List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread

[Lomas]

Ahh apologies.

Pretty clear cut for mine. We had a need we didnt fill, and i think hes a great fit age profile wise.

With the ability of midfielders to play small forward, and personally i rate Mahony (i know others dont), i didnt see the point in drafting another small forward.

We need a key back that isnt an 18 year old. We need a 23-25 year old to slot in. Dean would have been perfect.

I see our 2023 first rounder filling this need.

 

[Shinboner1]

I see Lynch as the, very valuable, fluffer in our squad. Don’t underestimate the little things.

in what sense do you mean?
He's not going to play senior football and still working in the coaching/development space.
Literally nothing has changed from previous reports except now he's going to take up a valuable rookie spot.

 

[B4Bear]

in what sense do you mean?
He's not going to play senior football and still working in the coaching/development space.
Literally nothing has changed from previous reports except now he's going to take up a valuable rookie spot.

Valuable rookie spot? Yeah I guess keeping Ham or a clone of him would propel us into the finals this year.

 

[Shinboner1]

Valuable rookie spot? Yeah I guess keeping Ham or a clone of him would propel us into the finals this year.

Did I not just use Dean as an example of a player who's basically touted for senior footy in his first season of AFL?

 

[Ligma]

Did I not just use Dean as an example of a player who's basically touted for senior footy in his first season of AFL?

He is only mentioned because Roughead is injured LMFAO apart from that he is an unproven rookie.

 

[Shinboner1]

He is only mentioned because Roughead is injured LMFAO apart from that he is an unproven rookie.

So he was mentioned because he fills a need a in a side with an injury?
Sounds like someone thinks he's good enough to play senior footy without needing years of development.
You expecting him to push out a 31yr old established player?
If he doesn't then he's not worth a rookie spot right?

 

[Ligma]

So he was mentioned because he fills a need a in a side with an injury?
Sounds like someone thinks he's good enough to play senior footy without needing years of development.
You expecting him to push out a 31yr old established player?
If he doesn't then he's not worth a rookie spot right?

Oh my god. ITS LITERALLY BECAUSE COLLINGWOOD HAVE 1 TO NONE KPD STOCKS LMFAOOO and they won’t play Kruger down back because they want him as a forward.

It was literally only talk you take things so face value it’s laughable.

I’m not expecting anything with him I don’t even have my eye on him there are more players who catch my eye. They would just play Madgen anyway.

 

[Shinboner1]

Oh my god. ITS LITERALLY BECAUSE COLLINGWOOD HAVE 1 TO NONE KPD STOCKS LMFAOOO and they won’t play Kruger down back because they want him as a forward.

It was literally only talk you take things so face value it’s laughable.

I’m not expecting anything with him I don’t even have my eye on him there are more players who catch my eye. They would just play Madgen anyway.

OMG North literally have Ben Mckay and a developing Matt McGuiness.
Dean would probably play over Matt if it came to it.
We're not really in that much of a different situation.
Josh Walker is a swingman at best.

 

[Ligma]

OMG North literally have Ben Mckay and a developing Matt McGuiness.
Dean would probably play over Matt if it came to it.
We're not really in that much of a different situation.
Josh Walker is a swingman at best.

Yes we are in a similar situation but you think that Dean will only play due to pUShInG OuT aN eStaBlIShEd PlaYeR when they would literally have no choice but to play him.

Don’t underestimate Josh Walkers season this year. If Josh never stood up in the Hawthorn game last year in the dying minutes we would have lost that game plain and simple. He is really undervalued.

 

[HBFlanker]

I see our 2023 first rounder filling this need.

So they will be 4 to 5 years behind in development from Jy, LDU, Stevo, Larkey, Zurhaar etc.

I'm completely against taking an 18 year old key back at the draft. Very very few come on in a reasonable timeframe

 

[Shinboner1]

Yes we are in a similar situation but you think that Dean will only play due to pUShInG OuT aN eStaBlIShEd PlaYeR when they would literally have no choice but to play him.

Don’t underestimate Josh Walkers season this year. If Josh never stood up in the Hawthorn game last year in the dying minutes we would have lost that game plain and simple.

