List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[ZoBlitz]

Gallop, for mine, had the most impressive VFL/NEAFL debut of any academy lad since the academy’s inception; and doing it in a Prelim Final made it even more meritorious.

A regular Dalziell.

 

[T Rick]

Gallop, for mine, had the most impressive VFL/NEAFL debut of any academy lad since the academy’s inception; and doing it in a Prelim Final made it even more meritorious.

Is Gallop likely to be bid on by anyone other than the Lions with a late pick?

 

[blueiris]

I am fairly sure Gillett was the player a couple of lions officials told me had ‘no aggression’ so won’t be him

Has Gallop come on late?

more than likely, it was Richardson who was rated quite highly this time last year

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Would have loved to have kept Prior instead of Craven....but probably was not an option.

I think both were options and we chose Craven over Prior. I did a basic list analysis here which demonstrates why we needed to either keep Craven or draft another small forward. Basically, we don't have much depth in that position while Linc is out, whereas we're okay for medium defender depth. We only really needed one of Beecken or Prior and I guess the club liked Beecken more.

As I've been saying for a while, our brains trust chose Craven for a reason, they clearly like his pressure and think he can be developed further.

Reading between the lines, I'd interpret that as Beecken has been extended on the rookie list for next year. We would be more worried about him getting snaffled up compared to Joyce or Craven.

I agree with this. Beecken only recently moved from Adelaide, and I'm sure his family and friends are all still there, so if we delisted him and either Adelaide club came calling, he might pick them over us. Joyce has been here for two years and his family are in Ireland, so he's less likely to jump ship if he had interest elsewhere.

 

[BuntonRules]

Joyce was a emergency in a winning GF team sharing a changeroom with Fort. That ain't going to happen any where else.

Draft night has an edge, I am going to be toey till we secure Gallop.

 

[Lazza16]

Would assume he’s already a Bomber.
Just not officially.

Bit of candy to entice Cam to Bomberland 2026.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think Prior might have to sign up for a VFL team and hope for an SSP opportunity

 

[Section 5]

Essendon has been linked to both Prior and Eagles’ Rotham. Wonder if they go both or just one and secondary to that, whether WCE or Freo now go for Prior.

On Prior
Essendon delisted F/S Jayden Davey today.
Not sure of their list spots or draft plans though.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Bit of candy to entice Cam to Bomberland 2026.

 

[Tom14]

The dopamine hit I'm going to get when the story drops that "Cam Rayner has re-signed with the Lions despite heavy interest from St Kilda" is going to be so, so pure.

 

[Lazza16]

Mmmmmm MnMs

 

[rye]

think this forum overrates prior, i wrote him off after his performance against hawthorn in 2023. one of the worst games i can recall from a brisbane player in the last 5 years. what are his afl level traits? happy if he gets picked up elsewhere and equally happy to commit that list spot to somebody else.

 

[Elixuh]

think this forum overrates prior, i wrote him off after his performance against hawthorn in 2023. one of the worst games i can recall from a brisbane player in the last 5 years. what are his afl level traits? happy if he gets picked up elsewhere and equally happy to commit that list spot to somebody else.

He's not an A-grade player so there is inconsistency in his output but by league standards - composure, kicking, reading of the play, competitiveness and leadership/culture. He would get games in a lesser side where he isn't behind the talent we have IMO. Has an obvious ceiling, but is at the level.

 

[Sproj]

think this forum overrates prior, i wrote him off after his performance against hawthorn in 2023. one of the worst games i can recall from a brisbane player in the last 5 years. what are his afl level traits? happy if he gets picked up elsewhere and equally happy to commit that list spot to somebody else.

I was at that game too, could not believe what I was seeing. He barely even tried, literally looked like he was walking around the wing sulking. I’m not sad he’s gone.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

In my case I've spent the last few years backing the guy (Prior) to make it with the Lions so I'm not going to stick the boot into him on the way out. Let's see if he gets picked up.

We are sometimes too quick to write off players who leave for instance Keays and Hinge. Five or so years in and they are not looking like cementing a spot then in most cases greener pastures is the go, especially with a list crunch.

 

[lionraven]

In my case I've spent the last few years backing the guy (Prior) to make it with the Lions so I'm not going to stick the boot into him on the way out. Let's see if he gets picked up.

