Analysis 2024 draft class WOW super draft ?

[Snuffaluphagus]

It was his highest number since Rnd 1.

Rnd 1 was statically his worst game of the season.


You can mount these sorts of arguments for anyone.

Of Langford played in the center bounces l, his contested numbers would improve.

FOS is statistically one of the best defensive midfielders in the league this year AND he kicks as many goals and has close to the score involvements of Reid. What would his numbers be if he wasn’t so accountable?

Definitely can do it for all of them (although I'd argue there is probably a greater overall stat gain getting off a flank to the middle then a change in role in the middle but I'm pedantic), I'm just trying to gap the difference in the stats with general consensus. It's not like it's only Freo supporers who think Reid is clearly the best player from the draft at the moment

 

[Lia]

Murphy Reid is way in front, I don't think this is a debatable point. High talent playing in a good system which allows him to maximise his strengths.

Longer term my favourite would be FOS.

 

[jackag24]

I’ve watched each of his games this year, he grew up 5 minutes from my house and grew up in my local junior league.

I saw him play school footy long before you knew he existed.

I’m aware of him.

He’s one of the best young players in the league, but I don’t think he’s any better than Lalor, FOS or Langford at the moment.

Langford might kick 30-35 goals off the wing this year.

Why do you think people are talking about him in All Australian context then? Just over hype?

 

[txbyhull]

Thanks “bud”

All it proves is those posters generally lack basic logic and probably watch 1 game a week.

In no possible metric is Reid “comfortably gapping” this draft class.

In fact, the top 4-5 midfielders are extremely even this year.

He definitely gets the most media attention, maybe that’s why you have formed that opinion.

Whether it’s as a result of injury in the case of Lalor, role / use in the case of FOS, or any other reasoning, Murphy Reid has put a gap on the rest at this current moment by performing to the degree he did in his rookie season.

This season there is not a comfortable gap, but cumulatively there is

 

[Wild Bill]

Whether it’s as a result of injury in the case of Lalor, role / use in the case of FOS, or any other reasoning, Murphy Reid has put a gap on the rest at this current moment by performing to the degree he did in his rookie season.

This season there is not a comfortable gap, but cumulatively there is

Good post - career to date there is a big gap - the gap has closed in 2026 - even with Reid going to another level.

 

[Purple Pills]

im excited to see Smilie and Hotton once they get on the park. Still reckon they will be really special players

Yeah Hotton for sure. I was personally keen on him in the draft year and was maybe slightly disappointed we ended up with Reid! Im sure they will both end up stars.

 

[Sphynx]

Good post - career to date there is a big gap - the gap has closed in 2026 - even with Reid going to another level.

He’s largely playing virtually the same as he did in his RS year.

It’s actually Lalor and FOS that have gone to another level.

FOS has had the biggest ranking jump in the entire league, ie most improved.

 

[largebus]

The gap between Reid and the rest was always going to narrow eventually, see Nick Daicos compared to JHF or NWM in 2022/23 compared to now.

It's a case of some players, who at 18 are not yet fully grown being able to hit the ground running and some taking their time.

It took pick 58 Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

33

Ht

177cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

a decade to be considered the best player in the 2011 draft, so we'll look back in 10 years and laugh at how our clubs didn't pick...Jasper Alger

 

[txbyhull]

He’s largely playing virtually the same as he did in his RS year.

It’s actually Lalor and FOS that have gone to another level.

FOS has had the biggest ranking jump in the entire league, ie most improved.

The whole point is that Reid has improved, but the gap has gotten smaller because FOS and Lalor have improved “more” due to performing far less in their rookie seasons due to use and injury respectively.

Going from 60% to 90% is a bigger jump than 100 to 110% even if the latter started and finished better

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

He’s largely playing virtually the same as he did in his RS year.

It’s actually Lalor and FOS that have gone to another level.

FOS has had the biggest ranking jump in the entire league, ie most improved.

Reid is far better than he was last year, how is he virtually the same...

 

[Wild Bill]

He’s largely playing virtually the same as he did in his RS year.

It’s actually Lalor and FOS that have gone to another level.

FOS has had the biggest ranking jump in the entire league, ie most improved.

What? Reid has gone from averaging 14 disposals to 24. That’s a big jump.

 

[Sphynx]

What? Reid has gone from averaging 14 disposals to 24. That’s a big jump.

Yes.

He also kicked 25 goals last year and generated 23% of Fremantle scores from those 14 touches in a much more limited role.

As I keep saying, the industry has moved right away from possessions and disposals to valuing impact and damage above everything.

He’s definitely improved, but not on paper as much as FOS and Lalor, mainly because he was much better then those two last year.

 

[Sphynx]

The whole point is that Reid has improved, but the gap has gotten smaller because FOS and Lalor have improved “more” due to performing far less in their rookie seasons due to use and injury respectively.

Going from 60% to 90% is a bigger jump than 100 to 110% even if the latter started and finished better

But it’s not that is it?

It’s 80-90%

Vs

30-95%…

 

[WilloTree]

I'm no expert, but from what I've seen Reid is a considerably more consistent player this year than last. I'm not sure he'll be the best in his draft long term, but he's had a freakishly good start.

I'm.not going to try and run down players from other clubs as it doesn't change what Murphy Reid does on field even slightly. I've never understood why people do it.

 

[Sphynx]

I'm no expert, but from what I've seen Reid is a considerably more consistent player this year than last. I'm not sure he'll be the best in his draft long term, but he's had a freakishly good start.

I'm.not going to try and run down players from other clubs as it doesn't change what Murphy Reid does on field even slightly. I've never understood why people do it.

Who’s doing it?

