List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Donnini]

Kemp can definitely play tall.

our VFL team this season was bereft of talls on every part of the ground. So I do thing getting talls in through late picks and rookie picks and develop them in VFL.

 

[Donnini]

He won't go to the draft.
Don't blame Carl fans for dreaming of low ball - all supporters do it.
It will be more than 6 and Carl will still "win" out of it.

It will be an offer both parties will be happy with - we sounded out Cerra so it will be remiss of us leaving him out to dry and will be remiss of Fremantle trying to play too hard for a player that wants out. If Cerra ever mentioned he is happy to stay if no deal then we will need to scoff up to the value Freo is after.

 

[macky99]

Fremantle will get more than 6 for this trade ( how much I'm not sure ) but 6 alone won't get it done - happy to be reminded if wrong.
Carlton will not want to lose Cerra because of a lowball offer - he will be a great recruit.

I would not consider pick 6 a low ball offer, it may need to add a little extra 3rd round pick potentially from West Coast, does not seem any other club would be in a position to offer more than that.

 

[Red Bull]

So it's a low ball - glad we confirmed that.
It will be more than 6

There are a number of things that contribute to determining the price.
In this case, the 2 major factors are Cerra returning to live in Melbourne and of course, his nomination.
These are the facts.
SPS is returning to WA and there will be Carlton people who think our trade compensation isn’t fair.
These factors are reality and contribute to determining the price, whether we supporters think it’s fair or not …

 

[Bennyboy7777]

I agree. Not sure why we go and get both Cerra and Hewett. What happens with Dow and Kennedy? As I’ve said numerous times already, we have more urgent needs like a 3rd tall defender. This seems to be a return to the old recruiting habits of just grabbing the ‘best available’ rather than for needs.

I reckon Hewett can play lockdown small back which means he won’t compete with our developing mids.

 

[TENACIOUS]

If Cerra does choose Carlton (not convinced yet)

The simplest trade is normally the one that gets done.

West Coast In - SPS
West Coast Out - Pick 35

Carlton In - Cerra
Carlton Out - Pick 6 and SPS

Fremantle In - Pick 6 & Pick 35 West Coast (points equivalent of Pick 3)
Fremantle Out - Cerra

 

[Sin City]

Wouldn’t mind looking at trading pick 6 for West Coast’s 10 and 29. Reason being I don’t think we need any of the on ballers around the six mark at the moment but maybe a dynamic forward like Rachelle at 10 and a KPD prospect like Bazzo at 29 might be better for our list needs.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Any danger of getting Honey signed up?! This bloke can play and will only get better with more opportunity.

 

[Blue train 28]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Tyson Stengel has kick 40 goals in SANFL this year is still very very young with high upside . Close with Eddie Betts who would most likely still help the club get him and help out the young lad anyway he could.
Is he worth a crack
Talented small forward ?

 

[judd05]

So it's a low ball - glad we confirmed that.
It will be more than 6

How is it low ball ?
Its called paying whats fair

#6 is more than enough as the alternative is melbourne and you would not be getting that type of pick from them if not then they can try to convince him to stay or select another club who have the pick and the cap space or cerra can enter the draft if he wants to get to the blues. teams wont risk a top 5 pick on a player that doesnt want to play for them
North - No
Hawks - No
GC - No
GWS - no
crows - no

 

[Hogwild]

How is it low ball ?
Its called paying whats fair

#6 is more than enough as the alternative is melbourne and you would not be getting that type of pick from them if not then they can try to convince him to stay or select another club who have the pick and the cap space or cerra can enter the draft if he wants to get to the blues. teams wont risk a top 5 pick on a player that doesnt want to play for them
North - No
Hawks - No
GC - No
GWS - no
crows - no

T
It's called paying the minimum - not what's fair.

 

[judd05]

T
It's called paying the minimum - not what's fair.

No the min would be what Melbourne would offer. Carlton is the 2nd best team that Cerra could select to go to and the best is Richmond with all their picks but they dont want him.

