Training 2023 Pre-season thread

[Grasshopper17]

That's exactly my thoughts.
Last week I was talking to one of the all time great forwards of the game. His comments were that the last few years Brisbane have run the gauntlet when it comes to taking their chances with the ball inside their 50 more than most other teams. The thing is, you go in attack mode and turn the ball over, the opposition defense finds it easier to re-bound because our forwards are in more vulnerable places than if they were more conservative. It shows on the scoreboard that we are very good at conversion when the ball comes in because of that however finding an even balance of how much to attack is a difficult challenge and one that's being worked on constantly.

I find this a really interesting discussion point. Multiple times in 2022 we heard Fages (and possibly other guys) talk about how we tried to slow down our ball movement a bit mid-game to (a) give our forwards a better chance to get into position to score ahead of the ball but also (b) ensure our forward line had greater "density" when the ball hit the ground, allowing us more easily to lock the ball inside 50.

Ultimately this was like a band-aid solution, much like our solution against Melbourne in the semi of conceding contested possession by selecting a team we hoped (correctly) would outrun them late in the game.

The panacea, and what we should be aiming for, is to move the ball forward as quickly as possible into as open a forward line as possible, giving us the greatest chance to score. At the same time, our defence has to be ready and alert to snap into position to defend a quick turnover, even while we still have the ball.

It comes back to that balance I've mentioned before between on-ball pressure and behind-the-ball structure. Very hard to exert defensive pressure if you only have 1 or 2 blokes around the ball (particularly if one of them is Joe Daniher), so that is where our defensive structure behind the ball needs to comes into play, and do so better than it did last year.

It's going to be fascinating to see what we do with this and how we go striking this balance. I very much hope we don't opt for the "solution" of slowing our ball movement to aid our defence. It will make us ugly to watch and won't help us in finals as we learned against Geelong.

 

[Thomasno]

great news. bit suprised he extended so soon - thought numerous clubs lacking quality smalls would throw the kitchen sink at him

I’ve seen him a couple times at Felons with a bunch of lads that absolutely do not look like footy players, so I would imagine he’s settled in quite nicely up here socially and the lure “home” may not be as strong for him.

 

[trikster]

Photos from Wednesday afternoon...

Prior looks to have trimmed down a fair bit?

 

[briztoon]

I’ve seen him a couple times at Felons with a bunch of lads that absolutely do not look like footy players, so I would imagine he’s settled in quite nicely up here socially and the lure “home” may not be as strong for him.

Home being the NT.

 

[Nunez]

Wouldn't he?

I mean sure, he could - but this feels like the perfect use for Cam in the pre-season. He needs to become a 20+ touch player and while he excels at winning contested footy, he needs to get better at winning uncontested ball. Half back is a great place to practise that skill. Develop it in the preseason and let him apply what he learned in the midfield.

 

[Berrygood]

Where does Marcus Adams sit at the moment?

Are we getting to the stage where he or the club should make some decisions? I guess it's battle on or take a long term approach to recovery.

Should the Adams decision see him placed on the Long term injury list or worse (retirement), are we able to fill his spot on the list before the season kicks off? And if we did, surely we'd have to look for a tall defender, wouldn't we?

This is probably the only spanner in the works that I can think of for the list this year. What do you all think is likely to happen?

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

Where does Marcus Adams sit at the moment?

Are we getting to the stage where he or the club should make some decisions? I guess it's battle on or take a long term approach to recovery.

Should the Adams decision see him placed on the Long term injury list or worse (retirement), are we able to fill his spot on the list before the season kicks off? And if we did, surely we'd have to look for a tall defender, wouldn't we?

This is probably the only spanner in the works that I can think of for the list this year. What do you all think is likely to happen?

Jesus christ can ppl relax with Marcus Adams it's only January FFS.

 

[rye]

Jesus christ can ppl relax with Marcus Adams it's only January FFS.

given that he is still suffering with concussion related issues close to 6 months after the concussion incident and considering the emerging science around CTE and the long term impacts of head trauma on welbeing in later life for athletes, I think its perfectly valid for people to consider it likely that we will be without Adams for a period this year (if not the entire season like Seedsman)

 

[Mighty Lions]

Another 3 ker today at Nudgee. All ran in 1 group today and most achieved PB's again.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Jesus christ can ppl relax with Marcus Adams it's only January FFS.

To be honest at this stage my primary concern is about his long term health and well-being rather than his ability to ever return to top level football, and I'm sure many others on this forum share this view.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

To be honest at this stage my primary concern is about his long term health and well-being rather than his ability to ever return to top level football, and I'm sure many others on this forum share this view.

Which isn't to say that secondary concerns, like being able to watch him play football and contribute to the success of the club, aren't also worthy of consideration.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Where does Marcus Adams sit at the moment?

Are we getting to the stage where he or the club should make some decisions? I guess it's battle on or take a long term approach to recovery.

Should the Adams decision see him placed on the Long term injury list or worse (retirement), are we able to fill his spot on the list before the season kicks off? And if we did, surely we'd have to look for a tall defender, wouldn't we?

This is probably the only spanner in the works that I can think of for the list this year. What do you all think is likely to happen?

Marcus is the man who makes the next call. I am sure he appreciates all the concerns on social media but at the end of the day, he should decide if anything is said outside the inner sanctum and when that is said.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

Another 3 ker today at Nudgee. All ran in 1 group today and most achieved PB's again.

Who didn't achieve PB?

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

To be honest at this stage my primary concern is about his long term health and well-being rather than his ability to ever return to top level football, and I'm sure many others on this forum share this view.

You're not his daddy, he can make his own decisions.

 

[Dalions]

 

[Not a Psycho]

Late to the party but Rayner isn't playing defence come season proper.
I'm Victorian so granted I haven't seen him live as much as some of our Queensland brethren, but his defensive running has always been very much below par.
He's one of my favourite players to watch around the ball, but even in his match winning performance against the saints this year it was quite often his man who was out when they were transitioning from D50. IMO he falls into the basket of players who can break a game open in your favour, but it will come at a cost to your ability to play a team defence. It's just a matter of striking that balance.

 

[Scubaveg]

You're not his daddy, he can make his own decisions.

You really can be a bit of a dick sometimes.


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[T Rick]

I heard over a year ago that Adams is known to over train. Ignores club fitness staff and does extras to the extreme. Did the same at dogs. Will always be injury prone

...and the relevance of this to a possible career-ending concussion?

 

[Cubs2Lions]

You really can be a bit of a dick sometimes.


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[Saucery]

You really can be a bit of a dick sometimes.


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In more breaking news water is wet.

The name and the avatar kind of give away pretensions of edgy humour.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Who didn't achieve PB?

Sharpie

 

[Brett C]

Sharpie

In his defence his PB would probably be comp leading and before he put on some muscle.

 

[Section 5]

Sharpie

Not surprising really
Going from an athletics-based training schedule to AFL style
I imagine each additional year in the AFL his times will drop off.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Not surprising really
Going from an athletics-based training schedule to AFL style
I imagine each additional year in the AFL his times will drop off.

Someone needs to tell him that he’s training in the wrong sport (jk)

 

[Mighty Lions]

In his defence his PB would probably be comp leading and before he put on some muscle.

Someone needs to tell him that he’s training in the wrong sport (jk)

Sharpies running is elite. If he continues to run PB's he would soon be in Olympic qualifying category. I'm sure he has better times in him into the future but sometime he has to level off.