List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Jimmyonesix]

Exactly. Carlton currently has very few assets to tempt players from other clubs & Cripps is about the biggest there is at Carlton. Everyone knows Carlton is underperforming, including players coming out of contract. It's not really clear if that is due to bad culture or bad coaching but neither is an attractive proposition for other players.

I'm sure Saad & Williams are both pretty disappointed with how this year has gone.

I don't for a minute believe that Carlton has cap issues when you look at the list of players OOC this year. It's like half the list. There's no point though having cap space if it ends up being used to pay over the odds for underperforming/low skill players just to hit the minimum. Carlton did that for years because no players would come.

I think the only way Teague can survive is with a big turnover of assistants, which I would like to see and for the whole group to start laying down some non-negotiables. It has been too easy at Carlton for too long, too easy to get a game, too easy to bludge, too easy to miss tackles, too easy to have sh*t skills.

Some of the reason it's gone bad is because of Saad and Williams -- Saad has been average 80% of games played -- Williams can't do what we recruited him -- same as Martin and mcgovern haven't been able to provide what they should be due to there fragile bodies

 

[Koutamightafides]

Gotta keep some young ones though...

We have two draft classes that have hardly played , add another two tomorrow and it's looking more than likely a pick around 5 this year . I am looking forward to seeing Kempy later in the year in the firsts and I don't think he will get dropped once he is in , he is going to be an absolute gun .

 

[Koutamightafides]

Yes...
But, it's been reported that Cerra want's Richmond and CCJ would warrant more than a second rounder...

Merrett - No chance of leaving * for us...

By all reports we had our chances with Oliver & Merrett last year and missed the boat..
Same with Papley and Wines the year before...

But Dildoro got pick 8 out of us for an uncontracted Saad last year , how much would he have wanted for a contracted Merrett and where would we have got it from ?

 

[Ash24]

For me Cerra vs Cripps is a win for Freo but Cerra has probably 80-100 games more left then Cripps so it’s not that huge of an upgrade. (On Cripps last two years form)
SPS is worth a pick in the 30’s, Fisher around 25-30. I personally rate Fisher a lot higher then others though.


Carlton out
Cripps, Fisher, SPS
In: Coleman-Jones, 7, 9

Freo out: Cerra, 9, pick~35
In: Cripps, Fisher, SPS, pick~14

Rich out: Pick~14, CCJ
In: Cerra, pick ~35

1 - Freo and Richmond are getting so much more out of this trade than Carlton. How is this a fair deal on us?

2 - Cripps has arguably returned to almost 2018-19 form the last 3 weeks. Averaging 26 touches, 9 tackles, 6 clearances and 15 contested possessions a game. He's also started hitting the scoreboard more in this last month or so.

A shoulder injury last year (resulting in a full reconstruction) and a fractured back early this year has set him back, but he's returning to the Cripps we know and love. He has many great years of footy ahead of him.

3 - Where did the pick 7 coming to Carlton come from?

4 - SPS is worth more than a pick in the 30s. People forget so quickly how good he was when played in the midfield/HFF. Probably worth a mid first rounder.

5 - Once again, Fisher is worth much more than pick 25-30.

 

[Koutamightafides]

I thought Cripps was signing a 4 year deal ? Didn't they say 2 weeks a month ago ??

 

[Ash24]

• Carlton do Fremantle a solid and give them Cripps for FA compo only (Pick 7)
• Carlton trade Fisher and SPS to Fremantle
• Fremantle trade (Pick 9) to Carlton and Cerra to Richmond
• Richmond receive Cerra and trade Colman Jones to Carlton

Fremantle
In: Cripps, Fisher & SPS
Out: Cerra & Pick 9

Richmond
In: Cerra
Out: Colman-Jones

Carlton
In: Pick 7, Pick 9 & Colman-Jones
Out: Cripps, Fisher & SPS

I think these are a decent set of trades, but why would we not match a bid for Cripps?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I thought Cripps was signing a 4 year deal ? Didn't they say 2 weeks a month ago ??

He's not happy

 

[Koutamightafides]

He's not happy

Off he goes then .

 

[bmaurizio]

Freo can pony up their 1st rounder and a reasonable youngster to begin then maybe take a seat at the trade table.
What the final outcome would be I’ve no idea.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

1 - Freo and Richmond are getting so much more out of this trade than Carlton. How is this a fair deal on us?

