Yep. His hands and acceleration, Cuningham's ground level work and Martin returning to earth from whatever planet he has been on, has completely transformed our ball movement.
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Never thought I'd say this after given the first 19 rounds of this season, but we need to re-sign Paddy Dow. At worst he is cover for the inevitable midfield injuries we get.
Plus Doch, Hewett and Cripps aren't young any more, and apart from Caroll we don't have any developing inside / outside mids.
Plus Doch, Hewett and Cripps aren't young any more, and apart from Caroll we don't have any developing inside / outside mids.
Yes please kid is going to be a gun
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I'm really excited to have a list where we're actively trying to keep everyone and prevent them from leaving (including those many had written off - Dow/Fisher/Martin/Fogarty/Cunners etc.)
This is a great contrast to years gone, where I was left wondering how we could possibly field 22 the following year when 15+ should have been delisted.
This is a great contrast to years gone, where I was left wondering how we could possibly field 22 the following year when 15+ should have been delisted.
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I like the fact that we aren't struggling to fill up the final spots on our list but I'm not entirely confident that the details fit the bigger picture. We still need room to move in trading and draft scenarios, particularly the latter in the short term.
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Yeah Dow is a point of difference, is at a good age, and has shown that he belongs at the top level.
His ability to win the clearance and/or burst away to get a deep entry i50 is so valuable. Got a pretty long kick and ok goal sense too so if he needs to spend time at HFF it's possible too.
I'm not sure that he's best 22 if all fit, but he's certainly in the best 30, and he's still improving.
His ability to win the clearance and/or burst away to get a deep entry i50 is so valuable. Got a pretty long kick and ok goal sense too so if he needs to spend time at HFF it's possible too.
I'm not sure that he's best 22 if all fit, but he's certainly in the best 30, and he's still improving.
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Is that because you believe that Voss was outclassed on the weekend and that our brand of football is not sustainable ,(as you posted early on Saturday)
How many wins do we need for you to believe that what we are doing is sustainable?
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Dow is 25 Yrs old....Walsh , Hollands r more in the developing age bracket
Dow is 23
As I’ve previously stated on a few occasions before, our pure midfield depth atm is absolutely ordinary, Dow is miles ahead of anyone we currently have coming up/through in our reserves team…
There isn’t any clear standouts that you can see/say yeah we’ve got a couple of young good ones coming through here, they’re future proper midfield quality….
Yes but things can change.
Dow only needed proper game time, a prolonged chance of full time games to help him find his feet and give us a proper opportunity to understand how far his development has progressed off the back of his incredible reserves form…
like a few others on here i think he deserved these full games earlier in/during the season when there was ample opportunity to give him the chance to when others were really struggling with injury and poor form…
Thank **** he has had the opportunity to get a run at it, at least Paddy, the club, us supporters and the wider AFL community have a much clearer understanding of his ability, with more games he now plays you’d imagine the upside he still has within his overall game…
The kid has developed and improved a great deal in the last two seasons, particularly this year off the back of hard work, dedicated to learn & improve, willing to do this through the reserves system with a wonderful attitude to except everything as it is and along the way…
The club nearly stuffed up any chance of knowing exactly what we had by their choices of not playing him when the could have, it’s nearly by default that they got lucky and so now here we are…
like a few others on here i think he deserved these full games earlier in/during the season when there was ample opportunity to give him the chance to when others were really struggling with injury and poor form…
Thank **** he has had the opportunity to get a run at it, at least Paddy, the club, us supporters and the wider AFL community have a much clearer understanding of his ability, with more games he now plays you’d imagine the upside he still has within his overall game…
The kid has developed and improved a great deal in the last two seasons, particularly this year off the back of hard work, dedicated to learn & improve, willing to do this through the reserves system with a wonderful attitude to except everything as it is and along the way…
The club nearly stuffed up any chance of knowing exactly what we had by their choices of not playing him when the could have, it’s nearly by default that they got lucky and so now here we are…
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Lucky we are starting to be consistently lucky after many years of seemingly being unlucky.
But I agree that Dow has shown a great attitude and hard work. I always knew he would be a good player from his draft year but maybe got easy games too early. Voss just made him really earn it and hopefully now he can see luck generally comes hand in hand with hard work and a good attitude.
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Seems to be the case across the comp, doesn't it? More and more midfield draftees are pretty much ready to step in and contribute at AFL level. You don't see elite kids building in the reserves for 3+ years. If you keep them down that long, you run the risk of them jumping ship.
Did anyone else notice the marks he’s taken? All been clean, 1 grab, out in front or at full extension. Also sat under an absolute hospital ball & took it clean. He has literally improved every game, won the ball when we needed it & got better when the heats on. You’ve got rocks in your head if u don’t believe he will be even more damaging with Cerra & Walsh around him. Bloke has been under insane pressure- every game has been do or die for his career of late, come finals we need players who thrive under pressure & can will themselves to find the ball. Crippa, Walsh, Cerra, Dow extracting the ball from the middle and driving deep forward we can score heavily & quickly, we will need that. Best way to kill opposition momentum is winning centre clearance & not let them kick multiple goals in a row.
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Hope you aren't involved in anything to do with the publication of history books.