My argument is that Dean would have been a good pickup because he'd be good coverage in case of injury and apparently ready made for AFL
Your argument is that he's only touted to play seniors because someone is injured in a position he covers - because he's apparently good enough?

 

[Shinboner1]

So they will be 4 to 5 years behind in development from Jy, LDU, Stevo, Larkey, Zurhaar etc.

I'm completely against taking an 18 year old key back at the draft. Very very few come on in a reasonable timeframe

Somebody gets it.

 

[Psicosis]

My argument is that Dean would have been a good pickup because he'd be good coverage in case of injury and apparently ready made for AFL
Your argument is that he's only touted to play seniors because someone is injured in a position he covers - because he's apparently good enough?

What if he's a spud? I think it's a little premature for this level of buyers remorse.

This time last year Larkey was our only KPF option. Fast forward 12 months and we are stacked with Larkey, Comben, Coleman-Jones & Edwards.

Things change quickly.

 

[Ligma]

My argument is that Dean would have been a good pickup because he'd be good coverage in case of injury and apparently ready made for AFL
Your argument is that he's only touted to play seniors because someone is injured in a position he covers - because he's apparently good enough?

Wow you think you’re so funny.

If you literally opened your eyes I literally said he is only mentioned in talks on the pies board BECAUSE of injury to Jordan Roughead apart from that he is UNPROVEN (I never said he was good enough there is a difference).

And if you read my other comment I said they would play Madgen anyways.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I just hope if lynch does take the last rookie spot that we can free that spot up for the MSD. Put him on inactive list before round 11

 

[Lomas]

So they will be 4 to 5 years behind in development from Jy, LDU, Stevo, Larkey, Zurhaar etc.

I'm completely against taking an 18 year old key back at the draft. Very very few come on in a reasonable timeframe

I meant to trade in a developed player.

 

[Shinboner1]

I just hope if lynch does take the last rookie spot that we can free that spot up for the MSD. Put him on inactive list before round 11

That's my thought on why he'd be taken as rookie spot if at all.
Unless we're that strapped in the soft cap for another coach on basic money?
Somehow we've paid him until now without officially signing him on the list so how much of a problem is it really?
Assume he still gets paid the full years salary if he decides to retire mid year?
Can development coaches normally play in the vfl or is there some regulations around that aswell?

 

[King Corey]

Re Charlie Dean or any overlooked hyped up player, I've seen this cut both ways over the years.

Will Gayfer was a young fullback, (much) older brother had been a Collingwood player. Every phantom draft talked him up and it was a 'shock' when he slid all the way through the ND, PSD and rookie drafts that year. He went on to never get on an AFL list and never make AFL clubs regret that call. So much ado about nothing.

On the other hand you have Aaron Davey. Came from the clouds to play with our VFL affiliate (Port Melbourne). Was just electric and eye-catching, great guy, came to the North end of season BBQ and wanted to come to North Melbourne. VFL commentary spoke about him as a potential early pick.

Every club overthought it and overlooked him in the ND, PSD and then we decided to forfeit our rookie pick for financial reasons ( ) and Melbourne snapped him up. He went on to have a very good career, showcased his extreme pace and skills in the AFL and would've been a very handy inclusion in our 2000s side to complement Boomer and Wells a the feet of Rocca, Petrie, Hale et al. It's worth noting he ended up having a better career than just about every ND pick from that year.

So Charlie Dean might be the next Will Gayfer, the next Aaron Davey or somewhere in between. Who knows?

 

[Shinboner1]

What if he's a spud? I think it's a little premature for this level of buyers remorse.

This time last year Larkey was our only KPF option. Fast forward 12 months and we are stacked with Larkey, Comben, Coleman-Jones & Edwards.

Things change quickly.

I'm happy to be wrong if he is a spud. But the upside if he is any good is a lot higher.
Its only a rookie spot on a 1 year contract after all but winning the VFL best player award has me thinking he's another Tom Highmore type.

 

[Shinboner1]

Re Charlie Dean or any overlooked hyped up player, I've seen this cut both ways over the years.