2 - Cripps has arguably returned to almost 2018-19 form the last 3 weeks. Averaging 26 touches, 9 tackles, 6 clearances and 15 contested possessions a game. He's also started hitting the scoreboard more in this last month or so.

A shoulder injury last year (resulting in a full reconstruction) and a fractured back early this year has set him back, but he's returning to the Cripps we know and love. He has many great years of footy ahead of him.

3 - Where did the pick 7 coming to Carlton come from?

4 - SPS is worth more than a pick in the 30s. People forget so quickly how good he was when played in the midfield/HFF. Probably worth a mid first rounder.

5 - Once again, Fisher is worth much more than pick 25-30.

It’s just a hypothetical on an above trade. Obviously we have to assume it on current form and them requesting a trade.

cripps is putting up top 20-30 midfield type performances the last few weeks, playing really well but probably a lesser impact then Libba type games. back in 18/19 he was playing like a top 5 player in the comp. he is still way off that.
SPS can’t get a game in a bottom six side who have a heap of injuries, he then stunk it up on reserves. He also hasn’t got a known position/role. HF is the hope but he has never kicked more then two goals and most modern sides require huge work rate in that role, his weakness. I love him but he is now a speculative player.
Fisher I wouldn’t trade for a pick outside of 15 but ask any non blues fan and they are saying mid twenties or later imo.

7 comes from the Compo for Cripps.

 

[Arr0w]

FMD, trade scenarios for Crippa

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

FMD, trade scenarios for Crippa

What do you rekon Walsh is worth? .......

 

[jpfalvo]

He's not happy

Fact or fiction?

Sent from my SM-N975F using Tapatalk

 

[Arr0w]

What do you rekon Walsh is worth? .......

A 3rd rounder

 

[Ash24]

Best way for us to get overs, out of a bad situation...
Fisher - 1 x mid second rounder
SPS - 1 x end second rounder

What sucks, is that Fisher/SPS aren't currently worth significantly more than what you've put them as (I still think it's slightly unders * ). However, we will never be able to get what they are truly worth if they don't string together good form in the seniors, and are played in their real positions!


* I think ideally Fisher is worth pick 15-20, and SPS pick 25-30.

 

[Ash24]

It’s just a hypothetical on an above trade. Obviously we have to assume it on current form and them requesting a trade.

cripps is putting up top 20-30 midfield type performances the last few weeks, playing really well but probably a lesser impact then Libba type games. back in 18/19 he was playing like a top 5 player in the comp. he is still way off that.
SPS can’t get a game in a bottom six side who have a heap of injuries, he then stunk it up on reserves. He also hasn’t got a known position/role. HF is the hope but he has never kicked more then two goals and most modern sides require huge work rate in that role, his weakness. I love him but he is now a speculative player.
Fisher I wouldn’t trade for a pick outside of 15 but ask any non blues fan and they are saying mid twenties or later imo.

7 comes from the Compo for Cripps.

I think you're underselling him. He's averaging 26 touches, 9 tackles, 6 clearances and 15 contested possessions a game whilst coming off a shoulder reco and a fractured back. If he continues the way he's been playing the last 3 weeks, he is definitely top 10 mid worthy.

 

[DEliades]

This board needs a win. Trading Crippa - ffs. He’s staying you morons

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

Carlton & Richmond do well out of that deal

cunningham is out for a. year...

 

[KohPhi]

A 3rd rounder

Overs.. way overs. Kevin Walsh would be near on 60. Dodoro screwing us again!

 

[Manhattanite]

Time to play the kids


B: Parks Jones Saad
HB: Stocker Weiters Williams
C: Doc Walsh LOB
HF: Martin McKay SPS
F: Owies Casboult JSOS
R: TDK Cripps Setterfield
I/C: Honey Dow Fogarty E. Curnow
Sub: Murph to get to 300

Carrol, Philp, Durdin, Kemp, Ramsay to all get some games by end of year

imo players like LOB, Honey, Dow have to come in and be given more important roles. Same with Stocker and Setters

I used to want to play the kids but now I’m not so sure because
a) we finally seem to have some talented development coaches in place
b) our reserves team haven’t had enough games yet to allow those players to work into form and work on their development issues
c) they will get to play their preferred position in the reserves

I would rather bring in each of them once they’ve shown decent form for 3-4 consecutive weeks in the VFL so I feel bringing them in rounds 16-19 for the rest of the year is better for them than bringing in them now.




Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[Blues Clues]

Bundle up Walsh, Cripps, McKay and Weiters and just shut the doors

 

[Weiterbot23]

We've admitted that our development has been shocking, which is why we brought in Power and boosted the development coaches.

It is a disgrace for the club to start the biggest rebuild in its history, then 5 years on go, oh sorry, our development is shit...

 

[smashbox gill]

I used to want to play the kids but now I’m not so sure because
a) we finally seem to have some talented development coaches in place
b) our reserves team haven’t had enough games yet to allow those players to work into form and work on their development issues
c) they will get to play their preferred position in the reserves

I would rather bring in each of them once they’ve shown decent form for 3-4 consecutive weeks in the VFL so I feel bringing them in rounds 16-19 for the rest of the year is better for them than bringing in them now.




Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

What if there’s no VFL because of Covid?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It is a disgrace for the club to start the biggest rebuild in its history, then 5 years on go, oh sorry, our development is sh*t...

It’s one of those things you probably don’t know until you know. The first bunch of McKay, Curnow, Weitering and JSOS all have done aswell as you could’ve hoped. I think most expected Cuningham was going to be a slow burn. Then came Fisher and SPS who started their careers extremely well. We stuffed Weitering around and he regressed. The problem probably wasn’t really apparent until Dow and LOB came onto the scene and funnily enough TDK was in the same draft and looks like we are doing a great job with him.
The only player that really worries me individually is SPS. He just never progressed. This could be a big concern and the clubs fault or he could just be like Daniel Rioli, which it would be hard to slag Richmond with poor development. Hundreds of players have played good football and not gone on with it so who knows.

I also posted earlier that during SOS’s time at GWS he probably had a 50% record in the first round of players living up to expectations. Geelong probably have a 25% record over the last decade. (I haven’t gone through the lists) we all know we will have misses, it might just be a coincidence that we had 3-4 in a row. If Walsh, Stocker, Kemp and Philp all make it then if Dow, LOB or even Setterfield who we recruited aren’t busts then that is probably a bigger anomaly.

The thing is it’s all guess work and pretty hard to know until it’s too late yet you will never actually know because recruiting isn’t an exact science.

 

[Ash24]

It’s one of those things you probably don’t know until you know. The first bunch of McKay, Curnow, Weitering and JSOS all have done aswell as you could’ve hoped. I think most expected Cuningham was going to be a slow burn. Then came Fisher and SPS who started their careers extremely well. We stuffed Weitering around and he regressed. The problem probably wasn’t really apparent until Dow and LOB came onto the scene and funnily enough TDK was in the same draft and looks like we are doing a great job with him.
The only player that really worries me individually is SPS. He just never progressed. This could be a big concern and the clubs fault or he could just be like Daniel Rioli, which it would be hard to slag Richmond with poor development. Hundreds of players have played good football and not gone on with it so who knows.

I also posted earlier that during SOS’s time at GWS he probably had a 50% record in the first round of players living up to expectations. Geelong probably have a 25% record over the last decade. (I haven’t gone through the lists) we all know we will have misses, it might just be a coincidence that we had 3-4 in a row. If Walsh, Stocker, Kemp and Philp all make it then if Dow, LOB or even Setterfield who we recruited aren’t busts then that is probably a bigger anomaly.

The thing is it’s all guess work and pretty hard to know until it’s too late yet you will never actually know because recruiting isn’t an exact science.

I agree, it must be a problem with our development and/or instructions from coaches. Some of our players have just seemed to almost go backwards in their development.

Weiters, Harry and Walsh have been superb.
TDK, Fisher, JSOS, Cunners (and Charlie?) are getting there.
Jury is still out on Stocker, Kemp, Philp, Ramsay, Carroll and Durdin.
Setters, Kennedy, Dow, Willo, O'Brien and Samo just haven't reached where they should be.
Polson and Macreadie have been busts.

Overall about a 50% strike rate.