History is always written by the winners, currently we are winning - so we can make it up as we go
Yes you’re right that does happen a fair bit, for different reasons and circumstances most to all younger players wish/want to play seniors…
My post in Dow’s case i see as different to most others in circumstances i just believe he should have been given a better opportunity when there was a clear case for him to be given midfield games…
You may not agree, like many others have throughout the year but this is something I’ve stated during the year, just glad he has given another opportunity…
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I never said anything about Voss being outclassed, that's coming from your imagination. I'm of the belief that you can only go as far as your list lets you. Like I said in a follow up post, we arguably need a side that can consistently go up a gear while we're already in the context. We might be winning them at the moment but I can't be the only one who has noticed that it's been progressively tougher in recent weeks.
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Absolutely - not questioning you at all. Just framing the comment about our lack of up-and-coming mids a bit with what I see as the modern trend - most mids at reserves level tend to be aging players squeezed from the seniors or later draft picks fighting for their career. The top shelf kids are straight into the seniors ASAP. Gives a bit of peace of mind over our situation - odds are we fill out the midfield spots in the reserves with guys like Carroll and the Irish lads, and when it comes time that we need an elite prospect we'll just take on in the draft and plug them straight into the starting 22.
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If Dow decides he wants to move on...
Could we make the cap room for a Bailey Smith?
Apparently open to moving on and OOC next year, if he nominated us and we played hard ball...
A F1 + Player or Change could get it done...
Midfield Consisting of below would be pretty special...
Inside - Cripps, Kennedy & Hewett
Balanced - Cerra, Walsh, Smith & Docherty
Outside - Acres, Cottrell, Hollands & Binns
Could we make the cap room for a Bailey Smith?
Apparently open to moving on and OOC next year, if he nominated us and we played hard ball...
A F1 + Player or Change could get it done...
Midfield Consisting of below would be pretty special...
Inside - Cripps, Kennedy & Hewett
Balanced - Cerra, Walsh, Smith & Docherty
Outside - Acres, Cottrell, Hollands & Binns
Nope- we would be paying for his hair & profile.
Good player but not worth the $ or draft capital it would cost us. Paying a very high cost for another winger, he’s not a top line mid.
Given Acres is killing it + Holland & Binns he not what we would be throwing capital at.
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Right now on displayed form in AFL - Dow isn't a ground ball getter - he is more a reciever and he isnt a defensive stopper - if he fixes these issues he is starting player - because he is evasive in congestion - that is a rare attribute. I see his strengths as an attacking mid - disagree that he is up against Cripps/Hewett/Kennedy as far as hard ball gets goes role goes- more Cerra/Walsh. Unfair comparisons maybe - Dow is best being Dow and just improve the get ball aspect of his game as well as providing more grunt around contests - no doubt he is much improved and hope he stays.
List management has to have a long hard look at Philp and Carroll as far as adding to midfield depth goes...Philpy hasnt had the best of runs with injury and Carroll is in similar place this year. Fisher is way behind Dow as a mid - but is showing good signs in the back six mix. He is still contracted. Don't know how many ready to go next man up smaller backs are required with Boyd/Cowan developing nicely.
I think the Club is still lacking a genuine second tall/big defender - Young fell in a heap this year and Durdin is as unreliable with his fitness as anyone.
Up front everything looks good until it doesn't, with Martin and Cuningham always suspect regarding injury - Martin in particular is a rare player- when fit and firing one of the best HFF in the game has been instrumental in a number of wins since he made his way back and playing his best footabll sicne joining Carlton. Jack ( still unsigned) is the only genuine third tall ( TDK resting forward aside) - but lacks the leg speed to be scary good. I think this is an area the Club will be looking to shore up - especially if Jack decides to go - which I doubt happens.
Another 'Acres find' in any of the positions mentioned is what I'd like to see Austin find - doubt that the Club is anythign but a 'good place' to consider from any player in the competition these days. Speaking of Acres - love him in Blue.
List management has to have a long hard look at Philp and Carroll as far as adding to midfield depth goes...Philpy hasnt had the best of runs with injury and Carroll is in similar place this year. Fisher is way behind Dow as a mid - but is showing good signs in the back six mix. He is still contracted. Don't know how many ready to go next man up smaller backs are required with Boyd/Cowan developing nicely.
I think the Club is still lacking a genuine second tall/big defender - Young fell in a heap this year and Durdin is as unreliable with his fitness as anyone.
Up front everything looks good until it doesn't, with Martin and Cuningham always suspect regarding injury - Martin in particular is a rare player- when fit and firing one of the best HFF in the game has been instrumental in a number of wins since he made his way back and playing his best footabll sicne joining Carlton. Jack ( still unsigned) is the only genuine third tall ( TDK resting forward aside) - but lacks the leg speed to be scary good. I think this is an area the Club will be looking to shore up - especially if Jack decides to go - which I doubt happens.
Another 'Acres find' in any of the positions mentioned is what I'd like to see Austin find - doubt that the Club is anythign but a 'good place' to consider from any player in the competition these days. Speaking of Acres - love him in Blue.
This is going to be tough, for 2 reasons.
Freo spectacularly botched their List Management, allowing Acres to leave very cheaply, AND, wingmen are much easier to find cheaply than the 2 positions we really now need to find players (half forward and key back).
100%, u can either grow your own or take a punt on a very broken model for cheap (still shits me when Jamie Elliot was proper broken & was free to a good home).
Think we need to grow our own for both positions - pity we will finish to high to take Caddy
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