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Stengle would need to get his affairs in order off-field and then work his backside off at state level to even consider it but he does have ability.
Shelving any tribal bias, the difference between Stengle & players on our list that engage in similar:
1: he got caught.
2: he continued on as if he hadn't.

Decision making clearly isn't a strong point but I hope that this provides him with the foot up the backside that he needs to get his life on track, with or without footy.
 

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Fischer McAsey likely to request a trade back to a melbourne club at the end of the season. Would be an ideal pick up.


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Fischer McAsey likely to request a trade back to a melbourne club at the end of the season. Would be an ideal pick up.


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Yeah, heard that on SEN this morning, and FoxSports also reporting it. Hopefully we're one of the interested parties, he's exactly the type we need right now to develop as Jonesy drifts off into the sunset over the next few years.

Pick 6 in the draft a few years back, so he aint gonna come cheap.

 
Would be terrible for the crows.
High 1st rounder bolting out the door as soon as his initial contract is up ...

#6 in 2019. What does that diminish to?
Caldwell & Hately (Adelaide pre-season draft) recent examples of sliding scale for ex-1st rounders.
Lever the other but considerable returns for Adelaide on that trade.

Should be able to count Essendon (and Melbourne) out for interested parties.
 
#6 in 2019. What does that diminish to?
Caldwell & Hately (Adelaide pre-season draft) recent examples of sliding scale for ex-1st rounders.
Lever the other but considerable returns for Adelaide on that trade.

Should be able to count Essendon (and Melbourne) out for interested parties.

I reckon in our position now, the actual number of the pick isn’t that crucial.
Saad is a case in point, he was the player we wanted/needed so we got it done.
If we rate McAsey as the guy to partner Weitering long term, part with our 1st rounder and be done with it.
Player manager’s like clubs that commit and follow through without much fuss.
 
The relative point here is "vfl"

We are not a flag contender this year, yet we will make finals with or without Betts, so I prefer to continue to develop players for when we are a contender

I had the same debate with people before last year, who were adamant he could replicate his last year at the Crows

This situation needs reality

Think Eddie needs to be afforded an opportunity early in the year - if he can find his touch, he'll have a strong year, and if he doesn't then he makes way for a young bloke to have their crack (ie. Durdin or Honey). And I reckon if he struggled in the first few rounds he'd be the first to put his hand up and say he wasn't delivering, and then shift his focus more heavily towards mentoring his replacement.

You don't write off a player of Eddie's quality when you're chasing a finals berth unless you're sure he's lost his edge.
 
#6 in 2019. What does that diminish to?
Caldwell & Hately (Adelaide pre-season draft) recent examples of sliding scale for ex-1st rounders.
Lever the other but considerable returns for Adelaide on that trade.

Should be able to count Essendon (and Melbourne) out for interested parties.

Our first would be the core of it, and anything else probably depends on what else the clubs are trying to get done.

We won't be super draft-focused for the next year or two, I imagine, so offering up our first plus a swap of later picks (ie. our third for their fourth) wouldn't be completely unreasonable. Like Saad, it would probably be viewed as "overs" by the penny pinchers, and it might be, but in the larger scheme of things it would address one of very few major list profile needs and would therefore be worth paying the price.
 
Think Eddie needs to be afforded an opportunity early in the year - if he can find his touch, he'll have a strong year, and if he doesn't then he makes way for a young bloke to have their crack (ie. Durdin or Honey). And I reckon if he struggled in the first few rounds he'd be the first to put his hand up and say he wasn't delivering, and then shift his focus more heavily towards mentoring his replacement.

You don't write off a player of Eddie's quality when you're chasing a finals berth unless you're sure he's lost his edge.

Eddie will still have moments of brilliance, just wouldn't think he could sustain it on the back of what we saw last year
 

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Eddie will still have moments of brilliance, just wouldn't think he could sustain it on the back of what we saw last year

And you're probably right, but I feel that just reinforces my point. You give the champion his chance to shine again - back in front of thousands of Carlton faithful - and if it turns out he has indeed lost his touch then he bows out.