We are sometimes too quick to write off players who leave for instance Keays and Hinge. Five or so years in and they are not looking like cementing a spot then in most cases greener pastures is the go, especially with a list crunch.

Ben Keays always had AFL level traits. Its just that he was behind Neale, Lyons, McCluggage, J Berry in the midfield, behind Cameron, Bailey and Mccarthy in the forward line and does not have the tank to play wing or the disposal skills to play half back. Keays is lucky he got to the Crows where their deficiencies let Keays play his role as a half forward. Despite this I think Keays limitations remain the same (tank and kicking). Hinge was offered a contract but declined for a bigger contract at the Crows. I think Hinge is comparable to Answerth (though some might say Answerth has eclipsed him this year)

I think Prior has some large deficiencies with his disposal and his decision making. He is nowhere near Starc in defense and Answerth has improved his disposal and overtaken him. Prior lost his wing spot to Jaspa in his first year. I'm not sure if consistent game time will help Prior improve his disposal at AFL level. I think he will be like Witherden if he gets picked up. He will be good enough to be in the 22 for a bottom 4 side but I doubt he will be someone that you keep in your 22 when you lift out of that position.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

Ben Keays always had AFL level traits. Its just that he was behind Neale, Lyons, McCluggage, J Berry in the midfield, behind Cameron, Bailey and Mccarthy in the forward line and does not have the tank to play wing or the disposal skills to play half back. Keays is lucky he got to the Crows where their deficiencies let Keays play his role as a half forward. Despite this I think Keays limitations remain the same (tank and kicking). Hinge was offered a contract but declined for a bigger contract at the Crows. I think Hinge is comparable to Answerth (though some might say Answerth has eclipsed him this year)

I think Prior has some large deficiencies with his disposal and his decision making. He is nowhere near Starc in defense and Answerth has improved his disposal and overtaken him. Prior lost his wing spot to Jaspa in his first year. I'm not sure if consistent game time will help Prior improve his disposal at AFL level. I think he will be like Witherden if he gets picked up. He will be good enough to be in the 22 for a bottom 4 side but I doubt he will be someone that you keep in your 22 when you lift out of that position.

Was it luck with Keays though or did he just work his arse off on the way to becoming a B&F at an AFL club? Was it luck that he chose to go to a club that was a good fit for him? More hard work and good judgement than luck. Cant we all just accept that Keays is now a good AFL player?

 

[martinson]

Ben Keays always had AFL level traits. Its just that he was behind Neale, Lyons, McCluggage, J Berry in the midfield, behind Cameron, Bailey and Mccarthy in the forward line and does not have the tank to play wing or the disposal skills to play half back. Keays is lucky he got to the Crows where their deficiencies let Keays play his role as a half forward. Despite this I think Keays limitations remain the same (tank and kicking). Hinge was offered a contract but declined for a bigger contract at the Crows. I think Hinge is comparable to Answerth (though some might say Answerth has eclipsed him this year)

I think Prior has some large deficiencies with his disposal and his decision making. He is nowhere near Starc in defense and Answerth has improved his disposal and overtaken him. Prior lost his wing spot to Jaspa in his first year. I'm not sure if consistent game time will help Prior improve his disposal at AFL level. I think he will be like Witherden if he gets picked up. He will be good enough to be in the 22 for a bottom 4 side but I doubt he will be someone that you keep in your 22 when you lift out of that position.

Without riling anyone up when Keays was M/F for the Crows he was doing it at both ends unlike some of our guys at the time and one of their top players . His tank was as good as anybody's.

He won their B/F this year. From a F/flank but getting around the ground as well.

Dunno what he has to do for people not to view him the same way they've always viewed him because he isn't that player.

 

[mpal6]

Without riling anyone up when Keays was M/F for the Crows he was doing it at both ends unlike some of our guys at the time and one of their top players . His tank was as good as anybody's.

He won their B/F this year. From a F/flank but getting around the ground as well.

Dunno what he has to do for people not to view him the same way they've always viewed him because he isn't that player.

Been there since 2020 and has been in top 5 of their Best n Fairest 4/5 years.

