Preview 2021 Internal Trial: Crow v Crow, 20/2/21 10.30am ACDT

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kulak

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And you've hit the nail on the head why I am putting so much emphasis on height. They are the exception, and positive exceptions which this is, as AFL does have a small bias towards being taller and heavier in terms of player sizes (noting how exceptional, or specialised you need to be to get onto a list at <175 cms) should always be prioritised. After all, being bigger and taller then your opponent opens the game up for you. It's easier to be a marking/intercept threat around the ground, as well as giving more room for error to prevent (and create) turnovers in handball passages. It makes it easier to win a hardball when you are cracking in because you have a longer reach as well as the extra weight, as well as to either lay a tackle or at least make some attempt to slow down an opposition player. It opens up flexibility forward and back as you could feasibly rest as another tall, in which there is less competition for in a best 22 (and you could potentially ditch carrying a tall on the bench, meaning more midfielders/runners). The good thing about all sports is these things can be overcome if you're good enough (hence why it's never properly homogenised), however every investment into someone who offers these kinds of points of difference is effectively an investment into how versatile, and resilient your side is as a whole.

Height/weights haven't been updated as Gollant is still at 72 kg, despite that puff piece where he gained 13 kg. Torpedro posted an updated amount which had Hately at 91 kg this offseason. Considering some other numbers checked out (namely Gollant), I'm inclined to trust it until proven otherwise.
Makes logical sense. I expect the club is thinking the same way. I recall Hamish saying something along these lines after drafting O’Connor.

But doesn’t align with reality IMO. Hawthorn and Richmond the two great teams of the last decade and neither had a midfielder taller than 187 cm. The common thread in their midfields isn’t size - it’s skill.
 

Sanders

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I don't think you can really carry over his GWS output as a predictive tool on how he's going to play his footy as a midfielder. I read that he literally attended zero center bounces last year. Played almost exclusively on the flanks.

Not many players racking up high contested ball numbers around the AFL playing 100% HFF.

I think he ends up pretty balanced mid when stats actually start getting taken. But would also very much like to see him clean up that disposal!
Is he racking up high contested stats?
 

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Sanders

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Few of his early kicks were real wobblers. Type of sh*t I kick when I go to the park to kick the ball with my nephew. That kind of thing needs to get better.

He has obvious skills, but not 100% convinced he'll be a superstar. Given we didn't give anything to get him that's not a total issue and every team needs guys like Richard Douglas in the side.
true. I’d be shocked if he ever wins a B&F though or has a career like Douglas

that still leaves room for him to be a good ordinary player though
 

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Is he racking up high contested stats?
As a HFF or midfielder? Cause the only time he would have played proper midfield for comparison sake since being in The AFL would be in the NEAFL, where according to what I’ve read he was one of the most dominant players in that league (not saying it’s a particularly good league, just that he dominated it as a mid).

Unfortunately I could only find very basic stats which didn’t include contested : uncontested. But his average were 27 disposals, 7 tackles and 6 marks per game (fun fact, he bettered Jye Caldwell in every key category). I would be surprised if that wasn’t a relatively even split.

Mutineer seems to know his NEAFL quite well, so he might have more comprehensive stats/feedback on his time there
 

Sanders

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As a HFF or midfielder? Cause the only time he would have played proper midfield for comparison sake since being in The AFL would be in the NEAFL, where according to what I’ve read he was one of the most dominant players in that league (not saying it’s a particularly good league, just that he dominated it as a mid).

Unfortunately I could only find very basic stats which didn’t include contested : uncontested. But his average were 27 disposals, 7 tackles and 6 marks per game (fun fact, he bettered Jye Caldwell in every key category). I would be surprised if that wasn’t a relatively even split.

Mutineer seems to know his NEAFL quite well, so he might have more comprehensive stats/feedback on his time there
no one cares about the NEAFL stats
 

rocket18

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Makes logical sense. I expect the club is thinking the same way. I recall Hamish saying something along these lines after drafting O’Connor.

But doesn’t align with reality IMO. Hawthorn and Richmond the two great teams of the last decade and neither had a midfielder taller than 187 cm. The common thread in their midfields isn’t size - it’s skill.
For a midfielder give me one with elite foot skills over an extra 5cm in height every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
 

Sanders

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In general I couldn’t care less about it. But it does provide context in this scenario

So to summarise; Me’h
yeah, it provides precisely zero context. Zero usefulness and you’re about the only person who ever tried to claim it did

something you decided on your own was interesting.

i’ll say it again for next time, no one cares about NEAFL stats. Literally no one.
 

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yeah, it provides precisely zero context. Zero usefulness and you’re about the only person who ever tried to claim it did

something you decided on your own was interesting.

i’ll say it again for next time, no one cares about NEAFL stats. Literally no one.
There is really no hiding what a sad angry little man you are is there
 

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