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[Coona Blues]

Problem is that every second week Young would be forced to play on smalls or mediums which he isn’t capable of.

Swings and roundabouts. If TDK plays back as suggested or indeed chooses to leave, we would need a ready to play second ruck, either swapping out of defence, or more likely contributing forward. Young has that skill set. Played ruck/forward for the Bulldogs before trading to us. If he was “ready” for that role three years ago, homuch more ready would he be for it now?

 

[goreds]

That's the thing though - you've named 2 AFL players in the entire AFL system. How much luck do you need to land a player of that calibre?

With Arr0w on the job, we’re a chance…

Dream big!

 

[Coona Blues]

FWIW, TDK is “losing” value as the season goes on. Discussions about multiple firsts were ludicrous, and now even more so. He does seem to be in demand though. I would suggest we will need to be “overs”. With our likely draft requirement over the next two years, I would suggest a high second this year and a future second to manipulate the points needed to match the Campo boys would be around the mark.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

All just a unfortunate coincidence, I’m sure none of them are true and all these women have got together to ruin Tarryns football career.

Who knows.

You certainly don't.

 

[goreds]

All just a unfortunate coincidence, I’m sure none of them are true and all these women have got together to ruin Tarryns football career.

Even if he was cleared of all allegations he will NOT end up at Carlton (see Ross Lyon), as the Carlton moral police will see to that…

‘He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone’…

 

[Blue__Balls]

I see two avenues to fix our lack of pace in the starting side.

1. We commit to the slower midfield set-up (Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh) and recruit fast half forward types who can play short bursts in the middle (ie. Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

27

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

, Josh Rachele, Gryan Miers

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Gryan Miers

Age

27

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.2

4star

, Zac Bailey

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Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

, Archie Perkins etc. - not those specific players, but those types). Ideally we'd want two of them, and they'd replace Fisher and (probably) Owies in the starting lineup. Kennedy and Cripps get some more forward time, Cerra and Hewett get some more half back time, we rotate the two half forwards as well as Doc (from HB) through the middle to give us a bit of dash.

Probably need to try and trade out future first for a late first this year, give us two picks inside the top 20 to target these types.

2. We relent on the slow midfield preference, trade someone who has value (ie. Kennedy), and recruit a quick dedicated midfielder. Probably still need a quick HFF/mid as well to improve the connection. Cripps plays pretty much pure midfield, Walsh and Cerra rotate as the third mid, and the recruited pacy midfielder plays as much as possible in there. Hewett off the bench as a rotation for Cripps and probably a bit of HB time.

Assuming Kennedy gets us a second rounder, we could just go to the draft with our first plus that pick, and hope to find one of the types we need in the second round. Would prefer to try and package up our future first with the Kennedy pick to get us into the top 12 or so spots though, could get a really good talent there (in addition to our natural first which would be around the same mark).

HFF/mid - Nate Caddy, Koltyn Tholstrup, Nick Watson, Zane Duursma, Jack Delean, Sam Frangalas
Mids - Cooper Simpson, Colby McKercher, Will Lorenz, Riley Hardeman, Darcy Wilson
HBF - Nathan Philactides (has the profile of a potential midfielder)
Pipe dream (gone before we pick) - Harley Reid, Ashton Moir

Not against looking at a Schultz (Fre) or Farrell (PA) as a cheaper mature trade-in. But this draft is our friend, it's loaded with mid/fwd types and plenty of them appear to have good disposal and a bit of dash.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

FWIW, TDK is “losing” value as the season goes on. Discussions about multiple firsts were ludicrous, and now even more so. He does seem to be in demand though. I would suggest we will need to be “overs”. With our likely draft requirement over the next two years, I would suggest a high second this year and a future second to manipulate the points needed to match the Campo boys would be around the mark.

Possibly, but there were also opinions on here to the effect that he was such a required player for us as to be untouchable. You can't say out of one side of your mouth that you wouldn't get a huge offer from another club for a player, only to imply that you wouldn't take a huge offer even if there was one. It's circular logic a best. At any rate, I'd be looking at trading out a few players if it was up to me.

