List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Jimmae]

Ok, to clarify my points further: Wicks is another pressure forward that doesn't score much, and doesn't look like he would with a shift in role. Not really interested unless he's DFA, and we've sent Owies out the door and have a plan for Motlop to play a lot more midfield.

Still far more interested in drafting Hotton.

So as it sits we have 3 Senior list spots and no rookie spots…

Senior: 33 (3 Available Spots)
Draft
Pick 11
Ben Camporeale
Boyd

DFA
Haynes

Trade
Houston

Rookie: 5 (1 Available Spots)
Draft
Lucas Camporeale

If we’re going to take Haynes & Houston we need to trade or delist another 2 Senior list.

Those Mentioned:
Kennedy (Contracted)
Owies
Young (Contracted)
Carroll

Don’t see us being as active as some say or most want in trade week. We just don’t have the list spots…

1 cat B slot is also open, but it will be taken by Duffy.

There's DFA periods after the free agency and trade periods, as well as after the draft. Plenty of time to discard additional out of contact players.

 

[Kernafides]

Pls let's not hang our hats on the Irish boys. Shiny new toys but the window will be shut when/if they come good

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Phoenix Foster please!

Was let go by Geelong today

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Phoenix Foster please!

Was let go by Geelong YESTERDAY

EFA

 

[The Bighouse]

Phoenix Foster please!

Was let go by Geelong today

Player type?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Player type?

Key forward. Never played a game in his 2 years with the Cats

 

[The Bighouse]

Key forward. Never played a game in his 2 years with the Cats

Dominate the VFL at all?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Dominate the VFL at all?

Not from what I saw

 

[Coona Blues]

Loved Phoenix Foster in his draft year. Key forward who played more ruck at the U18 Champs. Also scope to play back. So key utility/pinch hitting ruck.

Geelong are quite a unique club managing their list. Plenty of seemingly AFL quality players have been moved on. Foster has had decent, but not rave reviews, but is a very young tall. Did miss some time with injuries, so not sure if they have impacted.

With Shannon Neale forward, Toby Conway and Mitch Edwards developing rucks and Connor O’Sullivan a likely defensive or utility tall star to add to SDK as another key/ruck utility as well as freakish J.Cameron, Blicavs, Kolodjashnij, the Henry boys at either end and Tom Stewart third tall type, they are well served for talls mature and developing.

Due diligence would be sensible on Foster if he can be taken, particularly as a rookie (won’t be surprised if Cats are planning to re-rookie him on the quiet)

 

[DangerousD]

We would be worse off, by far.

When people say we will be worse by far, in what area? Goals per game? Kennedy averages 0.2 more goals per game, tackles? Kennedy averages about 2 less per game, possessions per game? Both average 17.

I dont mind Kennedy but to put him up there as being miles better than Parfit is a stretch.

If Kennedy were to leave, we would get a pick 25-35 imo, you can then add Parfit for free,

 

[The Bighouse]

Loved Phoenix Foster in his draft year. Key forward who played more ruck at the U18 Champs. Also scope to play back. So key utility/pinch hitting ruck.

Geelong are quite a unique club managing their list. Plenty of seemingly AFL quality players have been moved on. Foster has had decent, but not rave reviews, but is a very young tall. Did miss some time with injuries, so not sure if they have impacted.

With Shannon Neale forward, Toby Conway and Mitch Edwards developing rucks and Connor O’Sullivan a likely defensive or utility tall star to add to SDK as another key/ruck utility as well as freakish J.Cameron, Blicavs, Kolodjashnij, the Henry boys at either end and Tom Stewart third tall type, they are well served for talls mature and developing.

Due diligence would be sensible on Foster if he can be taken, particularly as a rookie (won’t be surprised if Cats are planning to re-rookie him on the quiet)

I suppose we’d need to be comparing his development to that of Lemmey?

Did Mitch Hardie have solid VFL form?

 

[Coona Blues]

I suppose we’d need to be comparing his development to that of Lemmey?

Did Mitch Hardie have solid VFL form?

Hardie solid, even prolific. Earned AFL selection many times over on face value. 27yo yet to debut. Clearly backing in those getting it done this year as well as trading B.Smith and more development from J.Clark and G.Stevens

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Geelong 'ITK' poster saying Butters set to request a trade to VIC.

What would it take and would we go all in on it?

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Geelong 'ITK' poster saying Butters set to request a trade to VIC.

What would it take and would we go all in on it?

if true, I'd suggest already a done deal with someone else.

Cats? Dogs?

Was from the Jets?

 

[HereComesJuddy]

if true, I'd suggest already a done deal with someone else.