 

[Hogwild]

No the min would be what Melbourne would offer. Carlton is the 2nd best team that Cerra could select to go to and the best is Richmond with all their picks but they dont want him.

I meant the minimum Carl could get away with ( or what they think is the minimum - it will be more than 6 ).
Happy for you to tell me how wrong I was in a couple of weeks.

 

[judd05]

I meant the minimum Carl could get away with ( or what they think is the minimum - it will be more than 6 ).
Happy for you to tell me how wrong I was in a couple of weeks.

I just think we would be crazy to over pay when we are the proffered club for a uncontracted player wanting to come home
just my opinion

 

[Hogwild]

I just think we would be crazy to over pay when we are the proffered club for a uncontracted player wanting to come home
just my opinion

Totally understand
What we are hearing here is that Cerra wants Freo fairly compensated - I have no doubt we will ask for too much (i.e. 2 first rd ) but will eventually accept the trade value of about pick 3 ( pick 6 plus a bit more however that happens ).
Honestly I still think Carl will be the winners of that deal long term - he's a jet and I wish he was staying.

 

[judd05]

Totally understand
What we are hearing here is that Cerra wants Freo fairly compensated - I have no doubt we will ask for too much (i.e. 2 first rd ) but will eventually accept the trade value of about pick 3 ( pick 6 plus a bit more however that happens ).
Honestly I still think Carl will be the winners of that deal long term - he's a jet and I wish he was staying.

That would all depend on what Adam believes is fair and could think i was pick 5 gave them 4 years and 6 is fair compared to what melbourne would offer
but im thinking Adam wants to be fairly paid more

 

[Hogwild]

That would all depend on what Adam believes is fair and could think i was pick 5 gave them 4 years and 6 is fair compared to what melbourne would offer
but im thinking Adam wants to be fairly paid more

$ wasn't the issue - he was offered 4 years at $750K
Maybe if Carl can squeeze 35 out of WCE for SPS that will get it done packaged up with 6 ( points value pick 4 ).
Most Freo fans won't be happy with that but personally I feel we should accept that and move on.
Expect WCE to low ball the hell out of you for SPS.

 

[Red Bull]

$ wasn't the issue - he was offered 4 years at $750K
Maybe if Carl can squeeze 35 out of WCE for SPS that will get it done packaged up with 6 ( points value pick 4 ).
Most Freo fans won't be happy with that but personally I feel we should accept that and move on.
Expect WCE to low ball the hell out of you for SPS.

SPS and Cerra are OOC and going home.
It’s not low balling
It’s reality

 

[Aphrodite]

How is it low ball ?
Its called paying whats fair

#6 is more than enough as the alternative is melbourne and you would not be getting that type of pick from them if not then they can try to convince him to stay or select another club who have the pick and the cap space or cerra can enter the draft if he wants to get to the blues. teams wont risk a top 5 pick on a player that doesnt want to play for them
North - No
Hawks - No
GC - No
GWS - no
crows - no

Ok lookey what do we have here.

A Richmond poster masquerading as a Carlton fan.


Bye!

 

[CoachB]

If Cerra was a pick 5 and it is widely accepted that he has made an exceptional start to his career how if this years pick 6 ( actually 8 ) a "fair" offer?
Picking top 10s is still a risk and some bust, Cerra is a confirmed pick 5. I'm genuinely trying to understand this point of view - if you call it a lowball I get it, I just don't by the "fair" argument.

Its fair because he's out of contract and wants to leave..

 

[JuddgementDay]

I'll be the first one to say that I do not have a clue on what $$$ our players are on...

But, I'm not too sure how we can entertain Cerra whilst we are also trying to make room for Hewett... and still leave enough up our sleeve for Walsh next year, Weiters and CC too at some stage.

Take a look at Sydney: From here https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/playing-list-contract-status.1141970/post-46124297

Who are their top 10 most expensive players and yet they are hamstrung by Franklin's contract.
At a guess the top 5 would include: Franklin, Heeney, Lloyd, Mills and Parker

They had to let Alirr Alirr go last year and this year they are looking at loosing both Hewett and Dawson.