 

[DangerousD]

Who knows.

You certainly don't.

I know that for decades people have been spinning the same excuses you put up for rapist priests, child abusers and domestic violence abusers, the same BS like, it’s all allegations, there’s no proof, let’s see the other side of the story.

But I suppose this is the AFL who allowed Wayne Carey to be a commentator for channel 7 despite sexual assault charges and convictions for assaulting police and allegations of domestic violence

 

[DangerousD]

Even if he was cleared of all allegations he will NOT end up at Carlton (see Ross Lyon), as the Carlton moral police will see to that…

‘He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone’…

Is that a quote to discourage people from taking a stand against domestic violence abusers? Because someone might have stolen a chocolate bar or had a few punch ups when they were young, they are forever unable to criticise people accused of committing domestic violence?

Not recruiting players or staff who have multiple allegations of domestic violence or sex crimes isn’t being the moral police.

 

[Blue1980]

Is that a quote to discourage people from taking a stand against domestic violence abusers? Because someone might have stolen a chocolate bar or had a few punch ups when they were young, they are forever unable to criticise people accused of committing domestic violence?

Not recruiting players or staff who have multiple allegations of domestic violence or sex crimes isn’t being the moral police.

Yes, everything is equally terrible so don’t care about anything seems the gist some people are going for.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I know that for decades people have been spinning the same excuses you put up for rapist priests, child abusers and domestic violence abusers, the same BS like, it’s all allegations, there’s no proof, let’s see the other side of the story.

But I suppose this is the AFL who allowed Wayne Carey to be a commentator for channel 7 despite sexual assault charges and convictions for assaulting police and allegations of domestic violence

No, it's the police and the judicial system.

You've convicted and hung a guy on zero evidence....

A sign of the times sadly.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Problem is that every second week Young would be forced to play on smalls or mediums which he isn’t capable of.

Kemp could be best suited as the interceptor. Not sure where Young fits in, if we bring in Mckay, 2nd ruck? Back up Key defender? Where would that leave jsos and sdurdin?
Big picture small is why is mckay a focus when we need transition players, good kicks, runners and ball carriers. Smells of another slow, injury prone recruit. I would be eager to hear Austin's rationale

 

[Coops93]

I've held off being directly critical of our small forwards because there seemed to be some hype around them and I decided I must be missing something so didn't "out" myself, but I've not seen a whole lot in any of them.

-Motlop to me seems slowish for a SF and not overly quick in hand to foot. Also seems immensely 1 footed which really doesn't help for quick snaps for goals off a crumb.
-I like Owies endeavour and hard work, but he's not moving the needle at all in many forwardlines - great depth SF but isn't starter quality imo.
-Durdin to me has the most promise of all of them in my eyes but just isn't in the game enough. He's still developing in the role though being a midfielder most of his life until the last yr or 2 in the junior system so I have doubts about his ceiling in the position, I think he often looks better when getting the ball up field.
-Honey seemed to get people up and about a bit when playing the 2s but I've never seen anything at AFL level to get me excited.

Am I missing something here with our smalls?

 

[Kruezing]

I've held off being directly critical of our small forwards because there seemed to be some hype around them and I decided I must be missing something so didn't "out" myself, but I've not seen a whole lot in any of them.

-Motlop to me seems slowish for a SF and not overly quick in hand to foot. Also seems immensely 1 footed which really doesn't help for quick snaps for goals off a crumb.
-I like Owies endeavour and hard work, but he's not moving the needle at all in many forwardlines - great depth SF but isn't starter quality imo.
-Durdin to me has the most promise of all of them in my eyes but just isn't in the game enough. He's still developing in the role though being a midfielder most of his life until the last yr or 2 in the junior system so I have doubts about his ceiling in the position, I think he often looks better when getting the ball up field.
-Honey seemed to get people up and about a bit when playing the 2s but I've never seen anything at AFL level to get me excited.

