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[Schoonerman]

My first and last take on POPD-Poor Ol Paddy Dow

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Paddy Dow

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

I think he did take some strides forward this year and I’ll be pissed IF he goes and we replace him with a younger version of himself
What’s the F use- mayswell keep heem….

 

[Arr0w]

God this Dow talk is boring...

The same people banging on the same crap as last week, and the week before that and the week before that...

Give our eyes a rest...

Yeah we should get back to trading Harry

 

[M_I_G]

Yeah we should get back to trading Harry

Harry and something for Toby greene.
How do we make it happen Arr0w

 

[Arr0w]

Harry and something for Toby greene.
How do we make it happen Arr0w

I doubt anyone is trading Harry, nor should we

 

[gbatman]

Dunno if anyone has mentioned it yet, but what about Boyd as a high half forward when Williams is back in the side?

It would be well worth a shot. Love his run and carry and defensive skills down back but that speed and intensity around the forward line as a pressure forward, could be good.

The other thing is, would we play Williams forward? What about as a forward/mid?

 

[gbatman]

Harry and something for Toby greene.
How do we make it happen Arr0w

If we can get our ball movement right, Harry and Charlie will be extremely good for us. The players in our forward line are not the issue, they have proven that when we move the ball well. We just need to get the ball to them quicker and more direct, beat the press more often. Toby Greene is a gun, would never be gettable.

Wouldn't worry a great deal about our forwards, work on the players who's job it is to get it to them, there lies our biggest weakness.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Yeah we should get back to trading Harry

At least it was a different discussion to you, rehashing the same dribble bagging out Dow in every post...

 

[Arr0w]

At least it was a different discussion to you, rehashing the same dribble bagging out Dow in every post...

Not bagging him out, sharing my thoughts of his strengths and weaknesses, while you are in the pro movement

We should take your lead though, re-sign a fringe player while trading Harry

 

[Gointocarlton]

If we can get our ball movement right, Harry and Charlie will be extremely good for us. The players in our forward line are not the issue, they have proven that when we move the ball well. We just need to get the ball to them quicker and more direct, beat the press more often. Toby Greene is a gun, would never be gettable.

Wouldn't worry a great deal about our forwards, work on the players who's job it is to get it to them, there lies our biggest weakness.

Imagine a Hoops or a Scotto getting the ball in to Harry and Charlie!

 

[AndyLucimitis]

It would be well worth a shot. Love his run and carry and defensive skills down back but that speed and intensity around the forward line as a pressure forward, could be good.

The other thing is, would we play Williams forward? What about as a forward/mid?

I really like Williams though for his ability to run the ball at speed out of the backline and break the lines.

 

[windows1]

Mods can we take all Dow talk out of this and any other thread and stick in a Doe thread?

It’s driving me and many others nuts now.

Or

Start bans on anyone who posts about him.

I really can’t stand it any more. I can’t block Dow as a chat like I can posters.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Not bagging him out, sharing my thoughts of his strengths and weaknesses, while you are in the pro movement

We should take your lead though, re-sign a fringe player while trading Harry

Yes, you have a crack at his weaknesses every chance you get... All our players have weakness's, but you don't call them out...

I'm not in any movement... Until he's not a Carlton player, I'll continue to back him in
and will continue to support the positive side of any discussion, as I've learn't over the past few years
life's to short to thrive on negativity (not directed at you or anyone here either)...

As for Harry, it was a media topic at the time that I brought up for short discussion, not going on for months
and I make not secret of the fact if trading any player, won us one or multiple flags I'd do it...
I barrack for Carlton not individual players, even though I love and support them...

 

[cookie monster]

I'd really like to see us targetting a workman ruck with greater competency than our current stocks.

I fear we are way too bullish on Pitto, and TDK isn't showing a lot of aptitude towards being a no. 1 ruck

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I don't know about all the alleged 'Dow' talk but I do know that this thread has become needlessly complicated of late - 'I think we should shift 'Larry', 'Curly' and 'Moe' to the forward-line... but only for Friday night games', or something similar to that. It should get more straightforward the closer we get to a premiership, not more convoluted.

 

[Arr0w]

Yes, you have a crack at his weaknesses every chance you get...

No I don't, I have shared my thought of his strengths and weaknesses, but I will comment on what I believe is one-sided or falsehood, on any player

All our players have weakness's, but you don't call them out...

Name a player, I will share my opinion on their strengths and weaknesses

I'm not in any movement... Until he's not a Carlton player, I'll continue to back him in
and will continue to support the positive side of any discussion, as I've learn't over the past few years
life's to short to thrive on negativity (not directed at you or anyone here either)...

So unless it's just positivity, we can't discuss it?

As for Harry, it was a media topic at the time that I brought up for discussion,
and I make not secret of the fact if trading any player, won us one or multiple flags I'd do it...
I barrack for Carlton not individual players, even though I love and support them...

So you believe trading a best 22 player, a recent coleman medalist a vital component to our forward structure, while re-signing a fringe/depth mid allows us to get closer to a flag?

Perhaps rather than making a broad announcement that you are over a certain discussion on a player, you should have posted you are over just one side of the discussion views

 

[Magruder]

FFS…

there are posters that claim to be bored with the Dow chatter, then proceed to make every thread about a fringe player.
yes he has some AFL attributes and significant strengths but some glaring weaknesses that cause him to be c. 5th choice for the only position he can play at the level.

good kid, defo earnt a chance and performed well enough. but he will be elsewhere next year.

move on and stop re litigating as an excuse to have a crack at others you don’t like/disagree with…

 

[Arr0w]

I'd really like to see us targetting a workman ruck with greater competency than our current stocks.

