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List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

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    • Key Dates:

    Trade Period, October 6–18
    • Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
    • Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm
    Quiet Period, October 19–November 20
    • Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
    • List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
    • Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
    • Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
    • List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm
    Draft Period, November 20–22
    • Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
    • Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
    • Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
    • Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
    • Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
    • List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
    • Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
    • Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
    • Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm
    * List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)
     
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    • Bandicoot said:
    The club made a huge error last year relying solely on internal growth believing that there were no deficiencies, the kids would get better after another year and the grand final was simply an anomaly.
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    Sorry Bandicoot.. But I simply, very strongly disagree with statements like this.
    Did the Club believe there were No deficiencies? Of course not, they're not that stupid!
    Did the club believe that there would be improvement via Internal growth? Probably yes, and rightly so. Kids do get better with experience and physical development - Gulden, Campbell & McDonald are just a few examples.

    Why did we not trade in a quality KPP or a quality inside mid or a quality 'what ever position each poster thinks we are deficient at' last year?
    There is a list management / list build plan..
    It involves Salary cap space and management over multiple years
    It involves intermit knowledge of what players might want to live in Sydney.
    What players will fit into our current squad socially etc
    What would any player cost in terms of draft and salary capital..
    What players might leave our list
    It will involve numerous other factors
    And..... None of these factors are you or I aware of.

    Last year (or two) it was clear that the plan was to sign on players and consolidate our core. The Swans have signed many players on long term deals.
    Last year it was clear that the plan was to trade into this years draft.
    This year it was clear to be active in the trade period. Barrass, TDK, McKay, Himmelberg all chose to stay at their current club or Victoria - It wasn't as if the Swans didn't try!.. Looks like we'll land Grundy & Jordan. With our remaining draft capital and cap space (which our list management has been building), we might land 1 or 2 other players,, and/or we might prepare for next years trade period.

    There is so much that goes on behind closed doors and out of the reach of the media
     

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    SGBeach said:
    Brisbane win today if they had a pure lockdown small defender to stop Hill

    Agree Fox will be depth, but think Cunningham will play.

    Its a wait and see who we trade in and what roles they play. Maybe we trade a 21-23yo mid who's not getting a game to take over from Cunningham as that small defender?? Need to be quick with decent skills by foot, and need to be calm under pressure.
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    Cunningham was almost out of the side 2 years ago from memory. It was a late preseason injury that saw him get recalled to the side and was good enough to hold onto it. Won't be shocked to see him not line up next year round 1.
     
    mtooler said:
    Cunningham was almost out of the side 2 years ago from memory. It was a late preseason injury that saw him get recalled to the side and was good enough to hold onto it. Won't be shocked to see him not line up next year round 1.
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    Cunningham was that close to not being in the list this year it's not funny. Started off slow, but he build a nice season by the end of it. Outperformed my expectations
     
    mtooler said:
    Cunningham was almost out of the side 2 years ago from memory. It was a late preseason injury that saw him get recalled to the side and was good enough to hold onto it. Won't be shocked to see him not line up next year round 1.
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    Maybe you're right.. but who plays on the oppos small forward?
    Ive heard JMac be mentioned, but absolutely disagree. Hes much better in open play
    Both Wicks and Sheather have the speed and tenacity to be excellent in that position, but do they have the footy IQ or calmness?
    Is Rankin or Vickory an option? Anyone else?

    Im a fan (more than most) of Cunninghams. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to replace him over the next year or two rather than rd 1 2024
     
    Wheresbuddy said:
    An elite intercept defender within a good defensive unit is imperative though to help with the turnover leading to run out of defence. Tommy has that potential for us. Just need Melican to stay fit to free him up to play that role. Otherwise yes, I think Ruck and key forward is where you just need role players on average wage if you have the stars elsewhere.
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    100% agree! Particularly when most scores in the competition are generated through intercepts and turnovers rather than stoppages and clearances.

    Two of some of the best interceptors in the competition were represented in the Grand Final this year in Moore and Andrews. Last year it was Stewart and McCartin, who were also phenomenal in that regard.

    The Bulldogs are probably the only recent Grand Finalist not to possess such a player.

    Post Paddy McCartin we need to fill this role ASAP!
     
    SGBeach said:
    Sorry Bandicoot.. But I simply, very strongly disagree with statements like this.
    Did the Club believe there were No deficiencies? Of course not, they're not that stupid!
    Did the club believe that there would be improvement via Internal growth? Probably yes, and rightly so. Kids do get better with experience and physical development - Gulden, Campbell & McDonald are just a few examples.

    Why did we not trade in a quality KPP or a quality inside mid or a quality 'what ever position each poster thinks we are deficient at' last year?
    There is a list management / list build plan..
    It involves Salary cap space and management over multiple years
    It involves intermit knowledge of what players might want to live in Sydney.
    What players will fit into our current squad socially etc
    What would any player cost in terms of draft and salary capital..
    What players might leave our list
    It will involve numerous other factors
    And..... None of these factors are you or I aware of.