Am I missing something here with our smalls?

The only thing missing is them whenever we go forward …

 

[Juddernaut08]

I've held off being directly critical of our small forwards because there seemed to be some hype around them and I decided I must be missing something so didn't "out" myself, but I've not seen a whole lot in any of them.

-Motlop to me seems slowish for a SF and not overly quick in hand to foot. Also seems immensely 1 footed which really doesn't help for quick snaps for goals off a crumb.
-I like Owies endeavour and hard work, but he's not moving the needle at all in many forwardlines - great depth SF but isn't starter quality imo.
-Durdin to me has the most promise of all of them in my eyes but just isn't in the game enough. He's still developing in the role though being a midfielder most of his life until the last yr or 2 in the junior system so I have doubts about his ceiling in the position, I think he often looks better when getting the ball up field.
-Honey seemed to get people up and about a bit when playing the 2s but I've never seen anything at AFL level to get me excited.

Am I missing something here with our smalls?

Owies seems to read the play the best. Knows how to present in dangerous positions. He just lacks the pace that the others have, so he sometimes gets spoiled if the pass isn't a bullet. With Owies missing we really don't capitalise well on the leading space that McKay and Curnow create with their presence.

Durdin and Motlop need to use it better, but this is also a lot about system. See how many goals small forwards in other teams seem to score, just by leading into the space created?

 

[Juddernaut08]

FWIW I think Voss wants us to be 'predictable' in a sense. He actually wants us targeting Harry and Charlie all the time, with the idea that it'll make it easier for the smalls to read. Problem is, it makes it more predictable for the opposition too.

Surely we need to play smarter with a better system that creates marks from leads.

 

[Coops93]

I agree with both those points, however I also believe 2 things can be true. While yes we are predictable and our inside 50s are putrid, the smalls also aren't overly threatening or dangerous when the ball is on the ground. I'm sure I heard or read a stat that we're among the worst 2 or 3 teams in the league for holding the ball inside 50 after going in, so they aren't even providing pressure. It passes the eye test, you can tell by watching the balls seems to come out very easy without needing stats to confirm it.

Agree on Owies, if he had the pace and nip of Durdin he'd be a very good SF but unfortunately while he can find space or get in position, like you say, he's slow enough defenders can recover or shut him down so things need to be just right for him to impact.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Problem is that every second week Young would be forced to play on smalls or mediums which he isn’t capable of.

I would play Young as the third forward/ Chop out ruck.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Kemp could be best suited as the interceptor. Not sure where Young fits in, if we bring in Mckay, 2nd ruck? Back up Key defender? Where would that leave jsos and sdurdin?
Big picture small is why is mckay a focus when we need transition players, good kicks, runners and ball carriers. Smells of another slow, injury prone recruit. I would be eager to hear Austin's rationale

McKay in as the KPD anchor, Weiters and Young share the second KPD and intercept roles depending on matchups and handoffs. Durdin still depth (for McKay) and Kemp depth for Young.

Not necessarily any change for JSOS unless we decide to squeeze in Kemp as the 7th defender. If that happens, then you're right that Young could be used for ruck relief. That might mean JSOS gets pushed into the reserves in favour of a more attacking third tall forward (Lemmey, Martin* or a draftee).

Don't mind us doing it as long as McKay comes as a free agent (no giving up picks), and we offload McGovern for something that in turn helps us recruit some speed/skill in the front half.

 

[Markyd]

I hope Honey watched Beau McCreery yesterday for Collingwood, and took notes. He has all the attributes of McCreery with his size and speed, just needs to bring similar effort.

Everyone kisses Nick Daicos on the ass but I thought McCreery was just as important in that come from behind win.

 

[Keyza]

John Ralph just on Fox Footy saying if Ben McKay moved to us, what would we have to give up. 3 picks including a 1st rounder suggested. I don't think he's that good?