Cause if he gets his head back in the game for one more season, or even half a season before passing the torch, he could absolutely be the difference between making the 8 and missing out.
 
And you're probably right, but I feel that just reinforces my point. You give the champion his chance to shine again - back in front of thousands of Carlton faithful - and if it turns out he has indeed lost his touch then he bows out.

Cause if he gets his head back in the game for one more season, or even half a season before passing the torch, he could absolutely be the difference between making the 8 and missing out.

So you would play him first up against the Tigers, or see some consistancy
 
So you would play him first up against the Tigers, or see some consistancy

If I was a selector I'd have much more to go off - but from the outside my view is that he's the incumbent and if fully fit should be selected ahead of a kid without the runs on the board.

Different story if he's been fumbling the pill consistently at training, but that's not something we're privy to and shouldn't be assuming is the case.
 
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Why is this still called the 2020 List Management II. I would've thought the title should have had an upgrade by now.
 
#6 in 2019. What does that diminish to?
Caldwell & Hately (Adelaide pre-season draft) recent examples of sliding scale for ex-1st rounders.
Lever the other but considerable returns for Adelaide on that trade.

Should be able to count Essendon (and Melbourne) out for interested parties.
Even better they used the stocker pick swap to draft him
 
If I was a selector I'd have much more to go off - but from the outside my view is that he's the incumbent and if fully fit should be selected ahead of a kid without the runs on the board.

Different story if he's been fumbling the pill consistently at training, but that's not something we're privy to and shouldn't be assuming is the case.

I guess there are a number of options that I would have ahead of him without them being classified as kids.

Fisher, Murphy, Martin, Williams (after suspension) that I would play as a permanent or rotating option

Others that offer more scope would be Gibbons, Newnes, SPS that are versatile
 

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I guess there are a number of options that I would have ahead of him without them being classified as kids.

Fisher, Murphy, Martin, Williams (after suspension) that I would play as a permanent or rotating option

Others that offer more scope would be Gibbons, Newnes, SPS that are versatile

I think we comfortably fit him in alongside Fisher, Murphy, Martin and Williams, not to mention Newnes and SPS. Think Gibbons is the only one who'd be an either/or consideration.

Plow, Jones, Doc
Saad, Weiters, SPS
Setterfield, Walsh, Williamson
Pittonet, Cripps, Dow
Martin, Casboult, Murphy
Betts, McKay, Fisher
I/C: Curnow, Newnes, (pick 2 of JSOS, O'Brien, Fogarty, Cunners, Gibbons)

Williams then replaces one of those last five.

Perhaps gets a little more tricky if/when Gov is considered fit again, as Teague obviously likes his three-tall setup.
 
I think we comfortably fit him in alongside Fisher, Murphy, Martin and Williams, not to mention Newnes and SPS. Think Gibbons is the only one who'd be an either/or consideration.

Plow, Jones, Doc
Saad, Weiters, SPS
Setterfield, Walsh, Williamson
Pittonet, Cripps, Dow
Martin, Casboult, Murphy
Betts, McKay, Fisher
I/C: Curnow, Newnes, (pick 2 of JSOS, O'Brien, Fogarty, Cunners, Gibbons)

Williams then replaces one of those last five.

Perhaps gets a little more tricky if/when Gov is considered fit again, as Teague obviously likes his three-tall setup.

A couple of those 5 I don't consider forward options.

First month will be interesting
 
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Still very young, so this year will give a more clear indication into what he's worth. If he puts on a few more kilos, he could be a great KPP at both ends of the ground. Possible future replacement for Casboult/Jones?
 
A couple of those 5 I don't consider forward options.

First month will be interesting
More scary than interesting at this stage - for me anyway - and then we play Port and Brisbane back to back
 
All of the 2021 posts have been transferred to the 2021 List Management thread. The 2021 list is in the OP.

Everybody should have received a notification about it.
 

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