    Last year (or two) it was clear that the plan was to sign on players and consolidate our core. The Swans have signed many players on long term deals.
    Last year it was clear that the plan was to trade into this years draft.
    This year it was clear to be active in the trade period. Barrass, TDK, McKay, Himmelberg all chose to stay at their current club or Victoria - It wasn't as if the Swans didn't try!.. Looks like we'll land Grundy & Jordan. With our remaining draft capital and cap space (which our list management has been building), we might land 1 or 2 other players,, and/or we might prepare for next years trade period.

    There is so much that goes on behind closed doors and out of the reach of the media
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    I don't necessarily disagree with what you say as it may have been out of our control that we did not really bring any notable new blood into our squad last year. But, the reality is that Collingwood, Brisbane, Melbourne, Bulldogs, Geelong, Richmond and GWS did and it theorectically made them stronger. Obviously, some inclusions proved more successful than others.
    Staying with basically the same squad and having only later draft picks ensured that we were unlikely to improve and if you don't improve, you are losing ground on the others around us. Improve or go backwards.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Kinnear actually conceded when on "Gettable" that they erred by expecting the natural internal growth would suffice this year.
    I would be very pleased if we were able to include Grundy as ruck (an obvious need), Dow as an inside mid (an obvious need) and Jordon as an additional mid option.
    Melican's fitness will be a key factor next year unless Arnold can make up the ground to be an AFL footballer.
     
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    TheMase said:
    You feel confident now when they say we have a player touring our facilities. I don’t see how they wouldn’t be impressed, world class.
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    Dangerous chain link fences everywhere.

    And gutters ready to impart serious foot injury to any unsuspecting young player tossing an NFL ball.

    Our facilities are the most hazardous in the league.
     

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    zyzzbruh said:
    Collingwood won the GF purely between the arcs. No proper KPF, and don't necessarily have a star studded defence. We need to not worry so much about these KP players
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    Are you joking? I'd just about sacrifice my first born for Moore and Quaynor!
     

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    Jewelsbon said:
    Are you joking? I'd just about sacrifice my first born for Moore and Quaynor!
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    I remember when there was speculation that Moore may have been coming to Sydney the general consensus here was - No, he's always injured. Will spend most of the year in rehab with Reid, etc, etc.
    Granted he or his management did this simply to get a better deal from Collingwood but it does prove that what is happening right now or in the past will not always happen in the future.
     
    SGBeach said:
    Sorry Bandicoot.. But I simply, very strongly disagree with statements like this.
    Did the Club believe there were No deficiencies? Of course not, they're not that stupid!
    Did the club believe that there would be improvement via Internal growth? Probably yes, and rightly so. Kids do get better with experience and physical development - Gulden, Campbell & McDonald are just a few examples.

    Why did we not trade in a quality KPP or a quality inside mid or a quality 'what ever position each poster thinks we are deficient at' last year?
    There is a list management / list build plan..
    It involves Salary cap space and management over multiple years
    It involves intermit knowledge of what players might want to live in Sydney.
    What players will fit into our current squad socially etc
    What would any player cost in terms of draft and salary capital..
    What players might leave our list
    It will involve numerous other factors
    And..... None of these factors are you or I aware of.

    Last year (or two) it was clear that the plan was to sign on players and consolidate our core. The Swans have signed many players on long term deals.
    Last year it was clear that the plan was to trade into this years draft.
    This year it was clear to be active in the trade period. Barrass, TDK, McKay, Himmelberg all chose to stay at their current club or Victoria - It wasn't as if the Swans didn't try!.. Looks like we'll land Grundy & Jordan. With our remaining draft capital and cap space (which our list management has been building), we might land 1 or 2 other players,, and/or we might prepare for next years trade period.

    There is so much that goes on behind closed doors and out of the reach of the media
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    I think this is mostly right.

    Hindsight is 20-20 but I think we had a bit of a bob each way with extending Franklin (which for some reason we did before the end of the season). I think the recruiters did think we were ahead of schedule but also there.

    The Franklin money would have been better spent on midfield depth, a ruck or a key defender.

    Though if Swans win the GF and all our tall timbre (including Franklin) don’t go down in 2023, then things look different. So it’s not really fair to sit here and judge.
     
    SGBeach said:
    Maybe you're right.. but who plays on the oppos small forward?
    Ive heard JMac be mentioned, but absolutely disagree. Hes much better in open play
    Both Wicks and Sheather have the speed and tenacity to be excellent in that position, but do they have the footy IQ or calmness?
    Is Rankin or Vickory an option? Anyone else?

    Im a fan (more than most) of Cunninghams. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to replace him over the next year or two rather than rd 1 2024
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    Yeah agree. The spot is Cunningham’s to lose I reckon.

    I do like the idea of Wicks as a small defender though. I reckon he could channel all his pestering energy into being not-stop in the face of the opposition’s small forward (like a Crowley or a Crouch). I think having this constant opportunity to niggle could help him get the loose cheap shit out of his game as well.

    That said, I also like Wicks in the forward line when he is on. Wherever he plays, he needs to focus on consistency of intensity (both not dropping too low or going over the top).
     
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