List Mgmt. 2023 List Management

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Kennedy was a Delisted Free Agent, we wouldn't have gotten any compo.
But the midfield is unbalanced.

Kennedy wasn't a free agent though. He was a former delisted free agent after we desisted, then rookie him. He will forever be allowed to walk out for zero compensation after a contract ends IIRC.

Not sure why he'd be the one to go anyway. He stepped up during the second half of his rookie list year, but we didn't trust it would last so we got Hewett as a FA. Kennedy improved even further last season but Hewett had a fantastic year.

I definitely see these two competing for the same spot, or more accurately, competing against Cripps for 2 spots.

I’m pretty sure this was the narrative on this board last season (for LOB too) but we were wrong. Henderson is the example and Moore this year would’ve gained compensation for the Hawks

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

What would I have done?

I would have stuck Walsh at half back and use him as a Daicos-type role. His disposal off half back would have provided us better ability to transition.

I would have dropped Hewett earlier in the year when he was offering very little.

I would have rested Cripps more forward. He doesn't have to attend 100% centre bounces. We are riding him into the ground.

These are just some measures I would have taken.... but what would I know, I just watch this team every week allowing them to continuously let me down week in week out.

That’s sort of my point. You would also play midfielders out of position but just different ones.

 

[jj1978]

I’m happy to try offload 17 players this year.. via trade or delist or retire

1. LOB
2. McGov
3. Dow
4. Fisher
5. Kennedy/Hewett
6. Ed
7. Martin
8. Marchbank
9. Cunners
10. TDK/Pitto
11. Acres
12. Williams
13. Pkowman
14. Honey
15. Philp
16. Mirkov
17. SOS/Kemp

 

[Aphrodite]

17

 

[jj1978]

O

17

aggressive list management in prep for Tassie team.. get some good picks and futures and hope get some value and cap space relief.

 

[ctwenty1]

17

only about 6 of our starting 22...

 

[Bletch]

I’m happy to try offload 17 players this year.. via trade or delist or retire

1. LOB
2. McGov
3. Dow
4. Fisher
5. Kennedy/Hewett
6. Ed
7. Martin
8. Marchbank
9. Cunners
10. TDK/Pitto
11. Acres
12. Williams
13. Pkowman
14. Honey
15. Philp
16. Mirkov
17. SOS/Kemp

How would you propose replacing them? That's 15 players we need to bring in via draft, free agency or trade. Currently we have one 1st round pick, and two 4th round picks.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

The decision to bring in Hewett rather than play Setterfield on the ball is a rather poor one in retrospect.

Setterfield gives you a bit more flexibility with his height and is younger. Even with Hewett improving upon his output at the Swans, his lack of speed was always going to compound an existing weakness.

What's worse is his acquisition has meant we're seemingly committed to playing him irrespective of form, and we're also not targeting other players that might address our lack of speed.

It was a rather poor list management decision given our existing depth and needs elsewhere.

I doubt Setterfield is any quicker than GH.

Hewett's been 'off' since the so called hand injury....

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The decision to bring in Hewett rather than play Setterfield on the ball is a rather poor one in retrospect.

Setterfield gives you a bit more flexibility with his height and is younger. Even with Hewett improving upon his output at the Swans, his lack of speed was always going to compound an existing weakness.

What's worse is his acquisition has meant we're seemingly committed to playing him irrespective of form, and we're also not targeting other players that might address our lack of speed.

It was a rather poor list management decision given our existing depth and needs elsewhere.

Setterfield wasn’t best 22 when we got Hewett though. Kennedy too was out of the side. We thought we were getting a free upgrade. If we had Setter’s instead of Hewett we would still be unbalanced.

For me Cerra and Walsh were the balanced mids we surrounded Cripps with (Cerra a much better version of Setters) and Hewett another bull to help out Cripps and maybe shut down big bodied mids if needed. We obviously needed and still do a more explosive gut running mid in that group.
Our problem is Cripps, Kennedy and Hewett together. It is a little like Wallis at the Dog’s. We may just have to make the tough call and only play two at most

 

[Revenant1995]

It's easy to put a list of players who should go on a discussion forum like this. But the question is, how do you replace them with better quality with most ready to go... LM is about improving the list, not just changing it....

 

[Coops93]

It's easy to put a list of players who should go on a discussion forum like this. But the question is, how do you replace them with better quality with most ready to go... LM is about improving the list, not just changing it....

Good point. Also the discussion that we need to get "these types in". Those types need to be available firstly, and secondly, most of those types are types that every club is after, i.e. skilled. They don't grow on trees hence their value, it's not as easy and dumping a bunch of our list and replacing them with these magically skilled athletes that are supposedly available all over the place.

 

[gbatman]

Would love to go into this game with a forward ruck banging the door down and some small forwards really putting the heat on our current lot in the VFL but that's not happening.

Motlop, Silvagni, Fisher who has already been dropped would not get a look in in a side with strong forwards.