I fear we are way too bullish on Pitto, and TDK isn't showing a lot of aptitude towards being a no. 1 ruck

It's a difficult one

While I would prefer more round the ground involvement and being a threat forward, we do have options in that area

The balance would be, do we get in a player for a couple of years before O'Keffee I'd ready, or work with what we have

Facts are, only 1 elite ruckman has won a flag in the last 2 decades

 

[Magruder]

It's a difficult one

While I would prefer more round the ground involvement and being a threat forward, we do have options in that area

The balance would be, do we get in a player for a couple of years before O'Keffee I'd ready, or work with what we have

Facts are, only 1 elite ruckman has won a flag in the last 2 decades

How do you define elite?

I can think of two without much effort…

Max Gawn and Dean Cox

 

[gbatman]

I really like Williams though for his ability to run the ball at speed out of the backline and break the lines.

I reckon we missed him this year just a little more than we realised, was having such a good preseason too. I think when fit he could probably play just about anywhere. That half back role is where I see him playing as well. Probably see Saad, Williams and Boyd in the side as a half back unit rotating out of the back pocket. Was a real weakness that in the end for us. If it becomes a strength our forward line will really come alive.

Imagine a Hoops or a Scotto getting the ball in to Harry and Charlie!

We have had some really poor sides over the last 20 years but gee we have had some really good half backs. Scotland, Houlihan, Yarran etc at their best did some good things for us. Scotland probably the best of them. That would be ideal!

Run it 10-20 meters kick it 30-50 meters, hit them lace out. Fly past the opposition press into an open forward line.

 

[Arr0w]

How do you define elite?

I can think of two without much effort…

Max Gawn and Dean Cox

They are probably the 2

Personally, not enamoured with ruckmen like Pitto, while he is very good at a stoppage, he offers little around the ground or forward

In time I think O'Keffee will be his replacement

So the list management discussion would be, do we bring in a mature short term option that has more string to his bow, while O'Keeffe develops

 

[Psychochook]

If Carlton's mids were better field kicks- the whole speed debate wouldn't be a topic for discussion IMO.

As it is now - I don't trust any of our mids to make a dangerous kick work more than 2 /10 times - most of our turnovers are caused by poor kicking skills. Cerra is probably teh best field kick we have playing mid. On the outside, Acres is typical bang it long, Hollands is developing and Cottrell is ok at kick it long - and on the improve - none of them are going to be elite kicks though. Docherty is very iffy.

Our best kicks of the ball in general play are McGovern, Williams, Boyd and Weitering down back - ironically, both Harry and Charlie are very good field kicks and Martin is clever inside forward fifty -the defensive fifty kick should hit a good between the arcs kicker ( and we have none ) we get bogged down in transition because of this....instead we are reluing on outside overlap run to make progress- butthat allows teams to run back defensively...

Voss has elevated the team's attacking and defensive capability by adding Acres and Hollands to the outside because of their massive endurance running capabilities - along with Cottrell - but the ability to slice through defensive structures via bullet kicks is a missing component in Carlton's DNA.

Again - IMO far more important to the ability to increase speed of transfer from one end to the other - than running and far less taxing.

There is no one developing in 2's that is nay better than the above

This has been what my wife has listened to me say (or scream at the telly) all season.

Can't have it all overnight but I agree that this is 100% our achilles heel.

 

[TENACIOUS]

No I don't, I have shared my thought of his strengths and weaknesses, but I will comment on what I believe is one-sided or falsehood, on any player


Name a player, I will share my opinion on their strengths and weaknesses


So unless it's just positivity, we can't discuss it?


So you believe trading a best 22 player, a recent coleman medalist a vital component to our forward structure, while re-signing a fringe/depth mid allows us to get closer to a flag?

Perhaps rather than making a broad announcement that you are over a certain discussion on a player, you should have posted you are over just one side of the discussion views

Don't have a problem at all, with you or any others having an opinion Dow or any other player, positive or negative, we are on an opinion forum...

Everyone deserves a voice, that's what we are all here for, however you and others have been going on about
Dow (rehashing the same arguments) every day for months...

Personally I'd rather have discussion with you on and others on, delistings, draft, trades, banter...

Nice try...
I never said, I'd trade Harry to keep Dow...
I said "IF" it got us to win one or multiple flags, i'd trade anyone...

Paraphrasing here: I said "if Harry had another season like this season this was prior to the Prelim
(he was very good in the Prelim and that's the Harry we want), then Austin may look at trading him...
I could't see Austin continuing to pay $800k-$1m a year for a player with the yips from 10m out...

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Sorry I'm not sure we're on the same page. We can't use our future 1st before the Campo bid because then we have nothing to match with.

F2 F3 F4 ?? Not to mention anything else we receive for trades and anything from 2025 we can bring forward if required

 

[macky99]

I'd really like to see us targetting a workman ruck with greater competency than our current stocks.

I fear we are way too bullish on Pitto, and TDK isn't showing a lot of aptitude towards being a no. 1 ruck

TDK is our number one ruck going forward, we need to find a back up ruck that play forward, Pittonet does not have these capabilities.

We have Okeefe & Lemney who are a few years away, a workhorse ruck is very highly unlikely to be a focus for our list management team.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

What would it take to get smith for bulldogs
He is the exact type of midfielder we need
Or do we just not have the cap space
Our list is at the point of being really particular in who we bring in with the players we look like losing our depth is going to take a good hit this off season which really worries me if we are hit with injuries nexr yr

Doesn’t pass THE Carlton metric, no chance


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