List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[The Bighouse]

paddy can't get a game - bit of a difference..........

I see more similarities. Drafted by SOS, traded for by SOS. This is a thread about SOS isn’t it..?

 

[thylacine60]

I see more similarities. Drafted by SOS, traded for by SOS. This is a thread about SOS isn’t it..?

no! it's the supplementary depth thread..........

 

[JuddgementDay]

We are getting close to an actual game - yes, pre-season, but I'll take it

I think our list is in great shape and our next level is adding defensive layers to our game plans...

But, in terms of list, it would be great to see everything click

We have the stars: Crippa, Walsh, Harry, CC, Weiters, Saad, Doch
I would love to see these guys have an injury free year: Williams, McGov, Martin

That's 10 players already
Add Hewett and Cerra, that's 12!

So - the remaining players can be added to this core dozen

As big Kev said - I'm excited!

Bring on 2023 and the 17th cup

 

[thylacine60]

there's about forty billion no reason why we can't win the premiership this year.........

 

[katmanblue]

Maybe I am naive, but SOS is a pure Carlton lover/supporter, think he does things against every other team in the league before he would do that to Carlton. Many of those he had grievances with have since left the club too. Jsos also wouldn’t get the love at another club from fans like he does here.
Raiding GWS/GCS, well all the teams do that, I think it is harder to pluck players from a top 6 club to get them to play for the Saints

Hell hath no fury like a Silvagni scorned.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I see more similarities. Drafted by SOS, traded for by SOS. This is a thread about SOS isn’t it..?

Word has it he's looking to redraft Finbar

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I would love to see these guys have an injury year: Williams, McGov, Martin

Ahhhh so you're the curser we have been looking for. Please no more injuries to these 3!

 

[teddy-hopkins]

SOS' list management and strategy was top shelf, it was very good. His recruiting was above average without being out of this world but then again recruiting was more of a team thing and he was more list manger than recruiter. Saints will do well having someone there to bring strategy and reign in contracts. Do saints need rebuilding or are they half way through a rebuild? They are a different story aren't they?

Saints had a big push when they got Ryder, Hanneberry, Hill, Butler, etc. in one hit. It didn't work out and now their salary cap is a mess and the team is miles off a premiership.

Not a good spot to be in when you're a list manager and the exact opposite to what he handed to Austin.

SOS is going to have to cut heavily for a couple of years at least I think before he can free up cap space to have another crack.

Unfortunately I think he is a massive acquisition for the Aints - much bigger than Ross.

 

[Coona Blues]

Saints had a big push when they got Ryder, Hanneberry, Hill, Butler, etc. in one hit. It didn't work out and now their salary cap is a mess and the team is miles off a premiership.

Not a good spot to be in when you're a list manager and the exact opposite to what he handed to Austin.

SOS is going to have to cut heavily for a couple of years at least I think before he can free up cap space to have another crack.

Unfortunately I think he is a massive acquisition for the Aints - much bigger than Ross.

Your assessment of the St. Kilda list could not be further from the mark. In the last couple of years they have loaded up on some very good youngsters. They have had a series of questionable senior coaches and very poor management. Their assistant coaches have arguably been the weakest group for a few years.

SOS does not have much to do. Only journeyman ruck depth Tom Campbell is over 30. They did overinvest in experience for a while, but have drafted extremely well. Last year’s NGA boys Windhager and Owens have class, fortitude and workrate. They have been light on for KPP depth which is the go slow. King is quality if he can stay on the park. They have some top notch 3rd talls masquerading as KPP who will be critical. Phillipou will be a star (his ceiling is Fyfe who can kick), Van Es a decent or better KPD kid, Keeler if can be harnessed is as good a ruck/forward as there was available in the draft. Young Hotton is a current LTI, but is exactly the pace and X factor they need to add to the group of very solid mids.

Marshall is a quality ruck, Gresham realised his potential last year, Sinclair a revelation, Steele, the skipper is a quality midfield bull. Clark and Coffield are highly rated youngsters plagued by injury. They are fragile forward, but with an ounce of luck, there is little to do to complete the list.

They have a little dead wood imported as depth, but Ryder and Haneberry are already gone. They have put together a balanced young group who could easily elevate quickly with a more competent coaching group.