There lies our weak spot. Improve these areas and we get rolling again. Suprised we didn't draft any small forwards this season, had that as a priority with our second or at least third pick. Went hard at wingers and now we have an abundance of them.

Forward ruck. So far DeKoning has teased but he's not up to it, not unless something clicks. Small forwards who can run out games. Motlop has the talent but he's not fit enough. Fisher doesn't tackle. Durdin tries hard but he's up and down, still his output is good. Owies just keeps defying the critics.

At this stage this is where we are at, shut down the two big guys and you do that with flooding, it's easy, and you beat us.

 

[jj1978]

How would you propose replacing them? That's 15 players we need to bring in via draft, free agency or trade. Currently we have one 1st round pick, and two 4th round picks.

Obvious some complexities but not impossible. My view would be to aim to get 6 top 40 draft picks in the door. The rest a couple later kids who fit in a position of need/depth.. so all up maybe about 9 in the draft. The rest some mature unrestricted free agents as (kinda a moneyball, transition period) and of course some players above might be players swaps too. In all fairness for a few in my list we have sufficient data, if Voss is to stay can’t see after 2 years significant change in their outputs… some like JSOS and Kemp better opportunity and money elsewhere so will be natural attrition we can’t avoid.

 

[Rustica]

O

aggressive list management in prep for Tassie team.. get some good picks and futures and hope get some value and cap space relief.

mate the tassie team is 5 years away. We have a 4-5 year window with this team atm, or else its over

 

[Coops93]

All of the players you mentioned from 95 had leadership qualities, name 7 of our current team who show genuine leadership. We are bereft of it, everyone can talk up a good game but when it comes to delivering when things get tough, it's crickets. I agree with you, if it's not coming from the top tier players, then forget it.

To that end I wouldn't mind us going after Deven Robertson from Brisbane. He's reasonably skilled, hits the targets he should, runs both ways, can play inside and outside to a sound degree.

Not exactly an A grade pickup however he offers leadership (was captain of the VFL U18s iirc), would be one of our more skilled players - not elite but hits what he should (so would be top 10 by our standards..) and can play roles forward, back flanks . Can't break into Brisbanes side at the moment despite averaging 27 disposals and a goal a game in the VFL.

I wouldn't break the bank for him, but if he's looking for opportunities and Brisbane are willing to let him go and be reasonable at the trade table a 2nd round pick in the late 20s might get it done.

(moved to this thread as clearly more list management chat than match review chat)

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

To that end I wouldn't mind us going after Deven Robertson from Brisbane. He's reasonably skilled, hits the targets he should, runs both ways, can play inside and outside to a sound degree.

Not exactly an A grade pickup however he offers leadership (was captain of the VFL U18s iirc), would be one of our more skilled players - not elite but hits what he should (so would be top 10 by our standards..) and can play roles forward, back flanks . Can't break into Brisbanes side at the moment despite averaging 27 disposals and a goal a game in the VFL.

I wouldn't break the bank for him, but if he's looking for opportunities and Brisbane are willing to let him go and be reasonable at the trade table a 2nd round pick in the late 20s might get it done.

(moved to this thread as clearly more list management chat than match review chat)

Dev Robertson would be one of the least skilled players in our side and will be heading back West end of year regardless.

Jarrod Berry would be a far better acquisition of players being pushed out of the Lions mid rotation but unnecessary for us either way.

 

[Stickitupthem]

Havent posted since last years debacle but fear this years worse .
I have renewed 3 premium seats and left 5 mins into 3 rd quarter against Aints and haven’t been back .
Not sure what’s required but theirs others getting paid huge amounts of money to get this club right
How long is it going to take to get us a style of play that suits our players and gets consistent wins LEAVE west coast out.
We can draft whoever but at the end of the day a decent game plan that suits our guys is critical or they get Carltonized
This language coming out of our management after these bullshit losses is bewildering to say the least
Give these guys some confidence for f sake .
If players aren’t performing then drop them yes if that means Cripps so be it .
Theirs nothing worse than seeing players left in the firsts that aren’t performing whilst others in the twos are constantly looked over due to bias
Fix the F club

 

[The Bighouse]

The focus should be fixing up whatever is going on in our coaching team.

Insert a highly productive skills coach, along with goal kicking skill set.

 

[katmanblue]

What would I have done?

I would have stuck Walsh at half back and use him as a Daicos-type role. His disposal off half back would have provided us better ability to transition.

I would have dropped Hewett earlier in the year when he was offering very little.

I would have rested Cripps more forward. He doesn't have to attend 100% centre bounces. We are riding him into the ground.

These are just some measures I would have taken.... but what would I know, I just watch this team every week allowing them to continuously let me down week in week out.

Walsh to deliver lace out to the opposition.

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[TENACIOUS]

The decision to bring in Hewett rather than play Setterfield on the ball is a rather poor one in retrospect.

Setterfield gives you a bit more flexibility with his height and is younger. Even with Hewett improving upon his output at the Swans, his lack of speed was always going to compound an existing weakness.