This year's win is pretty significant when he had to concede midfield time and start impacting in other ways. Kicked 34 goals as a forward and still impacted midfield by winning clearances or shutting down players late in the game. Keays is a vital cog in the crows system these days and has continued to adapt on the fly.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Been there since 2020 and has been in top 5 of their Best n Fairest 4/5 years.

This year's win is pretty significant when he had to concede midfield time and start impacting in other ways. Kicked 34 goals as a forward and still impacted midfield by winning clearances or shutting down players late in the game. Keays is a vital cog in the crows system these days and has continued to adapt on the fly.


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As a South Australian, it's a massive honour to be able to watch Brisbane Lions legends in Ben Keays and Mitch Hinge run around the field regularly and be the best players on another team's list.

Those Lions coaches do know how to get the best out of anyone, even if they don't play for us anymore

 

[Nathan Barley]

Was it luck with Keays though or did he just work his arse off on the way to becoming a B&F at an AFL club? Was it luck that he chose to go to a club that was a good fit for him? More hard work and good judgement than luck. Cant we all just accept that Keays is now a good AFL player?

Without riling anyone up when Keays was M/F for the Crows he was doing it at both ends unlike some of our guys at the time and one of their top players . His tank was as good as anybody's.

He won their B/F this year. From a F/flank but getting around the ground as well.

Dunno what he has to do for people not to view him the same way they've always viewed him because he isn't that player.

There's luck involved in any career. No need to get offended by 1 little comment

Keays especially given his issues required AFL gametime to resolve and he managed to get drafted to a team with a shocking midfield

 

[knaf]

think this forum overrates prior, i wrote him off after his performance against hawthorn in 2023. one of the worst games i can recall from a brisbane player in the last 5 years. what are his afl level traits? happy if he gets picked up elsewhere and equally happy to commit that list spot to somebody else.

I remember that Hawthorn game. Couldn’t believe how bad his performance was. May have put a question mark against his name. However I thought he played an acceptable game in his one afl game this year. Has been consistently good at vfl level.

As I have said before he plays like an undersized key back. Goes well at vfl level playing this role, but undersized at afl level. doesn't have the speed or reaction time to be small defender. I don’t see the problems others have identified in his disposal and decision making. Has a strong body and may have a role in a developing side providing some protection to younger more talented players. Would like to see him on ball but have queries on his tank.

Like all delisted Lions I wish him well in the future.

 

[martinson]

There's luck involved in any career. No need to get offended by 1 little comment

Keays especially given his issues required AFL gametime to resolve and he managed to get drafted to a team with a shocking midfield

Nathan every time Keays name comes up you instantly go out of your way with the laughing emojis and generally derogatory comments to downplay his achievements.

We've heard the same thing 100 times.

After 8 or 10 years maybe it's time you got off his back.

 

[briztoon]

Ben Keays always had AFL level traits. Its just that he was behind Neale, Lyons, McCluggage, J Berry in the midfield, behind Cameron, Bailey and Mccarthy in the forward line and does not have the tank to play wing or the disposal skills to play half back. Keays is lucky he got to the Crows where their deficiencies let Keays play his role as a half forward. Despite this I think Keays limitations remain the same (tank and kicking). Hinge was offered a contract but declined for a bigger contract at the Crows. I think Hinge is comparable to Answerth (though some might say Answerth has eclipsed him this year)

I think Prior has some large deficiencies with his disposal and his decision making. He is nowhere near Starc in defense and Answerth has improved his disposal and overtaken him. Prior lost his wing spot to Jaspa in his first year. I'm not sure if consistent game time will help Prior improve his disposal at AFL level. I think he will be like Witherden if he gets picked up. He will be good enough to be in the 22 for a bottom 4 side but I doubt he will be someone that you keep in your 22 when you lift out of that position.

It’s a small thing, but Keays definitely has the tank to play wing. One of the best distance runners in the competition.

 

[twhowler]

Shocks me north haven’t been interested in any of our players.

Prior would be a great get for them - strong lad who doesn’t shirk a contest and is afl standard.

I guess they are okay for mids but given how poor they have been why not go Dev as a half forward putting pressure on and setting an example with some tough tackling. Also likes a goal.

I think of players like bastinac - no star but helped us in our gradual step to get better.