) I would be doing the following:
1. Keays and Laird taking 75% of the CBAs, totalling 150%
2. Berry, Pedlar and Schoenberg splitting as much of the other 150% as they can manage
3. Any residual CBAs (eg a few a game) go to Sloane
4. But never intentionally have all of Sloane, Keays and Laird at a CBA together

Sloane is perfect for a HFF. HFF is usually a dead spot - so hard to play. But he and Berry are naturals there.

Totally agree, Sloane only goes in if the other teams get a big run on, there needs to be that other time for our youngsters. That’s the only way to develop them and give them some confidence in the centre.
it must be a fitness issue though as we aren’t seeing any of them in there for more then a few centre bounces. Pedler and Shoey look so good in there but must not have the tank to go in to often, hopefully that improves greatlyfor the rest of the year

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Sloane is perfect for a HFF. HFF is usually a dead spot - so hard to play. But he and Berry are naturals there.

Sloane's kicking for goal seems to be much better than his field kicking too.

 

[Sanders]

Look, I think that was true at periods - but by the end of last year Matt (and many others) started to get a clearer sense of what Nicks demanded for quick ball movement.

Pity we haven't been able to see whether that would have continued this year.

Other coaches don’t require quick ball movement? This was something new

 

[Sanders]

The idea that we are tight for list spots is insane

 

[MRB37]

Not sure why you'd waste time on speculating on trading Laird. He had his chance to leave, re-signed, I can't see him agreeing to any trade. He wants to be in Adelaide.

 

[Scorpus]

Laird is versatile anyway, we always have the option of dumping him out of the midfield back to defense at any point

Can't do that with Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

 

[Deaneus!]

Saw this the other day, debutants per games coach

Cornes 63 in 89 games = 70.79% (prob skewed from inaugural squad)
Shaw 13 in 44 = 29.55%
Blight 30 in 74 = 40.54%
Ayres 36 in 107 = 33.64%
Craig 40 in 166 = 24.10%
Bickley 1 in 6 = 16.67%
Sando 17 in 69 = 24.64%
Walsh 3 in 12 = 25.00%
Campo 2 in 9 = 22.22%
Pyke 21 in 93 = 22.58%
Nicks 21 in 33 = 63.64%

using my God-given ability at math, I shall now rank them in order of their kid-playing inclinations (doesn‘t quite sound right)

Cornes*
Nicks
(daylight)
Blight
Ayres
Shaw
Walsh
Sando
Craig
Pyke
Campo
Bickley

 

[rubbers0ul]

Since adelaide flat out refuse to tag, surely Sloane could put his hand up to shut down the oppositions play maker. Invariably there is always one player who absolutely crushes the crows. I understand coaches don’t want to lock on an opposition midfielder as it detracts from their midfield systems etc, but surely he can look to shut down the half forward that always takes kelly/mackay to the cleaners or the half back that is racking up 35 uncontested touches.


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[TryAnHit]

Since adelaide flat out refuse to tag, surely Sloane could put his hand up to shut down the oppositions play maker. Invariably there is always one player who absolutely crushes the crows. I understand coaches don’t want to lock on an opposition midfielder as it detracts from their midfield systems etc, but surely he can look to shut down the half forward that always takes kelly/mackay to the cleaners or the half back that is racking up 35 uncontested touches.


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I wish we would try mchenry as a pure tagger. Is super fit, very annoying and has that mongrel about him

 

[Mego Red]

Breaking news: supporters want what most likely to generate a premiership.

More at 6 PM.

Losing?

 

[Betts are off]

Saw this the other day, debutants per games coach

Cornes 63 in 89 games = 70.79% (prob skewed from inaugural squad)
Shaw 13 in 44 = 29.55%
Blight 30 in 74 = 40.54%
Ayres 36 in 107 = 33.64%
Craig 40 in 166 = 24.10%
Bickley 1 in 6 = 16.67%
Sando 17 in 69 = 24.64%
Walsh 3 in 12 = 25.00%
Campo 2 in 9 = 22.22%
Pyke 21 in 93 = 22.58%
Nicks 21 in 33 = 63.64%

using my God-given ability at math, I shall now rank them in order of their kid-playing inclinations (doesn‘t quite sound right)

Cornes*
Nicks
(daylight)
Blight
Ayres
Shaw
Walsh
Sando
Craig
Pyke
Campo
Bickley

Wow, the last 4 full season head coaches rank dead last for this (hardly a surprise, but still interesting). I wonder how much turnover there was in the people who made up selection committee during the last 4 coaches tenures.

I know Campo was there from 2010 onwards, which was the tail end of the Craig Era.

 

[Danger in Texas]

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Teams for tomorrow’s game via Ed’s thread

VC seem better on paper to me, but it’s always hard to predict champs results

 

[Mutineer]

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Teams for tomorrow’s game via Ed’s thread

VC seem better on paper to me, but it’s always hard to predict champs results

It's not being played as Champs game though. It's being called a "challenge" game whish is tricked up trial game with nothing on the end of it.

WATCH IT LIVE: Metro v Country U19 clash from 12pm AEST

You can watch our LIVE stream of Metro v Country from Windy Hill at 12pm AEST

www.afl.com.au

Vic Metro was due to travel to the Gold Coast this week to take on the Allies to open this year's delayed NAB AFL Under-19 Championships but with COVID-19 restrictions the AFL chose to postpone the beginning of the carnival.


Instead it will hold a 'challenge' clash between the Victorian sides at Windy Hill from 12pm AEST, with the game to be live streamed on AFL.com.au and the AFL Live Official App.