Cats? Dogs?

Was from the Jets?

Butters was a Dogs fan growing up but if he is to request a trade to VIC I doubt it’s a done deal anywhere at this early stage. He may have just put his feelers out at this early stage.

Would definitely cost 2 x 1sts, (7 - 13) imo or a top 6 pick and an early 2nd

 

[btdg]

I really hope we learn from our past mistakes and don't bring in Houston.

If you look at what succesful clubs (Geelong Sydney, Hawthorn, Richmond in their prime) do, they pay heavily for superstars in key positons and midfield only (Dangerfield, Cameron, Franklin, Mitchell/O'Meara, Lynch... and even Taranto/Hopper). If they have gaps in other spots they tend to either trade cheaply, develop their own, or plan around the gap.

Our rebuild has been characterised by panicking and paying high prices for role players: Williams and Martin, Saad, McGovern.

Remember, the benefit of Houston isn't his full skillset. It is the upgrade he provides over what we have at halfback (Cowan or Docherty?) or coulf find cheaply elsewhere. This simply isn't a difference thst will make or break our tean.

And the cost isn't just the trade price, but also includes the salary cap space we won't have in 12 months or 2 years or even now, the development Cowan or whoever loses, etc.

Our recruitment team shoukd be forced to wear wristbands thay say WWSD (what would Sydney do?). Clearing out the paltry remains of our depth and two years worth of draft capital to bring in a 27yo half back flank simply isn't it...

 

[RAPPA]

So as it sits we have 3 Senior list spots and no rookie spots…

Senior: 33 (3 Available Spots)
Draft
Pick 11
Ben Camporeale
Boyd

DFA
Haynes

Trade
Houston

Rookie: 5 (1 Available Spots)
Draft
Lucas Camporeale

If we’re going to take Haynes & Houston we need to trade or delist another 2 Senior list.

Those Mentioned:
Kennedy (Contracted)
Owies
Young (Contracted)
Carroll

Don’t see us being as active as some say or most want in trade week. We just don’t have the list spots…

HTAF is Sam Durdin still on the list. I mean, I 100% agree that we lack KPD depth but he can barely get on the park.

 

[TENACIOUS]

HTAF is Sam Durdin still on the list. I mean, I 100% agree that we lack KPD depth but he can barely get on the park.

On the rookie list and would be on minimum $$$… still think he gets cut though

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

So as it sits we have 3 Senior list spots and no rookie spots…

Senior: 33 (3 Available Spots)
Draft
Pick 11
Ben Camporeale
Boyd

DFA
Haynes

Trade
Houston

Rookie: 5 (1 Available Spots)
Draft
Lucas Camporeale

If we’re going to take Haynes & Houston we need to trade or delist another 2 Senior list.

Those Mentioned:
Kennedy (Contracted)
Owies
Young (Contracted)
Carroll

Don’t see us being as active as some say or most want in trade week. We just don’t have the list spots…

And supposedly, we've offered Owies a contract and happy for Kennedy and Young to stay.

Sounds like bullshit to me, a few more have to go in order to improve the list.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I'd give 2 firsts and a second to get Butters. He is exactly what we need.

 

[Arr0w]

Can't see Butters leaving, this year

 

[Coona Blues]

HTAF is Sam Durdin still on the list. I mean, I 100% agree that we lack KPD depth but he can barely get on the park.

I suspect his time on the list is tied to Lewis Young. Despite being encouraged to “shop himself” reports suggest LY struggling for suitors. If Young stays, likely Durdin goes.

They have similar output across a season. Both are only playing when others miss. We are reportedly getting Haynes as a tall defensive option. Despite group think on here, I suspect Voss plays Kemp mainly in defence next year pending development of a draftee, unless Haynes can turn back the clock.

Surely we must draft a young KPD this year. There are some great prospects likely at “bargain prices” due to draft depth.

It would probably be preferable to keep Sam Durdin and move Young on to create a main list spot in the overall scheme of things.

Feedback suggests Austin wants to hit the draft, HARD to balance out our list deficiencies. While I can see the benefit of trading a Houston in, I feel we are better served stocking up in the draft, even if our “shopped” players leave. We need the ability to satisfy our developing players when contracts come around. We have too much salary cap committed to too few players already. Surely we are angling for a more balanced list post 2030 odd when most of our stars are in their twilight. We get to that spot by drafting and developing our own.