Some of our supporter group are too arrogant and unfamiliar with the riches on other lists. SOS has inherited a dream job, there is massive potential to turn things around quickly. I am no fan of the Saints, underestimate their list at your peril.

 

[thylacine60]

which board do I go to read a coona style assessment of us please?

 

[marcmurphy3]

Your assessment of the St. Kilda list could not be further from the mark. In the last couple of years they have loaded up on some very good youngsters. They have had a series of questionable senior coaches and very poor management. Their assistant coaches have arguably been the weakest group for a few years.

SOS does not have much to do. Only journeyman ruck depth Tom Campbell is over 30. They did overinvest in experience for a while, but have drafted extremely well. Last year’s NGA boys Windhager and Owens have class, fortitude and workrate. They have been light on for KPP depth which is the go slow. King is quality if he can stay on the park. They have some top notch 3rd talls masquerading as KPP who will be critical. Phillipou will be a star (his ceiling is Fyfe who can kick), Van Es a decent or better KPD kid, Keeler if can be harnessed is as good a ruck/forward as there was available in the draft. Young Hotton is a current LTI, but is exactly the pace and X factor they need to add to the group of very solid mids.

Marshall is a quality ruck, Gresham realised his potential last year, Sinclair a revelation, Steele, the skipper is a quality midfield bull. Clark and Coffield are highly rated youngsters plagued by injury. They are fragile forward, but with an ounce of luck, there is little to do to complete the list.

They have a little dead wood imported as depth, but Ryder and Haneberry are already gone. They have put together a balanced young group who could easily elevate quickly with a more competent coaching group.

Some of our supporter group are too arrogant and unfamiliar with the riches on other lists. SOS has inherited a dream job, there is massive potential to turn things around quickly. I am no fan of the Saints, underestimate their list at your peril.

I think the Saints issue as has been heavily reported is their lack of top end talent to be able to truly contend. I think you are overrating them slightly but agree this isn't a knockdown rebuild job like SOS had to do with us. They have the talent to be in the 7-12 range and competitive with most teams but would be aiming higher than that. Will be interesting to see how SOS goes about achieving it. I suspect he will cut some deadwood, hit the draft for the next few years while clearing cap space and then look to attack the free agency market.

 

[Coona Blues]

which board do I go to read a coona style assessment of us please?

Thought I’d done it a few times here already. Can’t offer an unbiased one though.

If plans come to fruition may be some good content in near future (hopeful, not promising)

 

[thylacine60]

my point was I'm not sure you would read such a positive assessment of our group on another club's board..........

 

[Coona Blues]

my point was I'm not sure you would read such a positive assessment of our group on another club's board..........

Yeah, was more pragmatic. Poster was suggesting SOS was going to be a rebuilding messiah. Was off mark. Plenty of good kids recruited recently. Good age profile. List balance issues largely already largely sorted. Perspective. Don’t expect them to contend for a while and injury to King will hurt and their early season may be tough. The bones are there.

 

[thylacine60]

sos won't be having any impact this year ........... except for his first comment to stocker "so...........we meet again..........." to which stocker will respond "you!"

 

[katmanblue]

which board do I go to read a coona style assessment of us please?

You’re on it.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I'll be honest, not unhappy to lose TDK if he doesn't show more consistency, and yes mongrel in 2023.

It seems obvious from an non insider perspective that Tommy and his management are looking for a significant pay increase, i hope we don't give him one if he doesn't show somewhat more desire and consistency in 2023 (this may sound harsh, but I am not sure if TDK's workrate/efforts and desire around the ground are as good/professional as they could be)

 

[thylacine60]

I'll be honest, not unhappy to lose TDK if he doesn't show more consistency, and yes mongrel in 2023.

It seems obvious from an non insider perspective that Tommy and his management are looking for a significant pay increase, i hope we don't give him one if he doesn't show somewhat more desire and consistency in 2023 (this may sound harsh, but I am not sure if TDK's workrate/efforts and desire around the ground are as good/professional as they could be)

how can it "seem obvious"?

 

[Coona Blues]

I'll be honest, not unhappy to lose TDK if he doesn't show more consistency, and yes mongrel in 2023.

