List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[DangerousD]

if the goal is to get better. What does Kennedy out Parfitt in do for us....

It means you bring in a player on a cheaper $$$ who is of very similar quality who can come in and play to the level.

You then use any draft capital from Kennedy to bring in quality youth or a player in a position of need.

 

[morningbrown]

They are a Patrick Dangerfield and Jeremy Cameron away from finishing 12th which they did last year when they had interrupted seasons. In the last 10 years they have traded in Cameron and Dangerfield who were known stars who wanted to live down there. We gave them Tuohey which was a big win for them.

Apart from those 3 they have traded in Mitch Clark, Rhys Stanley, Lachie Henderson, zac Smith, Aaron Black, Nathan Kreuger, Gary Rohan, Jack Steven, Josh Jenkins, Jonathon Ceglar Tanner Bruhn, Jack Bowes, Oliver Henry and traded Ablett back when he was about finished. There is some average footballers on that list.

I assume that they got Stengle as a DFA which was a good get.

People get carried away because of 1 good finals win (over port) . I personally think that their list is in an average state particularly if Bailey Smith doesn't fire for them which is on the cards.

They are well coached but it's just as easy to see them being also runs next year as to see them having some success. I would much prefer our list to theirs.

Lol. People make this mistake every year and every year Geelong prove them to be fools.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Lol. People make this mistake every year and every year Geelong prove them to be fools.

Except last year when they finished 12th?

 

[BigFrizz36]

Small forwards are supposed to be dickheads!
Just need to be able to match the yap with footy ability.

Arrogant little assholes u hate with a passion unless they play for u

The prosecution would like to call its first witness. Mr. Eddie Betts .

Case closed.

 

[SurreyBlue]

In the empty spots when 5 of our best 22 are injured each week. So we don't lose 7 of our last 9 games and squander a top 4 finish and a home final.

Sure - but now that we have removed and are still removing 'ALL' our injured players, have a new medicine man and all.....I expect no such BIG numbers or so we have been told to believe.

 

[HarryFlashman]

The prosecution would like to call its first witness. Mr. Eddie Betts .

Case closed.

Objection!
Citing the “unicorn” doctrine- he’s a one off & a magnificent person.
Rebuttal argument is Paps, Elliot, Cameron, Milne, Walters, Greene etc

 

[BlueJet]

Except last year when they finished 12th?

There's usually an outlier, they're like the Melbourne Storm, tipped to fall away significantly but never really do.

 

[morningbrown]

Except last year when they finished 12th?

They have missed finals twice in EIGHTEEN SEASONS and have made at least a prelim in 13 of those. They are forever the benchmark in staying up the top and they have re-generated about five times since their first flag with very minimal downtime. They might have one off year but will be contending ad infinitum.

 

[SurreyBlue]

They have missed finals twice in EIGHTEEN SEASONS and have made at least a prelim in 13 of those. They are forever the benchmark in staying up the top and they have re-generated about five times since their first flag with very minimal downtime. They might have one off year but will be contending ad infinitum.

Agree - but the farming lifestyle / beach site land helps..

 

[BigFrizz36]

They have missed finals twice in EIGHTEEN SEASONS and have made at least a prelim in 13 of those. They are forever the benchmark in staying up the top and they have re-generated about five times since their first flag with very minimal downtime. They might have one off year but will be contending ad infinitum.

Agree - but the farming lifestyle / beach site land helps..

And you could also add that they got Hawkins at 41 , Ablett at 40 and Scarlett at 45 under the old father son rules. Add being able to add Dangerfield and Cameron under the farming/lifestyle rule and the superb drafting of Sellwood at 7 and there's your nucleus of success.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

I think Coona and 43 have turned me around.....trade F1 to suns, draft Lyndsay and Berry

 

[HarryFlashman]

And you could also add that they got Hawkins at 41 , Ablett at 40 and Scarlett at 45 under the old father son rules. Add being able to add Dangerfield and Cameron under the farming/lifestyle rule and the superb drafting of Sellwood at 7 and there's your nucleus of success.

Damn, just googled Geelong “most games played”
Kinda helpful to your success when u have 220 + gamers like Enright, Mackie, Corey, Bartel, Kelly, Selwood, Hawkins, Johnson etc they had a hell of a lot of good players that went around forever, bloody handy when u get picks right and/or cheap & they play forever

 

[Arr0w]

I think Coona and 43 have turned me around.....trade F1 to suns, draft Lyndsay and Berry

It's always a balance of both, and dependant on where your list is at in any phase

There are busts and talent all throughout the draft

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

He will prob play every game next year !!! lol. such a talent when on the park with his toughness but understand you cant carry him for 3 -4 years with continually breaking down

would be hugely damning of Russell and his team if Martin plays even a handful of senior games in a season....