We give up nothing, he is a free agent.
I thought I heard him say that North would get a first round compo pick, giving them picks 1 and 2 if they finish bottom.
Surely Ben would not be worth that compo, he has hardly played and I doubt he would be offered that much money to warrant such a high compo pick.

 

[Revenant1995]

We give up nothing, he is a free agent.
I thought I heard him say that North would get a first round compo pick, giving them picks 1 and 2 if they finish bottom.
Surely Ben would not be worth that compo, he has hardly played and I doubt he would be offered that much money to warrant such a high compo pick.

AFL makey-uppey rules will mean Norf would be generously compensated (if B.McKay was to leave)...

 

[Accidental genius]

I hope Honey watched Beau McCreery yesterday for Collingwood, and took notes. He has all the attributes of McCreery with his size and speed, just needs to bring similar effort.

Everyone kisses Nick Daicos on the ass but I thought McCreery was just as important in that come from behind win.

Absolutely agree that mcreary was super important in the filths win. one of the smartest players going round imo.

I know what you mean honey has the athletism but without the smarts he is literally light years away from anything that mcreary produces.

 

[HarryFlashman]

I see two avenues to fix our lack of pace in the starting side.

1. We commit to the slower midfield set-up (Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh) and recruit fast half forward types who can play short bursts in the middle (ie. Shai Bolton, Josh Rachele, Gryan Miers, Zac Bailey, Archie Perkins etc. - not those specific players, but those types). Ideally we'd want two of them, and they'd replace Fisher and (probably) Owies in the starting lineup. Kennedy and Cripps get some more forward time, Cerra and Hewett get some more half back time, we rotate the two half forwards as well as Doc (from HB) through the middle to give us a bit of dash.

Probably need to try and trade out future first for a late first this year, give us two picks inside the top 20 to target these types.

2. We relent on the slow midfield preference, trade someone who has value (ie. Kennedy), and recruit a quick dedicated midfielder. Probably still need a quick HFF/mid as well to improve the connection. Cripps plays pretty much pure midfield, Walsh and Cerra rotate as the third mid, and the recruited pacy midfielder plays as much as possible in there. Hewett off the bench as a rotation for Cripps and probably a bit of HB time.

Assuming Kennedy gets us a second rounder, we could just go to the draft with our first plus that pick, and hope to find one of the types we need in the second round. Would prefer to try and package up our future first with the Kennedy pick to get us into the top 12 or so spots though, could get a really good talent there (in addition to our natural first which would be around the same mark).

HFF/mid - Nate Caddy, Koltyn Tholstrup, Nick Watson, Zane Duursma, Jack Delean, Sam Frangalas
Mids - Cooper Simpson, Colby McKercher, Will Lorenz, Riley Hardeman, Darcy Wilson
HBF - Nathan Philactides (has the profile of a potential midfielder)
Pipe dream (gone before we pick) - Harley Reid, Ashton Moir

Not against looking at a Schultz (Fre) or Farrell (PA) as a cheaper mature trade-in. But this draft is our friend, it's loaded with mid/fwd types and plenty of them appear to have good disposal and a bit of dash.

U missed a 3rd option
3. Play the burst mid fielder who had 40 touches in the 2s last week and see if it helps. Cheaper, easier & quicker option to possibly fix the problem

 

[CJMB]

We give up nothing, he is a free agent.
I thought I heard him say that North would get a first round compo pick, giving them picks 1 and 2 if they finish bottom.
Surely Ben would not be worth that compo, he has hardly played and I doubt he would be offered that much money to warrant such a high compo pick.

He’s a restricted free agent, so north could theoretically match if they think they could do better in a trade.

He’d have to be offered a pretty sizeable contract to be guaranteed the band 1 pick, in years and/or dollars, and to be honest I’ve got very little interest in us making that kind of deal for a bloke who’s seemingly injured so often.

Let’s try and target some durable players, and ideally some that have less of a risk of being a salary cap burden in a couple of years if it doesn’t quite work out.