 

[jackster83]

It's not being played as Champs game though. It's being called a "challenge" game whish is tricked up trial game with nothing on the end of it.

WATCH IT LIVE: Metro v Country U19 clash from 12pm AEST

You can watch our LIVE stream of Metro v Country from Windy Hill at 12pm AEST

www.afl.com.au

Vic Metro was due to travel to the Gold Coast this week to take on the Allies to open this year's delayed NAB AFL Under-19 Championships but with COVID-19 restrictions the AFL chose to postpone the beginning of the carnival.


Instead it will hold a 'challenge' clash between the Victorian sides at Windy Hill from 12pm AEST, with the game to be live streamed on AFL.com.au and the AFL Live Official App.

Seems a bit dumb. Should play the proper game now as it's only a matter of time before Vic gets locked down again.

 

[Danger in Texas]

It's not being played as Champs game though. It's being called a "challenge" game whish is tricked up trial game with nothing on the end of it.

WATCH IT LIVE: Metro v Country U19 clash from 12pm AEST

You can watch our LIVE stream of Metro v Country from Windy Hill at 12pm AEST

www.afl.com.au

Vic Metro was due to travel to the Gold Coast this week to take on the Allies to open this year's delayed NAB AFL Under-19 Championships but with COVID-19 restrictions the AFL chose to postpone the beginning of the carnival.


Instead it will hold a 'challenge' clash between the Victorian sides at Windy Hill from 12pm AEST, with the game to be live streamed on AFL.com.au and the AFL Live Official App.

Yeah for some reason I thought it was replacing the Vic M vs Allies game, which is rostered as a champs game. My bad

 

[70lethal]

Saw this the other day, debutants per games coach

Cornes 63 in 89 games = 70.79% (prob skewed from inaugural squad)
Shaw 13 in 44 = 29.55%
Blight 30 in 74 = 40.54%
Ayres 36 in 107 = 33.64%
Craig 40 in 166 = 24.10%
Bickley 1 in 6 = 16.67%
Sando 17 in 69 = 24.64%
Walsh 3 in 12 = 25.00%
Campo 2 in 9 = 22.22%
Pyke 21 in 93 = 22.58%
Nicks 21 in 33 = 63.64%

using my God-given ability at math, I shall now rank them in order of their kid-playing inclinations (doesn‘t quite sound right)

Cornes*
Nicks
(daylight)
Blight
Ayres
Shaw
Walsh
Sando
Craig
Pyke
Campo
Bickley

Nicks will slow down to Blight level over the next 2 years.
Only 2-3 left on the current list I'd expect to debut.
3-4 draft picks next year.
3 draft picks the year after.

Blight played 10 new faces in 98 after a GF

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yeah for some reason I thought it was replacing the Vic M vs Allies game, which is rostered as a champs game. My bad

That would make sense ! Seems like they are committed to somehow having a full champs for all states which might be impossible

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It's not being played as Champs game though. It's being called a "challenge" game whish is tricked up trial game with nothing on the end of it.

WATCH IT LIVE: Metro v Country U19 clash from 12pm AEST

You can watch our LIVE stream of Metro v Country from Windy Hill at 12pm AEST

www.afl.com.au

Vic Metro was due to travel to the Gold Coast this week to take on the Allies to open this year's delayed NAB AFL Under-19 Championships but with COVID-19 restrictions the AFL chose to postpone the beginning of the carnival.


Instead it will hold a 'challenge' clash between the Victorian sides at Windy Hill from 12pm AEST, with the game to be live streamed on AFL.com.au and the AFL Live Official App.

Couple missing Tomoz Bicks ? Callaghan for one ?

who’s your top 10 to look at ?

 

[Mutineer]

Couple missing Tomoz Bicks ? Callaghan for one ?

who’s your top 10 to look at ?

Sore foot for Callaghan

Heavy emphasis on mids and tossed in several small/medium forwards and a ruck.

1. Campbell Chesser
2. Josh Goater
3. Ben Hobbs
4. Josh Ward
5. Josh Rachele
6. Josh Sinn
7. Judson Clarke
8. Blake Howes
9. Paul Curtis
10. Toby Conway

 

[Mutineer]

Teams courtesy of eDPS

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Sore foot for Callaghan

Heavy emphasis on mids and tossed in several small/medium forwards and a ruck.

1. Campbell Chesser
2. Josh Goater
3. Ben Hobbs
4. Josh Ward
5. Josh Rachele
6. Josh Sinn
7. Judson Clarke
8. Blake Howes
9. Paul Curtis
10. Toby Conway

Great thanks

 

[Betts are off]

Is it just me or does it feel like the chasing pack is starting to make a bit of ground on Horne in terms of draft stock?

I'm not saying Horne's dropping, just that the perception around the players beneath him may be improving at a slightly faster rate

 

[Peter Doherty]

Is it just me or does it feel like the chasing pack is starting to make a bit of ground on Horne in terms of draft stock?

I'm not saying Horne's dropping, just that the perception around the players beneath him may be improving at a slightly faster rate

From Draft Central's July rankings:

Last month:

Horne has continued on his merry way at SANFL League level, with his consistent output displayed across the last month of action. Despite three of his four outings in that time being losses, Horne played above his season averages to produce numbers of 16 disposals, 4.3 marks, 4.5 tackles, 2.3 clearances, and 0.5 goals per game. Given he is so entrenched in the top three spots, it is easy to look past his development and sustained success, but the pick one contender is in as good a form as ever currently.

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