 

[BlueTongue]

Surely with who we have delisted and with Owies asked to look around, it points to a forward half player.

Wicks, Konstanty, Switkowski, maybe Garry Rowan as a DFA if we go the draft route.

Wasn’t the tall the Cats cut highly regarded at one stage? Not jekka the other guy.

The club is pretty quiet atm so it's all speculation but I dont think the above is any indication that we'll be going after a forward (or that we won't). However, given that Kemp looks to be staying forward, and we'll have Williams and Fogarty back, I'm not convinced that we will go after a forward.

What is clear IMHO is that we need at least;
1 KPD
1 Small Forward (Wicks has been mentioned but I'm unsure where the speculation came from. Might be a good move)

 

[HarryFlashman]

would be hugely damning of Russell and his team if Martin plays even a handful of senior games in a season....

Kinda, but weird shit happens with peoples bodies.

Time, change of environment, stress levels, nutrition/supplements & different training/load levels could see him back on the park.

Highly doubt he comes good, but the mental side is massive in healing from injury, u can’t put that on Russell if a major part of his recovery is a different environment.

I’m no fan of Russell, just saying if he does come good it’s likely it’s a combination of intangibles that we couldn’t provide - sure as hell won’t look good thou

 

[skadoosh]

I've seen some trading out our future 1st.

Do we not need to keep our future 1st to use on Cody?

 

[BlueTongue]

J Martin set for the Cats according to Sam Edmund.

Just read the article, it will be bitter sweet if the Cats can get him right. At his best, he's a super talent and I want to see him succeed but it'll hurt seeing him tear it up in another team's colours.

would be hugely damning of Russell and his team if Martin plays even a handful of senior games in a season....

Given the way Geelong manage their players, I wouldn't mind betting that if he goes there, they will get his body semi-right and use him as an impact player.

 

[Red Bull]

The prosecution would like to call its first witness. Mr. Eddie Betts .

Case closed.

Well … he did move to Adelaide

 

[BlueTongue]

Where else is he going to kick to?

Do you really think our players are that dumb, that they can't look for a target? They are playing within their shell... have been ever since the Giants touched them up.

Mids cluster along the wing, don't work hard enough to find space and present and so rather than hit pin point targets that are surrounded by opposition, the backs kick long up the boundary to a contest.

Fix the midfield, I'm more than confident Boyd, Newman, Saad, Gov can find and hit targets... they've already proven so...

Er, It was a (snarky) joke and i agree on the mids.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

I've seen some trading out our future 1st.

Do we not need to keep our future 1st to use on Cody?

Cody isn’t eligible until 2026.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

It means you bring in a player on a cheaper $$$ who is of very similar quality who can come in and play to the level.

You then use any draft capital from Kennedy to bring in quality youth or a player in a position of need.

so waste a list spot for the sake of it to get in pick in the 30s maybe 40s at probably exactly the same salary? Instead of keeping the clubman who is well loved by his team and far more versatile across positions?

 

[Jacks Seething Rage]

if the goal is to get better. What does Kennedy out Parfitt in do for us....

Actually remarkably similar stats across their respective careers.

The value in Parfitt may be he provides the same midfield insurance at potentially half the price. Solid inside vet for VFL program otherwise.

More mobile, very willing tackler, but lacks MKs versatility to push forward though.

Equally shit kicks I50.

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

I’m open to Houston (but still hoping for Trac!).

I think what is easily underestimated (and the reason I’ve come around to the idea of Houston) is how valuable elite kicks are in terms of what they can mean for transition (not to mention goal-scoring from outside 50 and delivery inside 50). If you watch the way the Swans and Hawks move the ball particularly, but even the Cats with Stewart - it’s often clinical.

Being one of the best kicks in the game makes him much more than just another half-back imo… and if we’re being honest, on top of small forwards, dynamic mids and key-defenders, we are well below the mark with kicking skills.

Yeah I'm coming around to it too. Ability to link back, mid and forward with his kicking. Also valuable structurally for the same reason, as he will keep opposition honest by forcing them to stay mindful of him. That could help us also to stretch opposition zones and add a decent switch back into our repertoire. Probably worth a goal more for us and a goal less for them per game.

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

So GC are very keen to swap their first round pick this year for one next year so they don't have to use it on their academy player. Presents an interesting opportunity for us.