Will Gayfer was a young fullback, (much) older brother had been a Collingwood player. Every phantom draft talked him up and it was a 'shock' when he slid all the way through the ND, PSD and rookie drafts that year. He went on to never get on an AFL list and never make AFL clubs regret that call. So much ado about nothing.

On the other hand you have Aaron Davey. Came from the clouds to play with our VFL affiliate (Port Melbourne). Was just electric and eye-catching, great guy, came to the North end of season BBQ and wanted to come to North Melbourne. VFL commentary spoke about him as a potential early pick.

Every club overthought it and overlooked him in the ND, PSD and then we decided to forfeit our rookie pick for financial reasons ( ) and Melbourne snapped him up. He went on to have a very good career, showcased his extreme pace and skills in the AFL and would've been a very handy inclusion in our 2000s side to complement Boomer and Wells a the feet of Rocca, Petrie, Hale et al. It's worth noting he ended up having a better career than just about every ND pick from that year.

So Charlie Dean might be the next Will Gayfer, the next Aaron Davey or somewhere in between. Who knows?

Great write up mate.
Its my argument as to why giving him a rookie contract when we could have would have been the right idea.
Almost no risk to the club on 1 year especially if he's just taking a spot off Tom Lynch.

 

[Passmore]

What if he's a spud? I think it's a little premature for this level of buyers remorse.

This time last year Larkey was our only KPF option. Fast forward 12 months and we are stacked with Larkey, Comben, Coleman-Jones & Edwards.

Things change quickly.

Bottom line is, if we'd have thought this Dean chap offered any value, I suspect we'd have selected him.

It'd be folly to recruit a player you thought was no good.

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[King Corey]

Great write up mate.
Its my argument as to why giving him a rookie contract when we could have would have been the right idea.
Almost no risk to the club on 1 year especially if he's just taking a spot off Tom Lynch.

Yeh I've been on the same page that queries how our books are so loaded that we needed to value Tom Lynch's coaching prowess higher than one more speculative player.

I guess we'll know in a couple of years which way it works out. If our group develops at least well as we all hope then you have to think the coaching move was part of that mix. If Charlie Dean goes on to have a devastating AA level AFL career then we have to cop that opportunity cost too.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

So they will be 4 to 5 years behind in development from Jy, LDU, Stevo, Larkey, Zurhaar etc.

I'm completely against taking an 18 year old key back at the draft. Very very few come on in a reasonable timeframe

I'm not that fussed about not getting a KPD last year. We lack depth, sure, but McKay, Walker, Corr is fine for a developing side and while I like Mahony, we definitely needed a genuine goalkicking small on our list and hopefully Curtis is that.

But this post is also true. I don't see the benefit of getting an 18 year old tall back in this years draft. It doesn't fit our timeline IMO. I'd rather trade the pick, and another one if we have to, to get an established KPD in that 21-25 age range or get a FA to fill that space.

 

[Orange Peanut]

I just don't get how you can look at our recruiting the last few years and assume your opinion on Dean is correct and those guys stuffed it up.

 

[ferball]

I'm not that fussed about not getting a KPD last year. We lack depth, sure, but McKay, Walker, Corr is fine for a developing side and while I like Mahony, we definitely needed a genuine goalkicking small on our list and hopefully Curtis is that.

But this post is also true. I don't see the benefit of getting an 18 year old tall back in this years draft. It doesn't fit our timeline IMO. I'd rather trade the pick, and another one if we have to, to get an established KPD in that 21-25 age range or get a FA to fill that space.

If we need another KPD we should be doing both.

We have Walker, Corr, McKay and McGuiness all at about the same age difference (2-3 years) and based on that we are due for another KPD from somewhere in that 18 (17-19) year old age group that we start developing now. Not for now but for 2027/28. One good KPD every three years from whatever source is enough that we should then have a good mix of youth and experience across that role. That way we have long term options. Ideally that would be perfect and we could react to players not developing or leaving etc etc with Free Agents.

We could do the same using Larks, then Comben and maybe Edwards as KPFs. Provided they are coming on then we get another in a couple of years to develop as these current guys dominate. Then its a matter of maintaining our midfield over a decade or more. Which is harder as the best prospects go low in the draft. Its doable with smart trading tho as Melbourne have shown recently. They seem to always have good draft access.