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

But it’s not that is it?

It’s 80-90%

Vs

30-95%…

On what metric is Reid behind them?

 

[Sphynx]

On what metric is Reid behind them?

Did you not read my earlier post?

On what metric is he not, other than simply disposals per game?

He IS rated behind FOS and Lalor this season (at the moment) even after his best game of the season this game just gone.

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

Did you not read my earlier post?

On what metric is he not, other than simply disposals per game?

He IS rated behind FOS and Lalor this season (at the moment) even after his best game of the season this game just gone.

If thats doesnt tell you something, nothing will. He was being spoken about as an AA before the weekends game.

He has been exceptional to this point. So much so, he is fighting with the 5th 6th best midfielder for the HFF AA position. And, as you know, he has only kicked 7 goals!

 

[Sphynx]

If thats doesnt tell you something, nothing will. He was being spoken about as an AA before the weekends game.

He has been exceptional to this point. So much so, he is fighting with the 5th 6th best midfielder for the HFF AA position. And, as you know, he has only kicked 7 goals!

He’s being spoken about as an AA because he’s playing in the side currently atop of the ladder.

The fact the other two aren’t is further proof of that fact.

Both of whom are a chance at winning their clubs Best and Fairests

If you are talking as a “half forward” Lalor is a much better player forward of center than Reid in virtually every possible category you can think of this season.

With another few games in the middle he’s likely to hit the 20+ disposals 1+ goal per game category.

Hes also one of the most damaging users in the league. Much higher than Reid comparatively.

Currently there’s 12 players in the game averaging that mark this season and they are all names like Heeney, Bontempelli, Pickett, Daicos, Warner, JHF etc

Do you think Reid should be picked ahead of Tony Greene or Kosi Pickett? Lalor isn’t as far behind them as you might think statistically. He’s already operating at a Zac Bailey/Josh Rachel’s type level.

Thats just Lalor, FOS is another few levels above him that this year…

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

He’s being spoken about as an AA because he’s playing in the side currently atop of the ladder.

The fact the other two aren’t is further proof of that fact.

Both of whom are a chance at winning their clubs Best and Fairests

If you are talking as a “half forward” Lalor is a much better player forward of center than Reid in virtually every possible category you can think of this season.

With another few games in the middle he’s likely to hit the 20+ disposals 1+ goal per game category.

Hes also one of the most damaging users in the league. Much higher than Reid comparatively.

Currently there’s 12 players in the game averaging that mark this season and they are all names like Heeney, Bontempelli, Pickett, Daicos, Warner, JHF etc

Do you think Reid should be picked ahead of Tony Greene or Kosi Pickett? Lalor isn’t as far behind them as you might think statistically. He’s already operating at a Zac Bailey/Josh Rachel’s type level.

Thats just Lalor, FOS is another few levels above him that this year…

I do not think Reid will be AA, i'll put that out there first but I think you're pushing and relying on stats too much personally. Stats are only part of the story which is something you alluded to in the Wardlaw thread. I dont think many would say Lalor or FOS are having better years than him outside their respective club fans.

 

[Wild Bill]

I do not think Reid will be AA, i'll put that out there first but I think you're pushing and relying on stats too much personally. Stats are only part of the story which is something you alluded to in the Wardlaw thread. I dont think many would say Lalor or FOS are having better years than him outside their respective club fans.

I think most Roos and Tigers would have Reid having the better year - he has polled coaches votes in 5 games - FOS 4. FOS has had maybe 1 BOG whereas Reid is close to BOG in 2 or 3 games.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think most Roos and Tigers would have Reid having the better year - he has polled coaches votes in 5 games - FOS 4. FOS has had maybe 1 BOG whereas Reid is close to BOG in 2 or 3 games.

Yeah, I think most would but I'd understand why some wouldnt (from those clubs). Anyways, some fantastic talent in this draft and a really strong top 8ish if you re ranked them. Personally, I'd stick to it not quite being as good as 2019 when it's all said and done but you can see a lot of potential 300+ gamers (most are the type to play A LOT of footy) while likely not many pushing into a top 5-10 player in the game type category.

 

[txbyhull]

But it’s not that is it?

It’s 80-90%

Vs

30-95%…

seasons of 80 and 90 > seasons of 30 and 95…

Even in your world where FOS is outperforming Murphy this season, by your own measurements Murphy’s got an extra 50% gap on FOS

 

[Sphynx]

seasons of 80 and 90 > seasons of 30 and 95…

Even in your world where FOS is outperforming Murphy this season, by your own measurements Murphy’s got an extra 50% gap on FOS

I agree with that.

But my original comment was regarding “continues to gap the rest of the field”

Which is totally incorrect.

 

[Sphynx]

I do not think Reid will be AA, i'll put that out there first but I think you're pushing and relying on stats too much personally. Stats are only part of the story which is something you alluded to in the Wardlaw thread. I dont think many would say Lalor or FOS are having better years than him outside their respective club fans.

My point with Wardlaw was, basics stats are only part of the story.

What a player does with the ball and how they impact the game is much more important.

Wardlaw is pretty much CD’s poster boy for this, as they have him the #3 ranked player in the league per minute of game play.

Most average footy fan (plenty on this site) will go, “he averages 19 touches per game…”

Wardlaw is having a better season than Harry Sheezel, despite getting it 15 times a game less and Harry being in Brownlow and AA markets/discussions.

Nick Watson is a much more valuable footballer than Archie Roberts despite getting it 20 times less…

Advanced stats tend to quantify defensive impact also, which the average footy fans have ignored for 20+ years, despite complaining about the Brownlow voting etc excluding defenders..