What's worse is his acquisition has meant we're seemingly committed to playing him irrespective of form, and we're also not targeting other players that might address our lack of speed.

It was a rather poor list management decision given our existing depth and needs elsewhere.

Not sure where the Setterfield hype is coming from...

Setterfield is having a Career best year for * and his output is still even/less than Hewett, who we'd all agree is out of form this year...

Good list management decision for me...

George Hewett and Will Setterfield AFL Stats Comparison

George Hewett and Will Setterfield AFL Stats Comparison.

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[Korn]

I’m happy to try offload 17 players this year.. via trade or delist or retire

1. LOB
2. McGov
3. Dow
4. Fisher
5. Kennedy/Hewett
6. Ed
7. Martin
8. Marchbank
9. Cunners
10. TDK/Pitto
11. Acres
12. Williams
13. Pkowman
14. Honey
15. Philp
16. Mirkov
17. SOS/Kemp

I'm with you. Rebuild the list as quickly as possible. Not getting 3-4 players per year like we've been doing, it's a waste of time.
We have 2 Coleman medalist, 2 number 1 draft pick players, and a Brownlow medalist. Build a list around them. We have no time.

 

[thebluenewdeal]

I’m happy to try offload 17 players this year.. via trade or delist or retire

1. LOB
2. McGov
3. Dow
4. Fisher
5. Kennedy/Hewett
6. Ed
7. Martin
8. Marchbank
9. Cunners
10. TDK/Pitto
11. Acres
12. Williams
13. Pkowman
14. Honey
15. Philp
16. Mirkov
17. SOS/Kemp

Lob is depth. Gov is gone as far as I’m concerned. Dow is gone. Fisher has a little currency but I would do a role change with him before I trade him. I don’t get the Kennedy and/or Hewett one. They both had off season surgery and are obviously being managed. Ed gone. Martin gone. Marchy gone. Cunners gone. TDK/pitto keep. Acres… been 5 minutes and he just needs to play higher up the ground. Williams no currency. Plowman gone. Honey gone. Philp vfl. Mirkov idc. Sos gone. Kemp keep. He’ll play better with gov out of the side. They both like to reference a small and peel off to intercept. Got to choose one and I think kempy plays better around weiters. Need to find an assured defender to help when weiters isn’t at the next aerial contest. Young gets weird when he’s on his own lol. Sam Durdin has to go aswell. He can’t stay on the park in the vfl. Not sure he’s worth having on the list if he gets injured when the speed and intensity lifts.

I got 13 or 14.. could be as high as 15. It’ll probably end up being like 7-8. Just got to keep the right ones who can have a clear and defined role.

 

[Gw2_James]

I’m happy to try offload 17 players this year.. via trade or delist or retire

1. LOB
2. McGov
3. Dow
4. Fisher
5. Kennedy/Hewett
6. Ed
7. Martin
8. Marchbank
9. Cunners
10. TDK/Pitto
11. Acres
12. Williams
13. Pkowman
14. Honey
15. Philp
16. Mirkov
17. SOS/Kemp

I'm with you on that, i think we need a mini rebuild, gotta do some aggressive trading. Over the next 2 years or so id go with this from your list.

1.Lob delist seen enough
2.Mcgov wait and see, if he continues playing ok, maybe offer a year
3.Dow trade if possible or delist
4.Fisher trade for sure has some currency
5.Kennedy/hewitt, keep hewitt trade kennedy, he would probably net us a decent draft pick
6.Ed delist
7.Martin trade/delist
8.Marchbank delist
9 Cunners would be the first one on my list to delist
10.Tdk/pitto potentially trade tdk if good offer or whatever otherwise keep both
11.Acres keep
12.Williams give him to end of next year. If same same then delist/trade
13.Plowman delist
14.Honey delist
15 Philp delist
16.Mirkov dont know much about tbh. Delist i guess
17.Sos/kemp sos is a solid foot soldier, need them in ur team. Kemp id keep give him more time, he seems like hes improving.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

The problem with our balance of Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy (and Ed) is that when they're not having a big impact, they're just slow mids.
Because of an overall lack of pace, we really struggle to cover when one or more is down.

You might be able to get away with this mix when they're all in form like about 12 months ago.(still a very unbalanced combination)
But when other teams are fast rebounding out of our crowded forward line, we get murdered.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I’m happy to try offload 17 players this year.. via trade or delist or retire

1. LOB
2. McGov
3. Dow
4. Fisher
5. Kennedy/Hewett
6. Ed
7. Martin
8. Marchbank
9. Cunners
10. TDK/Pitto
11. Acres
12. Williams
13. Pkowman
14. Honey
15. Philp
16. Mirkov
17. SOS/Kemp

People have been saying they are happy for TDK or Pitto to go at seasons end, does that mean you're happy to go into next season with just Pittonet, with Mirkov/Lemmey as the back up? Given our salary cap squeeze, won't be a lot of coin to chase an established ruck so who are we bringing in that could immediately improve us?