We have been linked or covet Lindsay, Berry and Dattoli, two of that group upgrade our list along with Ben Campo giving us inside progression, but with the run to contribute outside AND DEFENSIVELY. Brother Lucas is a decent wing or half back prospect with considerable upside, the dream is that he lasts until the rookie draft. For mine, the non negotiable is to draft a KPD prospect in the second or third round, I love WA boy Clancy Dennis who has been linked as being scouted by us, as has Harry O’Farrell who missed much of the season threough injury after being projected as a first round selection early.

My calculations have us needing four or five spots for draftees as well as a pick/spot for Haynes, viewed as a fait accompli and an upgrade for Boyd. Six or seven main list vacancies.

Martin, Marchbank, Cuningham, Owies, Carroll, possibly/probably Kennedy and/or Young, then maybe a couple of options including Fantasia to move to the rookie list (or some possibility of delisting regardless of contract)

There is scope to “fill our holes” in one draft to then clear the way for more creative, best available, recruiting, especially if Kennedy and Owies can bring decent picks (mid/late second to early third rounders)

I am not keen to move a personal favourite Kennedy on, but can see the merit with the need to add speed and precision on the coal face as well as Moir developing and Silvagni and Docherty returning in ‘25. He is not a Voss favourite despite being heart and sole and ready to embrace any role needed. With the water under the bridge, it seems right now, sadly.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Surely we persevere with Young and get his self belief worked on?

It appears a confidence thing?

Certainly has shown he can play well at the highest level...

 

[Coona Blues]

Surely we persevere with Young and get his self belief worked on?

It appears a confidence thing?

Certainly has shown he can play well at the highest level...

Young is a conundrum. Certainly is good enough, just doesn’t have the “mojo”. Has been suggested he doesn’t “love” footy, it is a job. Not one for extras or driven to self improvement. His intercept work was elite as a younger player, now seems to be more a stopper who is very conservative with ball in hand.

A bit of coaching micro-managing may have made him a little pedestrian. If things clicked with confidence or intensity, he would be a best 22 lock. But like the LTI types we have finally dispensed with, how long do you wait?

The other issue is Austin wanting half a dozen or more main list vacancies and he is one in the “expendable” category.

 

[RAPPA]

I suspect his time on the list is tied to Lewis Young. Despite being encouraged to “shop himself” reports suggest LY struggling for suitors. If Young stays, likely Durdin goes.

They have similar output across a season. Both are only playing when others miss. We are reportedly getting Haynes as a tall defensive option. Despite group think on here, I suspect Voss plays Kemp mainly in defence next year pending development of a draftee, unless Haynes can turn back the clock.

Surely we must draft a young KPD this year. There are some great prospects likely at “bargain prices” due to draft depth.

It would probably be preferable to keep Sam Durdin and move Young on to create a main list spot in the overall scheme of things.

Feedback suggests Austin wants to hit the draft, HARD to balance out our list deficiencies. While I can see the benefit of trading a Houston in, I feel we are better served stocking up in the draft, even if our “shopped” players leave. We need the ability to satisfy our developing players when contracts come around. We have too much salary cap committed to too few players already. Surely we are angling for a more balanced list post 2030 odd when most of our stars are in their twilight. We get to that spot by drafting and developing our own.

We have been linked or covet Lindsay, Berry and Dattoli, two of that group upgrade our list along with Ben Campo giving us inside progression, but with the run to contribute outside AND DEFENSIVELY. Brother Lucas is a decent wing or half back prospect with considerable upside, the dream is that he lasts until the rookie draft. For mine, the non negotiable is to draft a KPD prospect in the second or third round, I love WA boy Clancy Dennis who has been linked as being scouted by us, as has Harry O’Farrell who missed much of the season threough injury after being projected as a first round selection early.

My calculations have us needing four or five spots for draftees as well as a pick/spot for Haynes, viewed as a fait accompli and an upgrade for Boyd. Six or seven main list vacancies.

Martin, Marchbank, Cuningham, Owies, Carroll, possibly/probably Kennedy and/or Young, then maybe a couple of options including Fantasia to move to the rookie list (or some possibility of delisting regardless of contract)

There is scope to “fill our holes” in one draft to then clear the way for more creative, best available, recruiting, especially if Kennedy and Owies can bring decent picks (mid/late second to early third rounders)

I am not keen to move a personal favourite Kennedy on, but can see the merit with the need to add speed and precision on the coal face as well as Moir developing and Silvagni and Docherty returning in ‘25. He is not a Voss favourite despite being heart and sole and ready to embrace any role needed. With the water under the bridge, it seems right now, sadly.

I think MK will be a casualty of our very one dimensional midfield, having the likes of Cripps and Hewett also in there.

I just hope that the midfield shake up will bring the point of difference that we need to compete with others.