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I did, it was a pretty scrappy and ordinary affair. Not a heap of takeaways other than Harley Reid is a complete freak.
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The conditions were ghastly, but did any medium X-Factor forwards display anything?
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Nick Watson and Tholstrup were the best of the players who can play in that position (However, Watson is very very short). They both shifted positions a few times and only played 3/4 due to planned player rotations.
Moir, Delean, Duursma and Caddy were all quite ordinary who are the hyped X-Factor forwards in the draft. A few outside runners and good ball users in McKercher, Wilson and Philactides stuck out more than anything, but that was mainly due to the terrible conditions imo.
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I was looking for Watson, Caddy (chunky man child types that typically dominate at this level), didn't see Duursma at all.
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Yeah I don't like the look of Caddy. I think my favourite is Moir purely for potential, has a phenomenal athletic profile and is built really well too, looks like a less contested Heeney.
Still think outside of Reid, Watson is comfortably the best player in the draft of any non KPP players. He just makes things happen every time he gets the ball. Reminds me of a mix of Butters and Pickett.
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is this true.....dow was put up for trade last year, no other AFL club were interested in him?
Salary was too high apparently.
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The frustrating thing for me is the lack of currency the guys on the fringe or in the seconds have.
The lack of recent exposure for Dow and Kemp is terrible for on sale value, what we got for SPS, Setters and Stocker was also poor and will really hurt us moving forward.
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Yep, and this is a bit of an issue. Say those guys request trades at the end of the year, and we couldn’t blame them for that.. we will get nothing for them. Makes it real tricky to then move on the injury prone guys as well. We would be rolling the dice with late lottery picks in the draft just to fill a roster. We’ve backed ourselves into a bit of a corner here. People call for us to cut the injury prone guys like Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Philp etc.. but I just don’t see how we can without gutting the list and filling with token picks.
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I think he's too heavy for how he wants to play in either ruck or key position, and this is despite him looking somewhat slimmed down this season. Hurts him in terms of recovering from the ruck contest consistently, and getting around the ground through the game. That's the first thing I'd change.
The rest is more intense 1 on 1 coaching, but I'm not sure Kreuzer is really the guy for that. He was an endurance freak who thrived on sheer work rate and some limited nuance about the tap, so he probably manages to do little more than reinforce TDK's understanding of midfield structures and encourages him to smash in and through when the tap isn't hit to clear advantage.
As for the examples of elite rucks, Gawn was probably good to go at 21 but kept smoking, and was certainly good enough at 23. English was good to go at 21, but was misused for a stretch. Grundy was good to go day 1 of walking into Collingwood, much like Kreuzer for us.
There's plenty of examples of rucks who take no time at all, more still if you show a preparedness if you build a system that maximises their strengths and weaknesses. If there's a dominant ruck at an AFL stoppage, the other team is going to just play off them instead, so really it's not as much about tapwork as people like to think, it's more about the ability to put body or zonal pressure to prevent that free use and receive of the tap.
Personally I want to do away with the bounce and jumping at the centre circle too, because I think that completely revitalises and revolutionises the ruck position to something that we've lost a lot of: genuinely directed tap work, and around the ground work from most ruckmen. Right now if you're not 208+ or don't have an elite leap at 198+, you can't do much of anything at the centre bounce, and you're often left with restricted ability as a marking target as the game wears on.
They're working so hard to leap over each other it's killing their knees. Needs to be steered back to the fundamentals of play now, and we can witness the high leaping at contests instead, where at least any effort is far more likely to result in a cushioned and controlled fall.
I have highlighted this in many off-seasons, including our most recent one - but I still would have retained them. What I would have done differently is shed ourselves of Plowman, Pittonet, Cottrell, and one of Newman and Fisher, using that list space to improve our positional speed and output when detracting from our best 25 or so players, and our depth for the rest.
Wasn't exactly keen on retaining Owies either, as he represented the other most obvious player to move on from in order to improve our forward unit.
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Loved your whole post on it but this especially. The best rucks are influential in the usually statless acts immediately after the tap. So valuable.
Philactides is the one I'm keen on....there's been some great feedback on him in the draft thread on the main board.
Not only does he have a cool name, but an bona fide athlete with pace to burn. Currently playing across half back for the Oakleigh Chargers, but there's been suggestions they may play him further up the ground. Would potentially be in our draft range as well.
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He is a great type of player very underrated
That's the way of the AFL now.
We got Acres, a clear best 18 player in a team that won a final for a future 3rd round pick.
I‘d keep Dow & Philp another season , assess astutely before we discard more high draft picks.
Setterfield, Stocker and Phillips to a lesser extent, are trades or deletions gone wrong.
They could have been solid depth players, in the very least.
Setterfield, Stocker and Phillips to a lesser extent, are trades or deletions gone wrong.
They could have been solid depth players, in the very least.
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He's a good half back from what I've seen but I think we'll be targeting midfielders and half forwards this year. The two Camporeale boys play wing and half back and we've got Boyd and Cowan in the works too so I think we'll be well stocked for half backs for a while.
Please trade or delist these players:
Fogarty (shit)
Plowman (shit)
E.Curnow (can't kick, too slow, too many inside midfielders)
Cuningham (injury prone)
Silvagni (too slow for the modern game and we have too many slow players)
Kennedy or Hewett (we have too many inside slow midfielders)
Marchbank (injury prone)
Williams (injury prone)
McGovern (injury prone)
Martin (injury prone)
Cerra (not a match winner - C+ grade midfielder - takes up too much salary cap)
Kennedy or Hewett (we have too many inside slow midfielders)
Look at the players we traded in. Our list management have done poorly on these trades. We will free up a lot of salary cap space by getting rid of those injury prone players.
Fogarty (shit)
Plowman (shit)
E.Curnow (can't kick, too slow, too many inside midfielders)
Cuningham (injury prone)
Silvagni (too slow for the modern game and we have too many slow players)
Kennedy or Hewett (we have too many inside slow midfielders)
Marchbank (injury prone)
Williams (injury prone)
McGovern (injury prone)
Martin (injury prone)
Cerra (not a match winner - C+ grade midfielder - takes up too much salary cap)
Kennedy or Hewett (we have too many inside slow midfielders)
Look at the players we traded in. Our list management have done poorly on these trades. We will free up a lot of salary cap space by getting rid of those injury prone players.
I think we should trade Cripps, like many were saying end of 2021
Walsh, not happy he has missed games
Harry, won't emulate his Coleman
Charlie, would never get back to is best, see what we can get
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Don't stop there. Sakc them all, and all the coaches and medical staff. Then if we don't win every game next year, do it all again.
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I initially thought so but think we have other glaring holes that need fixing before a player like Himmelberg
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We’ve lost 1 game for the year, will be sitting top 4 after the round, but yep I agree, let’s trade or delist at least 38 players and start again. Even better, let’s put them all on the long term injury list and take at least 35 picks in the mid season draft!
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I see 7 list changes from that group. 10 will survive with 2 being rookied.
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Trade or Delist Kennedy and Cerra... Bloody hell we've lost 1 game.
The half forward line fair enough, they've been ordinary for years now, but Cerra and Kennedy just last year were part of the 'Fab 5' who were dominating teams when healthy.
Those two will be with us when Cripps and Hewett eventually finish up as our next generation of midfielders to be the big bodies around Walsh.
The half forward line fair enough, they've been ordinary for years now, but Cerra and Kennedy just last year were part of the 'Fab 5' who were dominating teams when healthy.
Those two will be with us when Cripps and Hewett eventually finish up as our next generation of midfielders to be the big bodies around Walsh.
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Trade Cerra, that got a good laugh out of me.
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