It seems obvious from an non insider perspective that Tommy and his management are looking for a significant pay increase, i hope we don't give him one if he doesn't show somewhat more desire and consistency in 2023 (this may sound harsh, but I am not sure if TDK's workrate/efforts and desire around the ground are as good/professional as they could be)

Other than being slow to mature and buying in to some press/hype wanting to take mark of the year, TDK is fine.

He has had very limited preparation, season by season and struggled physically as the season rolled on after being asked to shoulder a big responsibility. I have no issue with “desire and consistency”. Unfortunately he is slow burn and still a couple of years away from peak. Our list management team will need to asses current and projected value along with list balance when calculating our salary offers.

The health and form of his partner Pitto will impact decisions as will the trajectory of Mirkov who is too often forgotten in our ruck futures discussions.

I have real fears over his future commitment. Geelong and others will come at him. The mischievous BS from the likes of Cornes doesn’t help. He is currently a $400k per season player at best. We will not blow the salary cap unnecessarily. I like to think Tom is invested in us and just gaming the system to obtain a the best deal he can (hopefully mindful of the financial sacrifice of others recently)

 

[thylacine60]

I have real fears over his future commitment. Geelong and others will come at him. The mischievous BS from the likes of Cornes doesn’t help. He is currently a $400k per season player at best. We will not blow the salary cap unnecessarily. I like to think Tom is invested in us and just gaming the system to obtain a the best deal he can (hopefully mindful of the financial sacrifice of others recently)

have I missed something?

 

[Coona Blues]

have I missed something?

Come on! Turn of phrase. He has not signed leading in to the season. The best deal relates to dollars and opportunity. He will want to try to establish himself as our number one ruck to enhance contract. Pitto’s health would potentially impact the offer, etc, etc. The Cats absolutely will be courting him, their developing rucks are kids and years away from the No. 1 ruck discussion and the incumbent pair/trio are 32. He was welcomed in to some of their post flag celebrations etc etc. He is a coastal boy who loves surfing. It is not conjecture. If he manages to usurp Pitto as no. 1 and our offer is comparable to the Cats, loyalty and mateship hopefully keeps us ahead of the game, but he is not getting more than Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay etc in a bidding war.

 

[thylacine60]

christ, looks like he's out the door - who knew?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Imo St Kilda is the most interesting side in the competition. They seem very solid all over the ground without being great. I can’t wait to see what they do over the next few years. A true middle of the road list who has a pretty good age demographic but missing a couple of stars players imo. Not much would have to go right or wrong for them to be a top 4 or bottom 4 side in a few years. Ross and SOS will probably be remembered/rated for what they do over the next few years.

 

[thylacine60]

just for those getting excited over the st kilda list and the return of the messiah - here's who he had last time he was vying for a flag - and failing.....

St Kilda Playing List for 2010 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Your assessment of the St. Kilda list could not be further from the mark. In the last couple of years they have loaded up on some very good youngsters. They have had a series of questionable senior coaches and very poor management. Their assistant coaches have arguably been the weakest group for a few years.

SOS does not have much to do. Only journeyman ruck depth Tom Campbell is over 30. They did overinvest in experience for a while, but have drafted extremely well. Last year’s NGA boys Windhager and Owens have class, fortitude and workrate. They have been light on for KPP depth which is the go slow. King is quality if he can stay on the park. They have some top notch 3rd talls masquerading as KPP who will be critical. Phillipou will be a star (his ceiling is Fyfe who can kick), Van Es a decent or better KPD kid, Keeler if can be harnessed is as good a ruck/forward as there was available in the draft. Young Hotton is a current LTI, but is exactly the pace and X factor they need to add to the group of very solid mids.

Marshall is a quality ruck, Gresham realised his potential last year, Sinclair a revelation, Steele, the skipper is a quality midfield bull. Clark and Coffield are highly rated youngsters plagued by injury. They are fragile forward, but with an ounce of luck, there is little to do to complete the list.

They have a little dead wood imported as depth, but Ryder and Haneberry are already gone. They have put together a balanced young group who could easily elevate quickly with a more competent coaching group.

Some of our supporter group are too arrogant and unfamiliar with the riches on other lists. SOS has inherited a dream job, there is massive potential to turn things around quickly. I am no fan of the Saints, underestimate their list at your peril.

Don't really want to argue too much about st kilda but 100% disagree. Their list is a mess. Steel, Sinclair and King when fit. The rest are battlers.