We have a number of recent contracted players on pretty high salary already, I'm not too sure how we could accommodate Cerra.

Cripps, McKay, Martin, Saad, Williams, McGov, Docherty - they will consume a large chunk of our salary cap already.
Of course, I'll leave it to our list managers - but, it doesn't mean we can't discuss it

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I'll be the first one to say that I do not have a clue on what $$$ our players are on...

But, I'm not too sure how we can entertain Cerra whilst we are also trying to make room for Hewett... and still leave enough up our sleeve for Walsh next year, Weiters and CC too at some stage.

Take a look at Sydney: From here https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/playing-list-contract-status.1141970/post-46124297

Who are their top 10 most expensive players and yet they are hamstrung by Franklin's contract.
At a guess the top 5 would include: Franklin, Heeney, Lloyd, Mills and Parker

They had to let Alirr Alirr go last year and this year they are looking at loosing both Hewett and Dawson.

We have a number of recent contracted players on pretty high salary already, I'm not too sure how we could accommodate Cerra.

Cripps, McKay, Martin, Saad, Williams, McGov, Docherty - they will consume a large chunk of our salary cap already.
Of course, I'll leave it to our list managers - but, it doesn't mean we can't discuss it

someone like Setterfield, Marchbank or SPS would probably be on around that $400k mark already so getting someone like Hewitt in can easily be offset by losing one of them. Cerra likewise might only get an extra ~$200k more then what they are getting.
Unless our kids keep underperforming we will no doubt run into trouble but hopefully if we are having success we can then start having players accepting less. I think it’ll come down to making smart calls on our depth players. Which ones we need to keep and which ones we can do without. No point paying guys $3-400k to sit in the VFL side. One smart call on those type of guys can easily cover the amount overpaid to some other players. With reduced lists there really should be handy players available for depth that can be picked up on a rookie wage. I don’t think clubs are brutal enough but I see no point in offering someone like Newnes more then a rookie wage as I couldn’t imagine any other side wanting him.

 

[gbatman]

Looks likely Hewett is coming our way. He's no superstar but I like how he plays, he's going to bring some pressure and physicality and we lack that. You add Cerra as well and here are two guys likely to start in the midfield for us and improve us.

IMO our midfield is a basketcase. Too many slow, immobile, tall types and a few who don't like the contest or to chase in there. It needs to be rebuilt. Backline is pretty good, forward line is coming along, too many of the same type who don't suit the modern game in the middle.

Getting these two goes a step in the right direction for us I would hope.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Looks likely Hewett is coming our way. He's no superstar but I like how he plays, he's going to bring some pressure and physicality and we lack that. You add Cerra as well and here are two guys likely to start in the midfield for us and improve us.

IMO our midfield is a basketcase. Too many slow immobile tall types and a few who don't like the contest or to chase in there. It needs to be rebuilt. Backline is pretty good, forward line is coming along, too many of the same type who don't suit the modern game in the middle.

Getting these two goes a step in the right direction for us I would hope.

Bang on as usual.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Looks likely Hewett is coming our way. He's no superstar but I like how he plays, he's going to bring some pressure and physicality and we lack that. You add Cerra as well and here are two guys likely to start in the midfield for us and improve us.

IMO our midfield is a basketcase. Too many slow, immobile, tall types and a few who don't like the contest or to chase in there. It needs to be rebuilt. Backline is pretty good, forward line is coming along, too many of the same type who don't suit the modern game in the middle.

Getting these two goes a step in the right direction for us I would hope.

This is a good summary of our predicament.
The midfielder is undoubtedly our biggest problem area in my view and there are many better midfield groups in the league.
We have drafted highly rated midfielders who simply haven’t translated junior form to seniors.
Not a criminal offence on the players because I’m sure they are trying and there’s still hope for most of them but at some point the club is entitled to look at other options.
Also I don’t necessarily think it’s a failure of the clubs drafting or development and at the very worst we’ve got trade-able assets that we can turn into other assets or help manage our salary cap.